"vegans": willingly gullible fools, when it suits them

External Since: Jul 10, 2003 Posts: 869

All this discussion about grass-fed beef, and the risky
contortions of "vegans" and quasi-"vegans" to avoid
acknowledging that grass-fed beef *could* be a lesser
harm (to animals) food than some vegetables, illustrate
an interesting but disappointing phenomenon. I have to
add "predictable" to the list as well. The phenomenon
is that "vegans" are among the class of people who
suspend all disbelief, as long as the message is one
they are predisposed to accept.

In the discussion, "vegans" and quasi-"vegans" have
said that some beef that is purported to be grass-fed
has in fact been "finished" on some quantity of grain.
One minor problem is that they can't point to any
such beef; rather, they grasp at the thin reed of no
legal definition of grass-fed. The larger problem,
though, is that they have been shown web sites of
sellers of grass-fed beef who explicitly claim that
*their* beef cattle are never fed any grain at all.
One exceptionally moronic pseudo-"vegan" has laughably
said that farmers are liars, and therefore this claim
must be a lie. Another neophyte quasi-"vegan", while
not alleging lying quite so blatantly, hints that she
expects the claims to be lies.

But these same goofs will naively accept at face value
a manufacturer's claim to be producing and selling
"vegan" products, when the idea of a definition of
"vegan" is obviously FAR murkier than a definition of
grass-fed. The reason is obvious: "vegans" are
perfectly willing to be deluded, as long as the claims
they accept are comforting.

External Since: Aug 14, 2003 Posts: 12

"ipse dixit" <nospam.DeleteThis@email.com> wrote in message
news:oucg001kdond9kot2ebi1is0ctu2cjjias@4ax.com...
> Switching to grass fed beef is no guarantee you'll
> actually be eating it.

Most farmers who are into niche markets...and grass fed is one of
them...understand that their customers are skeptical and want to know the
truth. I'm not saying none will lie, but I would venture that most do not.

Most of these producers are also very open to a potential customer visiting
the farm to see for themselves. I don't grass feed my beef (and I don't lie
about it). I do have other claims, such as they do not get antibiotics
(unless they are sick and I know which animals have been treated and which
have not), no hormones and no animal proteins. I also raise pastured
poultry. If someone wanted to come to see for themselves, they would be
welcomed with open arms. Nothing to hide here.

Most producers have the same attitude, at least the ones I have met.

There is a listing of local producers for a variety of products at
localharvest.org. They are not all grass-fed, but these are people who
would welcome questions and visits from those who care.

Jena