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Carolken

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:24 pm
Post subject: my yorkie
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I need a little help with the discipline of her she is very hyper and
usually very good natured until someone goes to leave my house, then she
gets real nasty and will bite them and I do not know what to do to correct
this problem. Last night she bit my husband when he was holding her when
my daughter was leaving and he slapped her and she got even nastier so we
dont know what to do. Would appreciate your help.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:13 pm
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HOWEDY Carolken,

"Carolken" <kklein2993.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4f47d124b4af0d206d1094ecb8cc4962@localhost.talkaboutpets.com...
>
> I need a little help

You AIN'T gonna be gettin no advice
from these lying dog abusing punk
thug cowards and active long term
incurable MENTAL CASES you're
askin.

> with the discipline of her

So called disipline is HOWE COME
dogs DO the BAD BEHAVIORS they do.

> she is very hyper

HYPERACTIVE behavior is CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING, usually called DISCIPLINE.

> and usually very good natured until someone
> goes to leave my house,

Dogs attack people on their EXIT on accHOWENT
of the DISCIPLINE they had when their guest was
ENTERING.

> then she gets real nasty

YEAH! That's on accHOWENT of the REPRESSION
when your guest first entered. Your efforts to teach
your dog not to jump on them makes the dog AFRAID.

The entire visit is a FEARFUL situation on
accHOWENT of the dog THINKS he's being
PUNISHED on accHOWENT of the VISITOR,
which IN FACT IS THE CASE, on accHOWENT
of you don't MIND if your dog jumps on close
friends and family members, they can PUNISH
IT themselves... as the dog LEARNED is the
normal human response to his BONDING efforts.

Therefore when YOU punish the dog for
greeting guests, the dog NEVER COMPLETES
his BONDING BEHAVIOR and FEARS the
visitor as a DANGERHOWES PERSON.

The attack on the EXIT is a simple visual / oral
REFLEX to STRESS built up during the visit.

THAT'S GOOD.

THAT MEANS we can EXXXTINGUISH
the dog's REFLEXIVE behaviors NEARLY
INSTANTLY if you STOP DOIN what the
EXXXPERTS TAUGHT YOU TO DO to
CAUSE THIS BEHAVIOR.

> and will bite them

ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.

ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students all over the Whole Wild World
REPORT that they GET 100% TOTAL NON
PHYSICAL CON-TROLL NEARLY INSTANTLY
and EXXXTINGUISH ALL temperament and
behavior problems NEARLY INSTANTLY and
train ALL dogs and ALL handlers for ALL fields
and utilities.

> and I do not know what to do to correct this problem.

You'll have to FORGET EVERY THING the EXXXPERTS
teach and DO THE EXXXACT OPPOSITE AS INSTRUCTED
in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual available
for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com

> Last night she bit my husband

NO PROBLEMO.

Your dog doesn't CARE who he's biting
when they're EXITING the HOWES on
accHOWENT of his behavior is simply
a VISUAL ORAL REFLEX.

SO, there was NO animHOWESITY or HATE,
only FEAR, perhaps caused by ANOTHER
person, which TRAINsferred to him, overstimulated
the dog and triggered the VISUAL ORAL REFLEX.

IOW, the dog doesn't even KNOW he's DONE IT!

The thinking process is ELIMINATED by the
REFLEXIVE thinking at the "primitive" base
of the brain.

> when he was holding her when my daughter was leaving

O.K., that was a common occurence. That's
what they call misplaced aggression. It's
CAUSED by the dog's FEAR increasing to
the point of "Fight Or Flight". The dog bit
your husband to RELEASE HIM so he can
PROTECT HIM from the FEARSOME VISITOR.

> and he slapped her

And THAT CONfHOWENDED the dog even MOORE.
It TOLD the dog your husband is VERY AFRAID of
this intimidating visitor or HE'D THUMP HER INSTEAD!

IN FACT, the dog BLAMES the DISCIPLINE on the
VISITOR, which will likeWIZE make the NEXT visitor
EVEN MOORE FEARSOME.

> and she got even nastier

NO. She got MOORE AFRAID and MOORE DEFENSIVE.

She was TRYING to PROTECT your husband and you.
She was FIGHTING HIM to RELEASE HER so she could
DEFEND HIM.

> so we dont know what to do.

THAT'S EZ!

ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS PRAISE HER.

And she'll RELAXXX and TRUST your visitor.

> Would appreciate your help.

You AIN'T gonna be gettin NO advice from
these lying dog abusing punk thug cowards
and active long term incurable MENTAL CASES.

IN FACT, if you get involved DISS-CUSSIN
your dog's behavior with HOWER Gang Of
Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and
ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL
CASES you'll have WASTED MOORE TIME
than it will TAKE for you to STUDY your FREE
copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
and TRAIN YOUR DOG NEARLY INSTANTLY.

LIKE THIS:

HOWEDY Brandy,

"Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur....RemoveThis@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
news:2f66e35d.0407302331.1f18b8c6@posting.google.com...
> KraftyKur....RemoveThis@wmconnect.com (Brandy Kurtz) wrote in message
<news:2f66e35d.0407262049.7b3a7b51@posting.google.com>...

> Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy
> Wizard info, so I haven't actually started
> to train yet.

> Today a salesman knocked on the door,
> and Pokey was going balisstic. I calmly
> go to the window to see who it is, and
> off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,
> Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me
> a quizical look, and came and sat beside
> my feet!

> OMG, I could not believe it!

> I was totally floored, as this has been his
> behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
> and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)

Well THAT IS encouraging, AIN'T IT.

> Brandy

It's customary here abHOWETS to put
NINNYBOY [NINNYBOY] Jerry JERRY
[JERRY] The Puppy Wizard The Amazing
Puppy Wizard in the subject header to
AVOID EMBARRASSMENT.

"Speech is a mirror of the soul: as a man speaks, so is he."
Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073

"We are what we do."

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

>Paul B wrote:
>> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
>> I haven't read any other advice that says to
>> praise immediately regardless of what the dog
>> does next (the common advice is to praise once
>> the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least
>> stopped the unwanted behaviour), this is unique
>> to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own
>> experiences is an important part of the process.

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

--Marshall

=================

"Marshall Dermer" <der....RemoveThis@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.

> Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising
> a dog for barking, but he appears to recognize
> that this may not work and so distraction
> is recommended as a back up procedure:

"Estel J. Hines" <ejhi....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>>> Until i read the Jerry method of Bark
>>> reduction, it went something like this
>>> with our 11 month old puppy "Yoshi"

>>> Yoshi: Bark, bark,

>>> us: HUSH Youshi

>>> Yoshi Bark, bark......................

>>> us: Hush Youshi

>>> Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, ................................. >
>>> it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking

>>> We decided to try the Jerry method

>>> :Yoshi: BARK, BARK

>>> US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?

>>> Yoshi Bark, Bark

>>> US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them.

>>> Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.

>>> I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
>>> can praise him, to deal with things like this.

>>> Thanks Jerry

>>> ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
>>> Papers, and learn how to live with our son

>>> "Yoshi", whom we love very much. --
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Estel J. Hines

==============

"Dan Moore" <mooret....RemoveThis@worldnet.att.net>
wrote in message
news:fS2Lc.114567$OB3.42357@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.
Tracy,
What worked for me, in just one storm,
was to praise the dog after each clap
of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!

This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.

The next time it thundered, he did not even
react at all--you could not tell it was the same
dog as before.

There was more thunder just the other day,
and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no
cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at all,
it was that simple.

I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.

Wonderfully.

Praise.

It's that simple.

Juanita

> There really is NOTHING new about the advice above!

Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

Here's MOORE SCIENCE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

"Leprechaun" <Leprechaun.RemoveThis@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:m01Hc.20882$uK.16329@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>
>Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.

Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that
had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
even recognize or respond to its name to
Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
get real) and in just over one hour of working
with the dog, he was coming on command
(not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
walking with us on a loose lead.

His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
command and pack exercise WORK!

> and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.

Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.

You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
am concerned, I've never seen any other
training approach that was as fast and easy.

<<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>

Ron Flanagan
Orlando, Florida

-----------------------

"Zack Pellers" <ZackPellers.RemoveThis@GUESSWHERE.cc>
wrote in message
dlinge1.RemoveThis@towson.edu (Derek) wrote in news:
697700b8.0405202039.5c7374b9.RemoveThis@posting.google.com:

Your dog needs to be retrained. Contact Mr. Jerry Howe.

Http://www.DoggyDoRight.com

You can start by downloading the free training
manual available on the site above. I used it on
my 4 year old Fila Brasileiro.

When I first brought him home from rescue, he
was similar to the way you decribed your dog.
After using Mr. Howe's training method, the dog
was cured within 72 hours.

-Jack

"Ned" <komod....RemoveThis@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:fQIg9.25850$561.25365@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Hi !
Our black lab girl is 3 months old (she
will be 4 months on the 30th).

When we first brought her home she had
a bad habit of trying to nip our faces (including
my 3 year old twins) during playtime. It drove
everyone in the house nuts and it brought my
little girls to tears as you can imagine.

We tried saying no, and that would just get
her even more excited, so we would yell no
and that would just get her "scared" but still
excited. In short it just wasn't working.

So we finally did what Jerry has suggested
to you. We used a sound do distract her and
we would immediately praise her.

I have to say that it worked great. BUT she
then moved on to nipping at the feet LOL silly
little thing.

So again, we tried no, and then louder no,
but again it didn't work so we went for the
distraction and praise.

I must say that she is doing great!

I hope that helps.
Edyta aka Ned

===================

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM

Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.

I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.

Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.

I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.

I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.

A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.

We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.

So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.

His method worked for us.

I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.

Florence

------------------------------------

----- Original Message -----
From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Off to a good start!

Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
your manual and have started working with
the dogs...

"Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
"The Destroyer") has already shown
great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)

She responds even better than our other
(better-behaved) dog "Poe".

We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
not a thing was touched when we got back!

We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
that interested in toys and was still very uptight
about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
seemed to work.

We both work all day today so we'll see
how that goes... Regardless, we will be
cool as cukes when we get home! ;)

I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
to get through to her! We're very excited about
her progress thus far...

Thank You!

Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!

__________________________________

professor SCRUFF SHAKE CONtinues:

> Sound distraction may be understood in
> terms of the more general behavior analytic
> approach as follows.
>
> The distracting stimulus

Like a SCRUFF SHAKE, professor?

>evokes a behavior that is incompatible with barking.

You mean like SCREAMING "NO!" into ITS face
for 5 seconds?

> The dog engages in some other behavior

NO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

THAT AIN'T HOWE IT WORKS.

> and then is reinforced (if praise functions as a reinforcer).

NO, professor. You don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD.

> --Marshal

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST
In article <HRI27.3908$187.184...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
<d....RemoveThis@try.it> writes:

> Hi Lynn,

> I used to have a barking problem with my
> German Shepherd Dog a couple of years ago.
> I tried several things recommended to me by
> different trainers, and nothing was working.

> When I read that section of Jerry's Manual,
> I thought the same way you did.

> "What???? PRAISE her for barking?" It sounded
> counterproductive, but I had tried everything else
> I'd heard so I thought I'd try it too.

> Next time she went nuts at a person walking by
> outside, I told her, "Good job! Good girl! You are
> such a good protector!" And instead of continuing
> the barking, she came to me for a belly rub! She
> will still bark (she's a guard dog, that's her job),
> but after one bark, she knows she's done her job
> to warn me by my praise, and she stops.
> Jenn,

Could you be so kind as to post here the
section from Jerry's manual where he
writes that you should JUST praise the
dog when it barks?????????

As I recall, I thought he first advocates
distracting the dog from barking, with
keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
can, before praising.

Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
Jerry's system.

Thanks in advance!

--Marshall Dermer

P.S: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
forward to your post.

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
Date: 2001-06-21 20:25:38 PST
In article <iqtY6.5456$rA2.1119...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
<d....RemoveThis@try.it> writes:
> Hi, DogStar716, sorry you feel this way about
> me. I hope I can change your mind in the future,
> as I love reading your posts, and value (and
> have used) some of your advice.

BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!

> As for my post to Jer, I am just attempting
> to get a plain answer about something instead
> of a trash- fest. I just want to know if it can be
> done.

> Jenn Standring

I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.

You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
is not the purpose of teaspoon!

--Marshall

----- Original Message -----

From: "Jeff & Di"
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: help, with the At Wits End training manual

HOWEDY Diana,

> Hi Jerry,

> Thanks very much for the prompt reply.
> I'm just writing to let you know that I've
> had some wonderful progress with Molly.

Of curse!

> I took her up to the school in the car when
> I was picking up my daughter. My husband
> went to get our daughter while I stayed in
> the car with Molly. It was a quick trip so I
> wasn't expecting any car sickness, but I
> thought it would be a great opportunity to
> work on her fear of people approaching the
> car.

> When we pulled up, there were already a lot
> of people and kids milling around, and as I
> haven't explained the AWETM to my husband
> of course he was yelling at Molly to shut up
> and sit down.

That'll increase anxiHOWESNESS.

> As you can imagine this didn't help.

> Once he was gone I simply told Molly she
> was good, she growled a few times at people
> and I said "thanks Molly I see them too, they're
> ok" then I asked her to find her ball which was
> in the back.

I wouldn't recommend offering a physical
distraction for two reasons. 1) she's likely
to become dependent on putting something
in her MHOWETH when she's stressed and
2) it may disavail you of successive training
opportunities necessary to extinguish the behavior.

> She loves her ball so was keen to do that and
> didn't notice what was by now a big crowd of
> parents and kids passing the car.

See, we really do want her to notice, so
we can briefly and variably distract and
praise to extinguish the behavior.

> I kept up with the "good girl" and "where's
> your ball" soon she was sitting watching
> the people walk past and offering them
> her ball to throw, not that they noticed her.

Well, it worked well for you this time. Don't
use the ball again the next time, just follow
the praise techniques.

> But it was lovely to see her so relaxed.

INDEEDY. That's the bottom line for successful
nearly instant training. That's why bribing and
withholding bribes fails, cause anxiety increases
as we withhold the reward to elicit the behavior.

> Just to add, I was sitting in the front and she
> was in the back of the wagon, so this was all
> verbal praise and distraction with no touching
> or patting.

Right. Physical contact distracts the dog from
thinking and processing the information.

> Jerry it is so hard not to yell at the dog when
> you are frustrated and want it to behave immediately,

Yeah. It only takes a few minutes to appupriately
extinguish any behavior, but you've got to know HOWE.

> but as you have said it really gets you nowhere in the long run.

"Reinforcement NEVER ends."

That's HOWE COME when we train dogs using
non physical methods the behavior is not dependent
on HOWER ability to reinforce manage supervise
bribe and avoid... IOW, we've HOWEtwitted the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog by tempting
the dog to do the undesirable behavior and distracting
and praising before the thought is fulfilled till
it's no longer thought of as a useful behavior.

> I would never of had these great results
> with Molly without your help, as we really
> were stuck in the "yelling at the dog" rut.

Just wait till you apply my methods to your kids.
My methods have rehabilitated severe hyperactive
kids as fast and permanent as the dogs I've heelped.

> I have to work on getting my husband to read
> your manual now, by the way an At Wits End
> Husband Training Manual would be helpful too,
> haha.

Not a chance in heel. If Mrs. Puppy Wizard
discovered it I'd be wearin an apron and workin
insetead of settin right here, stark ravin nekkid,
wearin nuthin but these gawd awful paper slippers.

> Thankyou so much for providing this info for free.

My pleasure. Consider it my vindictive nature...

> I was looking at dog training books in the shops

> today and they are so expensive !! (around $30
> to $40 in Australia) Not that I need them now, but
> I like to browse the dog and pet sections from
> time to time.

Makes The Amazing Puppy Wizard grind HIS teeth...

> You might like think about publishing a book
> one day, I think it would be received very well
> by the general public and reach those without
> internet access.

I probably should do sumpthin. The dog lovers
on the news groups ain't interested in training
their dogs, they seem to enjoy discussing behavior
problems and the training tools they used to cause
them.

> I was going to copy my last letter onto the news
> groups but see that you have already done so.

Yeah, but a lot of folks don't like to read my posts
cause HOWER dog lovers like to tell foks they're
forgeries.

> Feel free to quote this letter too if it helps.

Thank you, but I really wish you'll repost them
cause it'll be more believable coming from you.

These folks think it should take weeks and
months to rehabiliatate behavior problems.
They think they're successful if they've
rehabilitated an aggresson problem after a
year or longer working at it.

> It's unfortunate that the newsgroups are cluttered
> with rubbish, as It would be nice to discuss dogs
>from time to time with other dog lovers.

That ain't gonna happen cause decent folks
don't post there. Every WON is interested
in saving dogs lives by hurting them as a last
resort when forcing avoiding and bribing didn't work.

> cheers,

LikeWIZE.

> Dianna

Yours, Jerry.

HOWEDY Brandy,

"Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur....RemoveThis@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
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> KraftyKur....RemoveThis@wmconnect.com (Brandy Kurtz) wrote in message
<news:2f66e35d.0407262049.7b3a7b51@posting.google.com>...

> Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy
> Wizard info, so I haven't actually started
> to train yet.

> Today a salesman knocked on the door,
> and Pokey was going balisstic. I calmly
> go to the window to see who it is, and
> off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,
> Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me
> a quizical look, and came and sat beside
> my feet!

> OMG, I could not believe it!

> I was totally floored, as this has been his
> behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
> and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)

Well THAT IS encouraging, AIN'T IT.

> Brandy

It's customary here abHOWETS to put
NINNYBOY [NINNYBOY] Jerry JERRY
[JERRY] The Puppy Wizard The Amazing
Puppy Wizard in the subject header to
AVOID EMBARRASSMENT.


"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's
And All Dogs,
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

You can TRAIN ANY DOG KAT or CHILD in a few minutes
to NATURALLY WANT to do ANY THING you ask if you DON'T
follow the ADVICE of the lying dog kat and child abusing
MENTAL CASES you're askin for HEELP.

You GET The Critter You TRAINED

A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.


ANAL-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral
function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy
by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency
of the biting decreases then you will have achieved
too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has
decreased; and two, you have established "No"
as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use
"Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS
works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

And The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you're a liar and a dog abuser and
a coward and a MENTAL CASE.

Here's HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches
HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students to train their critters NEARLY
INSTANTLY.

You GET The Critter You TRAINED

A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value."

Like a confessor Priest?

"With him,
words play no torturing tricks.........., "
--John Galsworthy.

Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
Their behaviors reflect
HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
can be judged
by the way its animals are treated."
~ Mohandas Gandhi -- Adapted with permission from
his FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method manual. <} ; ~ ) >

There are NO grey areas between RIGHT and WRONG.

"Only the unenlightened speak of
wisdom and right action
as separate,
not the wise.

If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.

The level which is reached by wisdom
is attained
through right action as well.

He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."

"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

What is the use of compulsion then?

The love and hate which are aroused
by the objects of sense
arise from Nature,
do not yield to them.
They only obstruct the path." -

- Bhagavad Gita, adapted by
Krishna with permission from
His FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual <{) ; ~ ) >

Force training JERRYIZES dogs and GETS THEM DEAD.

"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.

What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George

"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from
the few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall

The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME is the perfect
synergy of love, pride, desire, self will, greed,
ego, fear, hate, arrogance, disbelief, jealousy,
embarrassment, embellishment, shame, guilt,
anger, aversion, attraction, revulsion, change,
permanence, enlightenment, insult, attrition,
and conditioning.

It's the perfect fusion of The Word...,
in the physical.

It's time for the dog training industry and
the universities who TEACH "behaiviorists"
to DEFEND THEIR METHODS against 100%
NEAR INSTANT TOTAL SUCCESS as PROVEN
by the cHOWENTLESS NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Student's REPORTS,
after they've TRIED ALL OTHER METHODS
and FAILED.

"The greatness of a nation and its moral
progress can be judged by the way its
animals are treated." ~ Mohandas Gandhi --
Adapted with permission from his FREE
copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual. <}TPW ; ~ ) >

Force training JERRYIZES dogs
and GETS THEM DEAD.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marshall Dermer"
> <der....RemoveThis@csd.uwm.edu>
> To: "The Puppy Wizard"
> <ThePuppyWiz....RemoveThis@earthlink.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
> Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
>
> Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

> I have, of late, come to recognize your
> genius and now must applaud your attempts
> to save animals from painful training
> procedures.

> You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional
> talent, who tirelessly devotes his days to
> crafting posts to alert the world to animal
> abuse.

> We are lucky to have you, and more people
> should come to their senses and support
> your valuable work.

> Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
> charity to fund your important work?

> Have you thought about holding a press
> conference so others can learn of your
> highly worthwhile and significant work?

> In closing, my only suggestion is that you
> try to keep your messages short for most
> readers may refuse to read a long message
> even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
>
> I wish you well in your endeavors.
>
> --Marshall Dermer
> Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/
> Behavior Analysis Specialty/Department
> of Psychology/University of Wisconsin-
> Milwaukee/Milwaukee,WI 53201
> der....RemoveThis@uwm.edu
> http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
> --------------------------------------

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >

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"Carolken" <kklein2993 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> I need a little help with the discipline of her

"As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no
treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care."
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

----- Original Message -----
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drvonh RemoveThis @mindspring.com
To: <dm RemoveThis @arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals,
especially animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no
treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)

The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training
for years. I have a huge library that covers
every system of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End
Training Method is by far the most scientific,
the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest
and the most effective training method yet
discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and
tricks; it is a logically consistent system.
Every behavior problem and every obedience
skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please
endeavor to understand the basis of his system
and please follow his directions exactly. His
manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with
theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur
and how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his
methods based upon what you personally like or
dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete
and integrated system for not only training a dog
but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system
creates for you the dog of your dreams, his
response was that it produces for your dog the
owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are
gentle with your dog then he will be gentle
with you, if you praise your dog every time he
looks at you, then you will become the center
of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train
your dog to not misbehave (even in your
absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train
my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me
clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound
distraction / praise / alteration / variation)
it takes just minutes to train you dog to
respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week
old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little
legs would carry him in response to my recall
command-and he comes running every time I call
no matter where we are or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains
upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold
exercises and his Family Pack Leadership
exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog,
if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if
you hurt him, if you force him then his natural
response is to oppose you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he
is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a
person's ideas based upon their personality. As
far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart
upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he
hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
or hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not
effective and that it will certainly lead to
behavior problems; sometime problems so severe
that people put their dogs down because of those
problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to
control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too.
We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In
scientific literature it is referred to
allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind
to force; they respond in like kind to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your
praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's
anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior
problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as
you would the law of gravity and you will have
astounding success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a
sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely
get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
--Larry

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
<drv... RemoveThis @mindspring.com>

To: <pdd-aspy... RemoveThis @yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?

How does diagnosis shape treatment?

Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who
publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a
master at behavioral modification of dogs.

His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student,
the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O).

Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for
you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away
from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him
TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully,
over again.

Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training
is immoral. I've watched him in one short session calm
impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to
sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior.

Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to
hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive
dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that
a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love.

You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's "Cumulative
Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The
Misbehavior of Organisms".

Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the
trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's
developmental history, and the environmental niche of
the animal being trained.

Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book.
Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.

<snip>

Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual
history, and the nature of he disorder.

Dr. Von

PS if you are interested in dogs, then take a look at
Jerry's work, ThePuppyWiz... RemoveThis @EarthLink.Net


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"ziggy" <yggiz RemoveThis @gmx.net> wrote in message
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> "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2 RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> > HOWEDY People,

> Well, thanks for taking the time to reply as you
> kindly did. Yeah, ok, I think I got to hand it to you
> lol So it's back to the manual for a while and I'll
> let you know how we get on! I'm still eating my
> humble pie so excuse crumbs ~;0)

> I really didn't think the rewarding bad behaviour
> had a chance in hell but you have proved me wrong......

> He was blanking me like crazy the
> other day, I lost my rag (Got the flu so on a short
> leash myself lol) Gave it a 'Good boy, yeah you
> really are!' and he did what I'd been asking him to
> do for 5 mins straight away lol Doh!! Tickles me now
> when he's up to no good and I say Good Boy, he turns
> straight back to my sweety and he doesn't even know
> it! It's applied physchology all the way with Dobies
> in particular and I know it's often better to turn a
> blind eye rather than confront at that particular
> time, I've always distracted rather than corrected
> at this young age but I'm going your way!!

> Thanks all
> ziggy
> This humble pie tastes nice actually ~;0)
> ziggy

INTRO TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING MANUAL
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D. F.R.S.H.

Several years ago one of my old students telephoned
to me and asked me what I knew about Doggie Do
Right, a device to cause your neighbor's dog to stop
barking.

I had not heard of the device, nor its inventor, Jerry
Howe, but I telephoned, read his website, and told
my graduate that I thought the device was worth a
trial - indeed I shut up the dogs in my neighborhood
by turning on Jerry's supersonic device.

After all we all know that dogs respond to whistles
humans cannot hear, so why not respond to "attaboy"
sounds which humans cannot hear.

My student lived far from my Florida homestead, so
he tried it on the three incredibly savage, hyperactive
and noisy dogs who lived behind a tall fence just 3 feet
back of his bedroom.

Hot rats! The device worked,

Andy got his sleep and I didn't think much of the
matter again.

A few months ago I had new neighbors on each
side of my house, four of them, all with noisy
unshuttupable dogs. Argh!

So I foned Andrew in Virgina, received the intelligence
that his neighbors dogs were still quiet, and then I foned
Jerry Howe, the inventor of Doggie Do Right, who came
to visit me.

Merlin walked into my office.

Jerry is a slender fellow with a belly button lenghth grey
beard tapering down his chest. I liked him immediately,
and I applied his instrument to the neighborhood again
which again became silent.

It occured to me that if this ultrasonic field worked with
dogs that we ought at least to ask the question, what
happens to humans in range of the device???

I asked Jerry to give me a list of customers and began
inquiring among them. One thing became immediately
evident. The Doggie Do Right not only shuts up your
neighbors' dogs, it calms and modifies your husband's behavior.

Holey Moley, Captain Marvel, this device has major potential.

In the meantime Jerry gave me a copy of his Wits End
Dog Training Manual. I was delighted. He also introduced
me to the world of professional dog trainers some of whom
even have Ph.D.s in psychology.

This was not such a delight as it appeared that none
of these luminaries had actually read Skinner, Lazarus
or other fountains of wisdom in psychology. Indeed, it
seemed as though they knew very little about the laws
of behavior at all!

Punishment and confrontation seemed to be their
major stock in trade.

Well, if you go to my website, www.drbiofeedback.com
you can read of the career of Sam Corson, I.P. Pavlov's
last student.

Sam demonstrated that rehabilitation of hyperactive
dogs can easily and readily be done using TLC, tender
loving care is at the root of the scientific management
of doggies.

Pavlov told us so 100 years ago.

So what are these degreed morons doing punishing
dogs, and shouting "NO" into their doggie faces? If
you pick up B.F.Skinner's last book, CUMULATIVE
RECORD, included in it is an essay by Keller Breland
and Maryann Breland entitled THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS.

Skinner deliberately included his students' chapter
to emphasize that you cannot manage the behavior
of animals unless you take into consideration 1. the
animal's evolutionary niche (who is the animal?);
2. the animal's personal history (who is the animal?)
and 3, the instinctive repetoire of the animal (who is
the animal?) and 4. the personality of the animal (who
is the animal?).

The Brelands moved far from the white rat. "Thirty-eight
species, totaling over 6,000 individual animals, have been
conditioned, and we have dared to tackle such unlikely
subjects as reindeer, cockatoos, raccoons, porpoises,
and whales. "

Jerry Howe spends most of his times with dogs, but
he has learned Pavlov's lesson well. Dogs are individuals,
they are individual DOGS, and they respond most directly
and immediately to love and tender loving care.

Read with pleasure, and then go love your dog.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
Who's Who Honoree since 1983



"Amanda@DCFWatch.com" wrote inmessage
> ..
> > > This makes me wonder. If the dog taught himself
> > > to get the kid off of it by biting, why can't
> > > you teach it another method. When my dog nipped
> > > to protect my kids, i taught her with
> > > distraction and praise.
> >
> > What did you teach her to do instead of nipping?
>
> First we used distraction and praise to teach her
> biting is not ok. 2 weeks ago we had to seperate
> her from the puppy in order to feed them.
>
> She would run over, bite him then take his food.
> If he licked the carpet where juice was spilled he
> got bitten. just examples. Then during meals, when
> she moved toward him we (me, my husband, jerry
> and his wife) used sound distraction and praise.

> We trained her to stay away from him. Then we
> let them get close, when she looked like she was
> thinking of biting (snap) good girl! good dog... and
> she would let him close. since he advanced to
> eating her food she began laying down and allowing
> him tot ake over. so we taught her to find his food
> and eat his.

> Just doing this has taught her to share. If he's too
> roudy and the kids aren't inviting.. she will find
> her rope and give it to him. if he takes her kong,
> she does and finds his and either gets him
> to take his own king or simply lets him have his.
> we did this by feeding her as much as she wanted,
> giving her plenty of toys. we taught her there is
> always more.. we broke that instinct of self
> preservation. now they share from the same
> bowl. not even a growl.
>
> then when she growled because my friends kid went
> near her while she was nursing, we put her on lead
> just long enough to come 1 foot from the kid. just
> in case. we put the kid on the floor in her mum's
> lap with the puppy and used distraction and praise
> if she seemed upset. then when she went near the kid
> in a fashion like she was going to protect
> something.. the kids, their food what have you.. we
> used praise and distraction. then it progressed to
> the other day.. the kid was smacking kelly in the
> face. pummeling beyond all belief she has taken
> from my own kids.. like if the 23 lb 19 month old
> goes to stand on her, kelly will brace herself and
> hold still so the baby doesn't fall off. when the
> baby stands on her we distract the baby and praise
> kelly for waiting. so anyway.. she's being smacked
> in the face by the same kid who likes to try and dig
> eyeballs out. kelly snarled her lip.. no sound..
> just showed her teeth... sound and praise! and she
> broke her thought and came over to me. when the
> puppy was biting her so hard she cried (pits
> dont cry easily) we used sound and praise when she
> went to defend herself. then we would go to him and
> distract him off. in less than a week she learned
> to either a. drag him to me or my husband still
> attached and shaking her ear/neck/leg or b. distract
> him herself.

> she sees us use distraction and gentle
> measures and she does them too. when he's trying to
> dig a hole she engages him in play. when the
> kid is going somewhere she shouldn't.. kelly will
> run over to her.. and seperate the kid from say the
> kitchen and guide her in another direction. when
> the puppy is biting something he shouldn't.. she
> finds a kong and offers him the appropriate chewing
> method.
>
> Dogs are smart. She only knew to nip or growl or
> bite. We taught her gentle ways and she learned
> them. Dogs don't want to bite kids or puppies or
> people.. but they want results. if they know the
> food will never run out.. why should they bite over
> food? if they know someone else will distract a
> biting pup why would she bite him? all she has to
> do is find me and i will do it... why does she need
> to nip the lil kid again? she knows i will stop the
> kid from hurting her. yes it still requires alot of
> supervision, because this kid does in fact hurt her
> alot and she is not part of our pack. but that is
> part of my responsibility as well. Jerry calls it
> allomimetic behaviour.. i think its plain logic. the
> dog won't bite if it knows a whimper or cry
> will attract help. but if no one else is in
> control... as we were not two weeks ago.. the dog
> will take matters into its own hands.
>
> And for Donna who asked how safe setting up an
> incident is?
>
> it is very safe. If you know the dog will bite the
> kid if it goes near its food.. you put the dog on
> lead and have someone hold the lead securely. MAKE
> SURE the lead will not reach say.. 1.5 feet away
> from the food dish. then let the kid go near the
> food. the dog couldn't reach if it tried,
> and if it did you are right there to priase
> distract. It is much more difficult in the OP's
> situation since the kid is close enough to bite.
> i'll let jerry elaborate on that. and i wouldn't try
> that without his advice. but if you know
> your dog likes to lunge through the front door at
> the mailman.. put the dog on lead and open the door
> and use praise/distraction.. the dog won't go
> anywhere, but you can set it up to stop the thought.

> it's really a common sense thing.

> i knew i needed to set up a situation and knew i
> couldn't risk a bite.. so i used a freaking leash that
> wasn't long enough to reach the lil kid. voila. by the
> time the dog realized it wanted to do something
> bad.. it forgot it was on lead... and you
> distract/praise and break the behaviour before the
> dog is mid lunge at the end of the leash.
>
> Amanda
> Whose vicious, aggressive, hopeless pit bull who
> should be watched carefully walked by a barking dog
> who was off lead as it growled at me and heeled
> immediately to "protect" but never used more than 1
> foot of the lead and didn't bark or growl back.

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Discipline - The "NO!" Command - HOWE Dogs And
Children Learn To Tell You "NO!" And HOWE COME
They RUN HOWET On You

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amanda [mailto:amanda@dcfwatch.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Discipline
>
> On Tuesday 14 January 2003 20:47, T__ wrote:
>
> funny you bring this up... i met the most wonderful
> couple.. man and wife.. he's a dog trainer.. all his life
> who uses a technique that is ONLY praise and distraction
> with some family pack exercises.
>
>They spent the day with us sunday helping me on my
> two pits... one is a protective/aggressive 20 month old
> female who is my bubby :) and our 7 week male pup.
> anyway.. not only did i nip any and all aggression issues
> in mere minutes...he and his wife helped me with my kids.
>
> I was and always have been a spanker.
>
> It is all i knew how.. i never, ever wanted to be..
> but i was. my house/kids were out of control..
> i was always stressed.
>
> Since he and his wife came down sunday we've
> had a HUGE change... for the first time the kids
> didn't destroy my house before i woke up... my
> 3yo was in my bed coloring waiting for us to wake
> up... this is the first time she ever used paper
> :) she usually does walls, furniture.
>
> Anyway.. he told me to use sound/praise.. and it works.
>
> I have a 6 yo, 3.5 yo who is psycho child :) and a very
> bad-a$$ 19 month old. They are all smarter than I am and
> know it :) There has not been a temper tantrum in two
> days in my house.
>
> You guys have no idea how great this is.
>
> But best of all.. this method does NOT use the evil eye
> or a tone of that is in any way short of absolute praise..
> no shouting.. not even a quiet Chloe!.. nada.. ONLY
> praise.
>
> They even taught my kids not to take candy unless
> i say so.. (my oldest will literally let you pierce her
> ears for candy..
>
> it's been done twice and i keep taking em out) and
> now the bag of blow pops i forget on the floor in my
> closet (where we keep the girl's dressed) is still there
> and NO ONE has eaten one! My 3 yo is even helping
> me pick up the house.. the baby took my lingerie chest
> apart.. and she cleaned it up! first time!
>
> They don't even go out the open door without my
> offering it! they helped me sort laundry.. clean the
> living room... im amazed. The 3 yo got some yogurt
> from the fridge andwalked to our kitchen table, sat
> down and ate it.. she REFUSES to sit at the table
> and eat!
>
> We also taught them and the dogs to sit pretty so
> when they're climbing on my couch.. i go Can you
> show me how you sit pretty?? and they ALL hop
> down and show me to sit pretty with their feet NOT
> on the cofee table.. hands friggin folded.. i almost
> fell over..
>
> thanks for reminding me to share my joy!
>
> I'm not a spanker! I don't even yell! lol!
>
> here i picked names that shout well and i don't need em!!!
>
> > how old is your bub amanda? waht's the bub doing?/
/,
> > Hello again ladies,
> > Amanda, I love your signature. I also do not spank my
> > daughter, however, she is at an age where she really is
> > asserting her independence.
>
> > Can anyone help with ideas of what I can do? Blessings,
> > T.

Subject: Re Discipline. Also, SLEEP!
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:38:46 -0500
From: Amanda <amanda RemoveThis @dcfwatch.com>

> Can you go into this a little more? How did they
> accomplish all this in one day?

My learning is progressive. I email or call him with
questions. But, i'm getting most of it myself. Something
clicked.

How would we do it with our families?

that is kind of broad.. ask me specifics... or i'd still be
typing when your kids are in college ;)

> I really have problems controlling my temper when I am
> already stressed out and then C__ is hurting me:

Me too.. i was abused... my mom was psycho... and i had
problems with anger.. i took it personally when my 6 yr old
wouldn't clean her room... i would sometimes cry is was so
strung out.. i didn't wanna spank but i didn't know what to do
instead.. so i spanked.. and then spanking didn't work.. and
then my dogs went nuts and i called this trainer and he showed
me how to do it.

pulling my hair, scratching me, slapping me, etc.

Mine hit me on purpose alot.. scratching.. climbing on me..
hurting me and then laughing.

Now as I post.. please don't think im trying to be a know it
all.. i simply wanna relay what i have learned... as it is
i've only been spank free for a week now and yell free for two
days (my neighbors two streets over are happy :)

Children, dogs, people.. they do thinks wrong because it
ellicits your ultimate attention. Does your 3 year old enjoy
fingerpainting on walls? no... do they enjoy fighting the minute
you pick up the phone?? No.

They *know* they can command your attention.. and that's
what they
want. same reason your dogs fight.. they think it is
controlling you.

Your kids want you watching their every move.. making sure
they eat.. dont talk to strangers.. because it means you are
watching THEM and not them watching you as it should be. they
should stay within x feet of you.. because they like mom and
she's cool and she keeps em safe... they shouldn't run and
expect you to chase them.. because you won't always be there
to chase them... that's how kids die or get lost.

When they learn to follow you.. it's all good.

Now, take my 19 mo old. She had this habit of sipping 4 oz
from her bottle and demanding more. if i didn't refill it..
she threw a hgue fit. Now she hands me her bottle and says
more.. and i tickle her... then i pick up her bottle and
pretend im drinking it.. i offer her a drink and snatch it
back saying MY Baba!! She wants that bottle.. so she takes it
and drinks it.. even tho i didn't refill it. we had a huge
problem with them taking things they cant have and when i
wanted it they ran... now i give the baby (19mo) my finger..
and she grabs it.. and i wiggle and shout My finger! that's
mine! Gimme it back.. playfully.. and she resists.. and i go
"Ooh.. can i have it please?" and she gives it to me and i
gleefully say Thank you! and she says you're welcome.. and i
give her the finger back... then i hand her say a lighter...
and we wrestle for a minute.. and i say... can i have that???
and she gives it over etc. Of course sometimes she'll have a
cool! book! and ill ask can i have that.. and shell say No.
and i say that's ok! and tickle her or snap my fingers and
say good girl naya.. good job.. then ill start my game again
and wrestle and try to take it gently... then.. can i have
that??? she gives it over. this works with everything now.

> Or when he's ripping up my homework or something like
> that.

Yea... with the dog training you hide nothing.. no forced
control. you set the dog up for fail.. so you can distract
and praise and erase the thought.. same with the kids. Put
some unimportant paper all over.. when he goes to touch it..
make a sound and distract him.. then good boy, that's a nice
baby!... then repeat.. the minute he goes for the paper and
breaks the thgouth you throw him in the air and praise like
mad!

> How would I apply this in those situations? Also, what do
> you do in 'danger' situations (until you're close enough
> to distract them) - climbing on things, sticking metal
> objects into electrical outlets, trying to get into the
> oven, etc.?

Use your judgement.. if you have the distance/time to
distract... do it.. if you don't... pick them up and away..
but act like it's to throw em in the air.. so they don't know
youre forcing control by phsycially removing them... cuz when
you force control.. with the come command when you want your
dog away from something... or when you pull a dirty shoe from
your baby's mouth.. you put value on it.

Like when your kid puts a penny in its mouth.. youll try to
pry its mouth open to get it... and he'll clamp right down..
you gave that penny VALUE! it's not just a piece of crap..
mom WANTS IT!

so.. instead you make a game.. say you want em to smit it
out... walk somewhere else... attract their attention.. be
kinda sneaky... odds are the thing in their mought will get
annoying and they'll spit it out when they walk toward you...
if all else fails.. pry it outta their smiling jaws... snatch
em up away from falling down... but only when you have to..
then work realy hard to overcome that forced control.

Also don't make a big deal about it.. or else theyll learn not
only to command your attention, but also mom will always catch
me so she is watching me.. not me watching her.

> I never realized how spirited C__ was until I started
> tending other kids.

those are my kids. I have had social workers with their
degrees in child development stop offering me services cuz
they couldn't handle my kids... my friends call mine the
obstinate kids.

> They're docile kittens compared to C__! This brings up
> another question - what do you do when YOUR child is the
> bully?

if you catch it before it happens.. loud sound.. big
distraction and PRAISE. if you catch it afterward... distract
and say oh my goodness! and pay attention to the other kid...
he wont get the attention... then explain how that hurts.
odds are your kid won't hurt another kid if he truly
understands its not nice.

> C__ is always beating the other boy over the head when he
> comes over.
> We don't hit in anger in our family

i have.. everyone does in my family... i did it a few times
over 4 years... but that is because i didn't know how not to.
i know now.. and i wanna tell everyone i can.. so someone else
doesn't spank their kids due to a lack of knowledge.

> (we do it playfully sometimes, so we are curtailing that
> in case it is giving him ideas)

my kids, 6yo, 3yo and 19 month old, favorite game is chasing
around the house (all 4 of us) with wooden spools yelling at
the top of our lungs "I'm gonna beat your a$$.. HA HA HA... no
IM gonna beat YOUR a$$ MU HA HA HA" my neighbors prolly
think im nuts.. but the kids love it dog even plays too

> but I admit that after I have been trying to get him to go
> to sleep for 45 minutes, I get a little rough sometimes.
> It's really frustrating. He'll be dead tired - eyes
> bright red, fussy, eyes almost closing every 5 seconds.

It gets worse... they all do it around that time.. they don't
want to sleep.. andyou know what? they don't grow out of it
until they're parents :) it's one of those times you have to
use your patience and keep distracting and praising.

> So I'll take him into the bedroom, and lay down to nurse
> him. He'll nurse for about 5 seconds and then jump up and
> run to the window and start bending the blinds.

he wants you upset.. he wants your undivided attention. you
have to refuse it.. no evil eye.. no "conner" quiet or not..
no anger.. complete nonchalance.. they have to have a total
complete entire lack fo negative attention.. and all they'll
be able to do is sit back and enjoy the positive!

One shout.. one name call.. one No! and it takes awhile to
work up to the positive only.

> So I gently pick him up and lay him back down.

try not to.. but if you have to ok

> And we repeat the process over 10000 times.

when he goes to sit up.. when yous see the thought on his
face.. distract with sound and follow with praise or a song or
giggle.

> Then I get frustrated and lay him down less gently.

better than my method of plop em in the crib and let em cry.
No anger.. stay calm.. meditate, pray.. breath.. try to
remember they will not always be this small.. and youll never,
ever for anything get it back. it's what im using

> That makes him cry, which is the last straw that
> FINALLY gets him to nurse to sleep.

He got you riled up.. what he wanted.. time to sleep.

> Writing it out, I thought of something. He must have a
> lot of excess tension he needs to release before sleeping,
> and finally crying releases it for him.

no way... crying isn't a release.. sometimes.. maybe for
some people.. crying is frustration, pain, hunger,
sadness... sometimes joy.. sometimes tension.. but not
because of his life.. because he's insecure... their dealing
with negative and positive.. and thats what makes em
insecure.

> Any good ways to do this that don't involve crying?

distraction and praise.. if all else fails get up and dance..
fast for day.. slow rocking at night.

> Turning on soft music and swaying in the sling used to
> work for us, but now he either grabs at everything he can
> reach or bends over backwards until he's hanging upside
> down.

cuzhe knows what you're doing. hold him instead.. or sit him
in your lap on the bed and rock

> Putting the sling over his shoulders to prevent that
> doesn't work either. He acts like he is being tortured
> and screams and fights to get out.

becuase it is forced control.

> Katie

Amanda

> > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> >
> > Subject: Re: Discipline
> > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:43:46 -0500
> > From: Amanda <amanda RemoveThis @dcfwatch.com>
> > To:
> >
> > On Wednesday 15 January 2003 01:54, "N wrote:
> >
> > i responded in katie's mail.. youll get it before this one :)
> > i'm not the expert.. mr. howe is teaching me.. and im
> > figuring alot out.. plus its just coming to me.. two months
> > ago i would cry cuz i was soooo lost... and now i go ahead
> > and live it... like he gave me just enough for my brain to
fill
> > in the rest?
> >
> > when i would swat in my early parent years.. up until i got
> > crunchy this last year.. i swore spanking was great.. a lil
> > bit of fear in yo' momma is what i would say.. and my family
> > supported me.. you can spank and not be abusive.
> >
> > then i felt guilty... not because i knew better, but becuase
> > you guys and others did it wihtout spanking.. better than
> > me... but i would still say i just have bad kids.. then i
> > started feeling guilty.. asked for help.. got some advice and
> > it worked some..but not much.. enought to make me think
> > i did it.. then it wouldn't help..
> >
> > then i heard him tell someone on the news group "Do you
> > think hitting babies is intelligent" and i was like whoa.. now
> > I feel like cocka and pray every time i distract them that
they
> > can somehow grow up not to hate me.. and i pray i caught
> > myself in enough time.
> >
> > > Could you possibly be a little more specific about what
> > > you do? How you implement this? I have spanked, I
> > > look at each time as a failure on my part, either in
> > > communication, or not reading the kids correctly or
> > > in time to head off a meltdown. IT's almost always
> > > been out of frustrtation. It's not something I want to do.
> > > I would really be interested in hearing more about
> > > exactly how this works...
> > > N
> > >
> > > --- In Amanda <amanda@d...> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tuesday 14 January 2003 20:47, T wrote:
> > >
> > > I was and always have been a spanker. It is all i knew
> > > how.. i never, ever wanted to be.. but i was. my
> > > house/kids were out of control.. i was always stressed.
> > > Since he and his wife came down sunday we've had a
> > > HUGE change... for the first time the kids didn't destroy
> > > my house before i woke up... my 3yo was in my bed
> > > coloring waiting for us to wake up... this is the first
time
> > > she ever used paper :)
> > >
> > > she usually does walls, furniture.
> > >
> > > Anyway.. he told me to use sound/praise.. and it works. I
> > > have a 6 yo, 3.5 yo who is psycho child :) and a very
> > > bad-a$$ 19 month old. They are all smarter than I am and
> > > know it :)
>
> > > There has not been a temper tantrum in two days in my
> > > house. You guys have no idea how great this is. But best
> > > of all.. this method does NOT use the evil eye or a tone of
> > > that is in any way short of absolute praise.. no shouting..
> > > not even a quiet Chloe!.. nada..
> > >
> > > ONLY praise.
> > >
> > > They even taught my kids not to take candy unless i say
> > > so.. (my oldest will literally let you pierce her ears for
> > > candy.. it's been done twice and i keep taking em out) and
> > > now the bag of blow pops i forget on the floor in my closet
> > > (where we keep the girl's dressed) is still there and NO
> > > ONE has eaten one!
>
> > > My 3 yo is even helping me pick up the house.. the baby
> > > took my lingerie chest apart.. and she cleaned it up!
> > > first time! They don't even go out the open door without
> > > my offering it! they helped me sort laundry.. clean the
> > > living room... im amazed. The 3 yo got some yogurt from
> > > the fridge and walked to our kitchen table, sat down and
> > > ate it.. she REFUSES to sit at the table and eat!
> > >
> > > We also taught them and the dogs to sit pretty so when
> > > they're climbing on my couch.. i go Can you show me how
> > > you sit pretty??
>
> > > and they ALL hop down and show me to sit pretty with
> > > their feet NOT on the cofee table.. hands friggin folded..
> > > i almost fell over.. thanks for reminding me to share my
> > > joy!
>
> > > I'm not a spanker! I don't even yell! lol!
>
> > > here i picked names that shout well and i don't need em!!!
> > >
> > >> how old is your bub amanda? waht's the bub doing?
> > >
> > --
> > Preserving Families One Day at a Time
> > http://www.dcfwatch.com
> >
> > He that would make his own liberty secure must
> > guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he
> > violates this duty he establishes a precedent that
> > will reach to himself. -- 1776 From the American
> > Crisis by Thomas Jefferson

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HOWEDY Carolken,

"Carolken" <kklein2993.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I need a little help with the discipline of

PERHAPS you hadn't noticed you're asking
folks who's dogs got the same problem and
can't train them any better than you can for
the same reasons.

You've been reading HOWER forums for over
a month NHOWE. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
wouldn't have been SO NICE to you had HE taken
the moment to check your own posted case history.

TILL NHOWE.

Your dog is FEAR AGGRESSIVE on accHOWENT
you've been following the advice of these lying dog
abusing punk thug cowards and active long term
incurable MENTAL CASES.

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS
on accHOWENT of ALL temperament and behavior
problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

From: osi....TakeThisOut@deltaville.net (Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.

The question:

I have a four year old male GSD. He growls at
me sometimes. When he growls at me he stares
me in the face and lays his ears back.

The New Skete books say that the dog should
not be allowed to do that. They suggest shaking
down the dog by grabing the dog on the sides of
his neck and picking him off his front feet, then
giving the dog the same sort of treatment the dog
would give another if it were challenging him.

Namely getting in the dogs face and letting the
dog know you are the alpha dog.

Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was
not convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.

Anyone got ideas on what to do with this
dog that might help him to decide that he
wants to follow and that he has nothing to
fear from me?