What are your vegan alternatives?

"Miller" <chumley702NOSSSSPAM DeleteThis @chartermi.net> wrote in message
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snippage...
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> After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
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Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.


>
> Scott
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: What are your vegan alternatives? 

to cut the crossposts moron
 >> Stay informed about: What are your vegan alternatives? 

"rick etter" <retterstop DeleteThis @bright.net> wrote in message
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> "Miller" <chumley702NOSSSSPAM DeleteThis @chartermi.net> wrote in message
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>
> snippage...
> >
> > After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
> ==============
> Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
>
>

Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:

"The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."

Then we have:

"These items which contain animal by-products are used in
the production of food:"

followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal by-products.
The idea seems to be to show some sort of prooof that makes the original
snippage false. But the author fails, since thge original point is that
farm animals are not necessary to feed people. There is no claim sited
concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The list of
things that supposedly have no "vegan alternative" is moot.

Scott
 >> Stay informed about: What are your vegan alternatives? 

FUCKWIT David Harrison dh_ld DeleteThis @nomail.com wrote:

> Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:22:57 GMT "Jonathan Ball" wrote:
>
>
>>The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people.
>
>
> These items which contain animal by-products are used in
> the production of food:

Correction, FUCKWIT: those items which MAY contain
animal by-products.

> If "farm animals aren't necessary to feed people",

They aren't.
 >> Stay informed about: What are your vegan alternatives? 

"Miller" <chumley702NOSSSSPAM RemoveThis @chartermi.net> wrote in message
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> "rick etter" <retterstop RemoveThis @bright.net> wrote in message
> news:wOGdnV7o_8vry2WiRVn-hA@bright.net...
> >
> > "Miller" <chumley702NOSSSSPAM RemoveThis @chartermi.net> wrote in message
> > news:vvgaugdjpknj06@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> >
> > snippage...
> > >
> > > After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
> > ==============
> > Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
> >
> >
>
> Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:
>
> "The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."
>
> Then we have:
>
> "These items which contain animal by-products are used in
> the production of food:"
>
> followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal by-products.
> The idea seems to be to show some sort of prooof that makes the original
> snippage false. But the author fails, since thge original point is that
> farm animals are not necessary to feed people. There is no claim sited
> concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The list
of
> things that supposedly have no "vegan alternative" is moot.
================
Nice tap-dance, but as I stated, veganism is *not* a diet. So, why the
concern with only what you eat?
Some need to try and ignore the rest of your bloody footprints?
 >> Stay informed about: What are your vegan alternatives? 

<dh_ld.TakeThisOut@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:22:57 GMT "Jonathan Ball" wrote:
>
> >The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people.
>
> These items which contain animal by-products are used in
> the production of food:
> _________________________________________________________
> Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
> Antifreeze
>
> http://www.aif.org/lvstock.htm
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> _________________________________________________________
> Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
> Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance greases, brake fluid
>
> http://www.teachfree.com/student/wow_that_cow.htm
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> _________________________________________________________
> cleaning and polishing compounds,
> glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC
>
> http://www.discover.com/aug_01/featcow.html
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> _________________________________________________________
> Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
> Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape,
> Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and
> Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape,
> Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
>
> http://www.sheepusa.org/environment/products.shtml
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> If "farm animals aren't necessary to feed people", then give us
> examples of your vegan alternatives to these products which
> contain animal by-products and are used in the production of
> food.
>

None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.
 >> Stay informed about: What are your vegan alternatives? 

"rick etter" <retterstop DeleteThis @bright.net> wrote in message
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> "Miller" <chumley702NOSSSSPAM DeleteThis @chartermi.net> wrote in message
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> > "rick etter" <retterstop DeleteThis @bright.net> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Miller" <chumley702NOSSSSPAM DeleteThis @chartermi.net> wrote in message
> > > news:vvgaugdjpknj06@corp.supernews.com...
> > > >
> > >
> > > snippage...
> > > >
> > > > After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
> > > ==============
> > > Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:
> >
> > "The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."
> >
> > Then we have:
> >
> > "These items which contain animal by-products are used in
> > the production of food:"
> >
> > followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal
by-products.
> > The idea seems to be to show some sort of prooof that makes the original
> > snippage false. But the author fails, since thge original point is that
> > farm animals are not necessary to feed people. There is no claim sited
> > concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The list
> of
> > things that supposedly have no "vegan alternative" is moot.
> ================
> Nice tap-dance, but as I stated, veganism is *not* a diet. So, why the
> concern with only what you eat?
> Some need to try and ignore the rest of your bloody footprints?
>
>
>

Fascinating.

Scott
 >> Stay informed about: What are your vegan alternatives? 

Not so quick wrote:

> <dh_ld.TakeThisOut@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:43agvvcf7vsgg2jkokuelb5ddqupet5esh@4ax.com...
>
>>Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:22:57 GMT "Jonathan Ball" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people.
>>
>> These items which contain animal by-products are used in
>>the production of food:
>>_________________________________________________________
>>Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
>>Antifreeze
>>
>>http://www.aif.org/lvstock.htm
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>_________________________________________________________
>>Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
>>Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance greases, brake fluid
>>
>>http://www.teachfree.com/student/wow_that_cow.htm
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>_________________________________________________________
>>cleaning and polishing compounds,
>>glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC
>>
>>http://www.discover.com/aug_01/featcow.html
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>_________________________________________________________
>>Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
>>Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape,
>>Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and
>>Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape,
>>Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
>>
>>http://www.sheepusa.org/environment/products.shtml
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>If "farm animals aren't necessary to feed people", then give us
>>examples of your vegan alternatives to these products which
>>contain animal by-products and are used in the production of
>>food.
>>
>
>
> None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.

You're right! This comes as no big surprise; David
FUCKWIT Harrison never knows what he's talking about.
 >> Stay informed about: What are your vegan alternatives? 

"Not so quick" <goodideaSSPPAAMM RemoveThis @lvcm.com> wrote in message
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> None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.
>
>

No, but the argument is. Veganism isn't just a dietary concern. It's a life
choice. A total life choice and one that, despite what most of you may
think, I respect.

Just as long as its praticioners understand that if they live in modern
society and enjoy its luxuries, they can never be truly Vegan. They can
reduce their imapct upon the worl'sanimals to a point, but after that point
they must start making serious sacrifices. And I'm not talking about eating
and wearing animals products, either. I'm talking about modern medicines and
medical technology, most if not all of which are tested upon animals. I'm
talking about petrochemical products, which are produced at the expense of
animal lives. Every synthetic fiber and piece of plastic ever used was made
with petrochemicals. Do you have any idea how many animals are killed every
year by oil accidents? How many birds every year fly into transmission
lines?

No, if you live in this society and enjoy its luxuries, you can never be a
true Vegan. You can choose not to eat animal products.You can choose not to
wear animals products. But every time you fire up your car, turn on a light
or don a nylon jacket, you're making use of something that was created at
the expense of animal lives. And you have no right whatsoever to call
non-vegans "murderers" or "animal abusers".

Doc
 >> Stay informed about: What are your vegan alternatives? 

drdoody wrote:

> "Not so quick" <goodideaSSPPAAMM DeleteThis @lvcm.com> wrote in message
> news:BHpKb.101624$pY.31634@fed1read04...
>
>
>
>>None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.
>>
>>
>
>
> No, but the argument is. Veganism isn't just a dietary concern. It's a life
> choice. A total life choice and one that, despite what most of you may
> think, I respect.

Everything you write following provides the rationale
for *not* respecting it. It is a fundamentally
dishonest and hypocritical "lifestyle". I do not
respect sanctimonious hypocrites, and that's exactly
what all "vegan" are.

>
> Just as long as its praticioners understand that if they live in modern
> society and enjoy its luxuries, they can never be truly Vegan. They can
> reduce their imapct upon the worl'sanimals to a point, but after that point
> they must start making serious sacrifices. And I'm not talking about eating
> and wearing animals products, either. I'm talking about modern medicines and
> medical technology, most if not all of which are tested upon animals. I'm
> talking about petrochemical products, which are produced at the expense of
> animal lives. Every synthetic fiber and piece of plastic ever used was made
> with petrochemicals. Do you have any idea how many animals are killed every
> year by oil accidents? How many birds every year fly into transmission
> lines?
>
> No, if you live in this society and enjoy its luxuries, you can never be a
> true Vegan. You can choose not to eat animal products.You can choose not to
> wear animals products. But every time you fire up your car, turn on a light
> or don a nylon jacket, you're making use of something that was created at
> the expense of animal lives. And you have no right whatsoever to call
> non-vegans "murderers" or "animal abusers".
>
> Doc
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: What are your vegan alternatives? 

I'm from Las Vegas and I represent that remark.


"Jonathan Ball" <jonball.RemoveThis@whitehouse.not> wrote in message
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> drdoody wrote:
>
> > "Not so quick" <goodideaSSPPAAMM.RemoveThis@lvcm.com> wrote in message
> > news:BHpKb.101624$pY.31634@fed1read04...
> >
> >
> >
> >>None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > No, but the argument is. Veganism isn't just a dietary concern. It's a
life
> > choice. A total life choice and one that, despite what most of you may
> > think, I respect.
>
> Everything you write following provides the rationale
> for *not* respecting it. It is a fundamentally
> dishonest and hypocritical "lifestyle". I do not
> respect sanctimonious hypocrites, and that's exactly
> what all "vegan" are.
>
> >
> > Just as long as its praticioners understand that if they live in modern
> > society and enjoy its luxuries, they can never be truly Vegan. They can
> > reduce their imapct upon the worl'sanimals to a point, but after that
point
> > they must start making serious sacrifices. And I'm not talking about
eating
> > and wearing animals products, either. I'm talking about modern medicines
and
> > medical technology, most if not all of which are tested upon animals.
I'm
> > talking about petrochemical products, which are produced at the expense
of
> > animal lives. Every synthetic fiber and piece of plastic ever used was
made
> > with petrochemicals. Do you have any idea how many animals are killed
every
> > year by oil accidents? How many birds every year fly into transmission
> > lines?
> >
> > No, if you live in this society and enjoy its luxuries, you can never be
a
> > true Vegan. You can choose not to eat animal products.You can choose not
to
> > wear animals products. But every time you fire up your car, turn on a
light
> > or don a nylon jacket, you're making use of something that was created
at
> > the expense of animal lives. And you have no right whatsoever to call
> > non-vegans "murderers" or "animal abusers".
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
>
 >> Stay informed about: What are your vegan alternatives? 

"Miller" <chumley702NOSSSSPAM.DeleteThis@chartermi.net> wrote in message
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> "rick etter" <retterstop.DeleteThis@bright.net> wrote in message
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> > "Miller" <chumley702NOSSSSPAM.DeleteThis@chartermi.net> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "rick etter" <retterstop.DeleteThis@bright.net> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > "Miller" <chumley702NOSSSSPAM.DeleteThis@chartermi.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:vvgaugdjpknj06@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > snippage...
> > > > >
> > > > > After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
> > > > ==============
> > > > Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:
> > >
> > > "The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."
> > >
> > > Then we have:
> > >
> > > "These items which contain animal by-products are used in
> > > the production of food:"
> > >
> > > followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal
> by-products.
> > > The idea seems to be to show some sort of prooof that makes the
original
> > > snippage false. But the author fails, since thge original point is
that
> > > farm animals are not necessary to feed people. There is no claim
sited
> > > concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The
list
> > of
> > > things that supposedly have no "vegan alternative" is moot.
> > ================
> > Nice tap-dance, but as I stated, veganism is *not* a diet. So, why the
> > concern with only what you eat?
> > Some need to try and ignore the rest of your bloody footprints?
> >
> >
> >
>
> Fascinating.
===============
Yes, your dishonesty, or complete ignorance is fascinating.



>
> Scott
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: What are your vegan alternatives? 

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:53:17 -0500, "Miller" <chumley702NOSSSSPAM.DeleteThis@chartermi.net> wrote:

>
>"rick etter" <retterstop.DeleteThis@bright.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Miller" <chumley702NOSSSSPAM.DeleteThis@chartermi.net> wrote in message
>> news:vvgaugdjpknj06@corp.supernews.com...
>> >
>>
>> snippage...
>> >
>> > After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
>> ==============
>> Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
>>
>>
>
>Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:
>
>"The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."
>
>Then we have:
>
>"These items which contain animal by-products are used in
>the production of food:"
>
>followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal by-products.
>The idea seems to be to show some sort of prooof that makes the original
>snippage false. But the author fails, since thge original point is that
>farm animals are not necessary to feed people. There is no claim sited
>concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The list of
>things that supposedly have no "vegan alternative" is moot.
>
>Scott

You need to show how the food we now enjoy which is produced
using things which contain animal by-products like:
_________________________________________________________
Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
Antifreeze

http://www.aif.org/lvstock.htm
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance greases, brake fluid

http://www.teachfree.com/student/wow_that_cow.htm
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
cleaning and polishing compounds,
glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC

http://www.discover.com/aug_01/featcow.html
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape,
Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and
Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape,
Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings

http://www.sheepusa.org/environment/products.shtml
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can be produced using vegan alternatives to the tires, paints,
paper, glass, etc... which are feeding people at this time.
 >> Stay informed about: What are your vegan alternatives?