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Since: Nov 17, 2003 Posts: 19
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:59 am
Post subject: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish so small?) Archived from groups: rec>aquaria>freshwater>misc (more info?)
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I am asking this question here as there are so many experienced people
here that perhaps a relatively unimportant yet vexing beginner issue
keeps gnawing at my brain. Firstly, two fish horror stories for
comparison. (No fair slamming me as I am now on the Fish Neglector 12
Step Program.)
Just shy of a year ago, a friend bought a one gallon tank with two
feeder goldfish. I bought a one gallon tank and three months later
(after some sad fishy departures) ended up with 2 fancy goldfish. Her
fish are about the same size now as when purchased while my goldfish
won't stop growing and will need tank # 3 by the new year. After (I
wish BEFORE) buying tank #2 I realized that the clerks the retailer I
had been trusting for fishy information had no idea what they were
talking about. After doing some reading I realize my fish are growing
normally (despite my previously poor care). So why are hers still so
small?
As far as I can tell, we both did everything wrong with our fish,
though differently. She fed hers once a day or every other day and I
fed mine according to the directions on the flake (twice per day at
least or more because the poor little dears looked like they were
starving.) She did not clean her tank often. Once per month I took
all the fish out of my tank (including the pleco -- don't ask), put
them in another bowl and cleaned out ALL of the water and rinsed the
gravel. Declorinated new water, waited long enough for it to reach
room temperature and plopped my fishies in.
So, why are her older fish not growing at all? How can this be
possible? By rights, at this point they should be pushing the tank
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Since: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 410
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 7:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish so small?) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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>Subject: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish so
>small?)
>From: aag.TakeThisOut@wilsonking.bc.ca (asginpg)
>Date: 12/1/2003 11:59 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <91c88865.0312010959.287b7f1b.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>
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>I am asking this question here as there are so many experienced people
>here that perhaps a relatively unimportant yet vexing beginner issue
>keeps gnawing at my brain. Firstly, two fish horror stories for
>comparison. (No fair slamming me as I am now on the Fish Neglector 12
>Step Program.)
>
>Just shy of a year ago, a friend bought a one gallon tank with two
>feeder goldfish. I bought a one gallon tank and three months later
>(after some sad fishy departures) ended up with 2 fancy goldfish. Her
>fish are about the same size now as when purchased while my goldfish
>won't stop growing and will need tank # 3 by the new year. After (I
>wish BEFORE) buying tank #2 I realized that the clerks the retailer I
>had been trusting for fishy information had no idea what they were
>talking about. After doing some reading I realize my fish are growing
>normally (despite my previously poor care). So why are hers still so
>small?
>
>As far as I can tell, we both did everything wrong with our fish,
>though differently. She fed hers once a day or every other day and I
>fed mine according to the directions on the flake (twice per day at
>least or more because the poor little dears looked like they were
>starving.) She did not clean her tank often. Once per month I took
>all the fish out of my tank (including the pleco -- don't ask), put
>them in another bowl and cleaned out ALL of the water and rinsed the
>gravel. Declorinated new water, waited long enough for it to reach
>room temperature and plopped my fishies in.
>
>So, why are her older fish not growing at all? How can this be
>possible? By rights, at this point they should be pushing the tank
>top off and walking to the loo to run a bath.
>
Sounds like they've been severly stunted.
This will cause an early death, as well as keeping 2 goldfish in a 1 gallon
tank?
That's simply terrible.
If this person is your "friends", why not better educate them on the
requirements of Goldfish.
Tell them to get a minimum 30g tank (for only those 2) >> Stay informed about: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish.. |
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Since: Oct 05, 2003 Posts: 126
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 8:46 pm
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"TYNK 7" <tynk7 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish so
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> Sounds like they've been severly stunted.
> This will cause an early death, as well as keeping 2 goldfish in a 1
gallon
> tank?
> That's simply terrible.
> If this person is your "friends", why not better educate them on the
> requirements of Goldfish.
> Tell them to get a minimum 30g tank (for only those 2)
these are fancy gold fish not huge Koi, why would anyone want a 30 g tank
for two gold fish?. A 10 gallon, ( 1 gold fish per 5 g) will do nicely.
Rick >> Stay informed about: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish.. |
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Since: Sep 03, 2003 Posts: 11
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 8:46 pm
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"Rick" <rvengstromnospam.TakeThisOut@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> "TYNK 7" <tynk7.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > >Subject: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish so
> >>
> > Sounds like they've been severly stunted.
> > This will cause an early death, as well as keeping 2 goldfish in a 1
> gallon
> > tank?
> > That's simply terrible.
> > If this person is your "friends", why not better educate them on the
> > requirements of Goldfish.
> > Tell them to get a minimum 30g tank (for only those 2)
>
>
> these are fancy gold fish not huge Koi, why would anyone want a 30 g tank
> for two gold fish?. A 10 gallon, ( 1 gold fish per 5 g) will do nicely.
>
> Rick
Tell that to the 8-10 inch goldfish in my pond, I'm pretty sure that
they would find that interesting...
Bob
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Since: Aug 03, 2004 Posts: 10
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 8:46 pm
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Since: Jul 14, 2003 Posts: 152
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:56 pm
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10 gallon is only suitable for 1 goldfish as they are very messy fish,
creating a lot of waste. They do also grow extremely large and 5 gallons
just wouldn't be enough space.
asginpg - I expect that the reason your fish grew unlike your friends,
despite being in such such a small bowl is that you kept your water slightly
better than her. When in good water, goldfish release a hormone which makes
them grow. In bad water they don't.
Mel.
"Rick" <rvengstromnospam.DeleteThis@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> "TYNK 7" <tynk7.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > >Subject: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish so
> >>
> > Sounds like they've been severly stunted.
> > This will cause an early death, as well as keeping 2 goldfish in a 1
> gallon
> > tank?
> > That's simply terrible.
> > If this person is your "friends", why not better educate them on the
> > requirements of Goldfish.
> > Tell them to get a minimum 30g tank (for only those 2)
>
>
> these are fancy gold fish not huge Koi, why would anyone want a 30 g tank
> for two gold fish?. A 10 gallon, ( 1 gold fish per 5 g) will do nicely.
>
> Rick
>
> >> Stay informed about: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish.. |
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Since: Feb 19, 2006 Posts: 2334
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:35 pm
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<nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
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> >"Rick" <rvengstromnospam RemoveThis @shaw.ca> wrote in message
> >news:hMNyb.537926$pl3.108032@pd7tw3no...
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> >> "TYNK 7" <tynk7 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:20031201140521.03493.00001621@mb-m29.aol.com...
> >> > >Subject: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends
fish so
> >> >>
> >> > Sounds like they've been severly stunted.
> >> > This will cause an early death, as well as keeping 2 goldfish in a
1
> >> gallon
> >> > tank?
> >> > That's simply terrible.
> >> > If this person is your "friends", why not better educate them on
the
> >> > requirements of Goldfish.
> >> > Tell them to get a minimum 30g tank (for only those 2)
> >>
> >>
> >> these are fancy gold fish not huge Koi, why would anyone want a 30 g
tank
> >> for two gold fish?. A 10 gallon, ( 1 gold fish per 5 g) will do
nicely.
> >>
> >> Rick
> >
> > Tell that to the 8-10 inch goldfish in my pond, I'm pretty sure
that
> >they would find that interesting...
> >
> >Bob
>
>
> ARe those fancy gold fish or Comet goldfish? I think the Fancy ones
only get about 6 inches..
AFAIK, the fancy ones (Orandas, Ryukins, Moors etc) still get to 8", but
there are many years between 6" and 8". I take the size in inches (not
including the tail) and multiply by 3. That gives me the filtration
required. If the formula says that they need a 50g, then they get
filtration for at least 50g, though a 33g might be the right size tank.
At some point, a 5g is big enough, then a 10, a 20 etc etc. I have three
6" Ryukins in a 108g right now. They look quite comfortable and I could
probably add a couple more, 3 or 4 if I cleared out some of the rocks &
driftwood, you need to use your discretion.
I think the water quality would have been the biggest constraint in
growth, followed by the food itself, and the tank temperature. Warmer
water gets you bigger and hungrier fish.
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Since: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 410
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 12:46 am
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>Subject: Re: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish so
>small?)
>From: "Rick" rvengstromnospam.DeleteThis@shaw.ca
>Date: 12/1/2003 2:46 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <hMNyb.537926$pl3.108032@pd7tw3no>
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>"TYNK 7" <tynk7.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> >Subject: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish so
>>>
>> Sounds like they've been severly stunted.
>> This will cause an early death, as well as keeping 2 goldfish in a 1
>gallon
>> tank?
>> That's simply terrible.
>> If this person is your "friends", why not better educate them on the
>> requirements of Goldfish.
>> Tell them to get a minimum 30g tank (for only those 2)
>
>
>these are fancy gold fish not huge Koi, why would anyone want a 30 g tank
>for two gold fish?. A 10 gallon, ( 1 gold fish per 5 g) will do nicely.
>
>Ri
A 5g for a fancy Goldfish?No way.
Even the minimum 10g per Goldie "rule" is too small.
The amount of waste they put out will pollute a small tank like that in no
time.
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Since: Jul 27, 2004 Posts: 274
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:38 am
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In article <20031201194604.01810.00001017 RemoveThis @mb-m27.aol.com>, tynk7 RemoveThis @aol.com
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> A 5g for a fancy Goldfish?No way.
> Even the minimum 10g per Goldie "rule" is too small.
>
>
Sigh. Another "holier than thou" goldfish fanatic. That fish will be
fine in a 5 gallon tank for years if partial water changes are done
regularly.
You may want the Hilton for your fish, but they'll do just fine in a
motel 6 :-).
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 10:07 am
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:59 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:51 pm
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>Subject: Re: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish so
>small?)
>From: nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com
>Date: 12/1/2003 8:21 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <rntnsvorsta6ihqmlv6volr40o89dhj0sc.DeleteThis@4ax.com>
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>>"Rick" <rvengstromnospam.DeleteThis@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>news:hMNyb.537926$pl3.108032@pd7tw3no...
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>>> "TYNK 7" <tynk7.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:20031201140521.03493.00001621@mb-m29.aol.com...
>>> > >Subject: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish so
>>> >>
>>> > Sounds like they've been severly stunted.
>>> > This will cause an early death, as well as keeping 2 goldfish in a 1
>>> gallon
>>> > tank?
>>> > That's simply terrible.
>>> > If this person is your "friends", why not better educate them on the
>>> > requirements of Goldfish.
>>> > Tell them to get a minimum 30g tank (for only those 2)
>>>
>>>
>>> these are fancy gold fish not huge Koi, why would anyone want a 30 g tank
>>> for two gold fish?. A 10 gallon, ( 1 gold fish per 5 g) will do nicely.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>
>> Tell that to the 8-10 inch goldfish in my pond, I'm pretty sure that
>>they would find that interesting...
>>
>>Bob
>
>
>ARe those fancy gold fish or Comet goldfish? I think the Fancy ones only get
>about 6 inches..
And a 6 inch Goldie would be fine ina 5g tank?
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:59 pm
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>Subject: Re: Can tank size limit fish size? (Or why are my friends fish so
>small?)
>From: Larry Blanchard lblanch DeleteThis @fastmail.fm
>Date: 12/2/2003 11:38 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <bqiier$22ojom$1@ID-124996.news.uni-berlin.de>
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>In article <20031201194604.01810.00001017 DeleteThis @mb-m27.aol.com>, tynk7 DeleteThis @aol.com
>says...
>> A 5g for a fancy Goldfish?No way.
>> Even the minimum 10g per Goldie "rule" is too small.
>>
>>
>Sigh. Another "holier than thou" goldfish fanatic. That fish will be
>fine in a 5 gallon tank for years if partial water changes are done
>regularly.
>
>You may want the Hilton for your fish, but they'll do just fine in a
>motel 6 :-).
"Holier than thou Goldfish fanatic"?
That's so funny, as I don't even care for them at all. I think they're ugly,
filthy fish. However, that doesn't mean they don't deserve proper treatment.
Every fish in this hobby does.
You want to tell me how an 6-8 inch Fancy Goldfish will do fine for years?
Even if there were daily water changes, the poor thing wouldn't be able to turn
around.
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