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Natty_Dread

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:52 am
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I wrote in another thread that I've just adopted a rescued Treeing Walker
Coonhound that we (finally) named Daisy (after much consideration, since a
dog's name is sooo important :). Last night when I came home from work, I
got undressed and left my clothes on the floor while I changed into comfy
home attire. While I was changing, Daisy sniffed at my work clothes
(business casual) for a minute and then rolled around in and on them! I'd
never seen a dog do that before. Any idea why she might have done it? Is
it an act of bonding maybe, or did my clothes just have a new and
interesting scent?

Rhonda
Alexandria, VA


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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:52 am
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Natty_Dread wrote:

> I wrote in another thread that I've just adopted a rescued Treeing Walker
> Coonhound that we (finally) named Daisy (after much consideration, since a
> dog's name is sooo important :). Last night when I came home from work, I
> got undressed and left my clothes on the floor while I changed into comfy
> home attire. While I was changing, Daisy sniffed at my work clothes
> (business casual) for a minute and then rolled around in and on them! I'd
> never seen a dog do that before. Any idea why she might have done it? Is
> it an act of bonding maybe, or did my clothes just have a new and
> interesting scent?

Yup, they had a new and interesting scent :-).

Sometimes dogs roll in really gross things, like dead
animals. Or old sweaty tennis shoes. Your armpit, if
you're lying on the floor.

flick 100785

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> Rhonda
> Alexandria, VA
>
>
> ===============
> Each of us, a cell of awareness
> imperfect and incomplete
> Genetic blends with uncertain ends
> on a fortune-hunt that's far too fleet
>
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:30 am
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Natty_Dread said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> While I was changing, Daisy sniffed at my work clothes
> (business casual) for a minute and then rolled around in
> and on them! I'd never seen a dog do that before. Any
> idea why she might have done it? Is it an act of bonding
> maybe, or did my clothes just have a new and interesting
> scent?

When Friday sleeps on the floor, his favourite spot is on any
dirty laundry that sometimes gets left in the corner. I suspect
that he prefers socks and underwear.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:38 am
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On 18 Nov 2004 06:30:54 GMT, Rocky <2dogs DeleteThis @rocky-dog.com> wrote:

>Natty_Dread said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
>> While I was changing, Daisy sniffed at my work clothes
>> (business casual) for a minute and then rolled around in
>> and on them! I'd never seen a dog do that before. Any
>> idea why she might have done it? Is it an act of bonding
>> maybe, or did my clothes just have a new and interesting
>> scent?
>
>When Friday sleeps on the floor, his favourite spot is on any
>dirty laundry that sometimes gets left in the corner. I suspect
>that he prefers socks and underwear.

Punk will turn her nose up at rawhide and even greenies if she can
snatch one of my daughters' smelly socks to carry around in her mouth.
She doesn't chew on them, unlike the pens she decimates if she gets
hold of one, but she will carry them around like trophies for hours.
She also likes shoes, so I think she is attracted to stinky feet
smell. EWW!

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"I think I'm having the best childhood I've ever had!" ---Mimi
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:29 pm
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I read that this was a natural act having to do with hunting. The book
said dogs will roll in anything that makes them smell NOT like a dog. If
prey smells 'dog' in the air they are wary and run away. If prey smell dead
skunk in the air they do not worry. Therefore dogs will roll in anything
that makes them smell different from what they are.
Phyloe



"Natty_Dread" <natty.dread.RemoveThis@comcastNO.netSPAM> wrote in message
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> I wrote in another thread that I've just adopted a rescued Treeing Walker
> Coonhound that we (finally) named Daisy (after much consideration, since a
> dog's name is sooo important :). Last night when I came home from work, I
> got undressed and left my clothes on the floor while I changed into comfy
> home attire. While I was changing, Daisy sniffed at my work clothes
> (business casual) for a minute and then rolled around in and on them! I'd
> never seen a dog do that before. Any idea why she might have done it? Is
> it an act of bonding maybe, or did my clothes just have a new and
> interesting scent?
>
> Rhonda
> Alexandria, VA
>
>
> ===============
> Each of us, a cell of awareness
> imperfect and incomplete
> Genetic blends with uncertain ends
> on a fortune-hunt that's far too fleet
>
>
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Debbie the Dogged

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:48 pm
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In article <Fri95A4EF776633Faustralianshepherdca DeleteThis @rocky-dog.com>,
2dogs DeleteThis @rocky-dog.com says...
> Natty_Dread said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > While I was changing, Daisy sniffed at my work clothes
> > (business casual) for a minute and then rolled around in
> > and on them! I'd never seen a dog do that before. Any
> > idea why she might have done it? Is it an act of bonding
> > maybe, or did my clothes just have a new and interesting
> > scent?
>
> When Friday sleeps on the floor, his favourite spot is on any
> dirty laundry that sometimes gets left in the corner. I suspect
> that he prefers socks and underwear.

Angel carries my dirty underwear into her crate, where she makes a nest
out of it on top of her clean fleece blanket. Who needs laundry hampers
when you have extremely silly little dogs?
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The Puppy Wizard

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:43 pm
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You think the dog is tryin to DISGUISE hisself
from his owner so he can make his ESCAPE?

"Phyloe" <shlshl.DeleteThis@sctelcom.net> wrote in message
news:304pigF2sksjjU1@uni-berlin.de...
> I read that this was a natural act having to do with hunting.
The book
> said dogs will roll in anything that makes them smell NOT like a
dog. If
> prey smells 'dog' in the air they are wary and run away. If prey
smell dead
> skunk in the air they do not worry. Therefore dogs will roll in
anything
> that makes them smell different from what they are.
> Phyloe
>
>
>
> "Natty_Dread" <natty.dread.DeleteThis@comcastNO.netSPAM> wrote in message
> news:1UVmd.5284096$6p.853878@news.easynews.com...
> > I wrote in another thread that I've just adopted a rescued
Treeing Walker
> > Coonhound that we (finally) named Daisy (after much
consideration, since a
> > dog's name is sooo important :). Last night when I came home
from work, I
> > got undressed and left my clothes on the floor while I changed
into comfy
> > home attire. While I was changing, Daisy sniffed at my work
clothes
> > (business casual) for a minute and then rolled around in and
on them! I'd
> > never seen a dog do that before. Any idea why she might have
done it? Is
> > it an act of bonding maybe, or did my clothes just have a new
and
> > interesting scent?
> >
> > Rhonda
> > Alexandria, VA
> >
> >
> > ===============
> > Each of us, a cell of awareness
> > imperfect and incomplete
> > Genetic blends with uncertain ends
> > on a fortune-hunt that's far too fleet
> >
> >
>
>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:55 am
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HOWEDY paula,

"Paula" <mmmtoblerone DeleteThis @earthlink.ent> wrote in message
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>
> Punk will turn her nose up at rawhide and even
> greenies if she can snatch one of my daughters'
> smelly socks to carry around in her mouth.
>
> She doesn't chew on them, unlike the pens
> she decimates if she gets hold of one, but
> she will carry them around like trophies for
> hours. She also likes shoes, so I think she
> is attracted to stinky feet smell. EWW!
>
> --
> Paula
> "I think I'm having the best childhood I've ever had!" ---Mimi

Here's HOWE to CURE that. Be SHORE to
share the GOOD NEWS with your kibo pals:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: puzzle
> To: Jerry Howe Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002
>5:23 AM Subject: Just getting started..
>
>Dear Jerry,
>
> have had a really good read of your manual and have
> started a few of your suggestions already- and yes!!
> success in one day Crash has ALWAYS stolen things
> for attention: socks, jocks, pens, soft toys you want it
> and she's got it yet to day using your distract/ praise
> method we actually made some progress in the sock
> nicking dept.
>
> I have to say she is generally v. well behaved , but your
> suggestion to praise her very time she looks at us is going
> down a treat, she is v. ppl orientated anyway and she's had
> a constant stream of good/clever/beautiful girls coming in
> her direction -the instant result of which she has not once
> harassed the cats today (a sure fire way to get attention,
> she doesn't hurt them, just annoys the shit out of them until
> they get up and move or scratch her) however, she still is
> barking at little things.

Praise her.

> We have never ignored her when she barks (ever since
> she was tiny) we always get up and check what she's
> barking at tell her "good girl" and then "that's enough"
> (her release command). she always stops when I say
> "enough" but my problem is that

NOPE. That's the problem!

YOU GOT TO SAY IT EVERY TIME, or it don't work....

Is THAT training? NOPE...

Training is supposed to control the behavior automatically,
as you like it. Too much, too little, no problem. Just train the
pup to respond as you'd prefer.

You'd prefer her not to bark, follow the technique
and there'll be no more barking. But telling her to STOP,
is only perpetuating your NEEDING to tell her "enough."

Don't improvise on the technique, because "just telling
her ENOUGH" is NOT in the method, and WILL cause
anxiety about the situation and put you at odds with
your pup.

Use distraction and praise till the behavior is extinguished
instead of stopping the behavior by forced control, i.e.,
"enough." Even though you're not saying it in a scolding
way, you're still arguing with your dog.

> since that guy was stalking me she barks at the tiniest sound,

Praise first, tell her it's O.K., and then interrupt further
barking
with distraction and praise, calling her as a default should the
distraction / praise fail, and then RELEASE her to attempt
another bark if that's her desire, so you may break that attempt
using distract/praise till the behavior is properly extinguished.

That way you can train her to only bark enough to alert you
when something disturbs her. Then you can train her to
not bark at all but to come get you to say there's sumpthin
up...

> the neighbors across the street coming home,

Praise first, then tell her it's friends, more praise, next
bark distract / praise and LET HER WORK THROUGH
the problem till it's extinguished and then generalize it
in other areas. When she looks like she's about to bark
but hasn't YET, PRAISE THAT and prepare to interrupt
her next bark following the VARIABLE distraction and
praise technique.

> the cat in the kitty litter,

EZ. Same same. Every thing is same same. If you can't
envision the sameness of a problem, give me a holler
and we'll look at it from every angle till we see HOWE'S
best to deal with it. You're better off to momentarily avoid
or even ignore a problem RATHER than jump into an issue
you're not prepared to PROPERLY EXTINGUISH. That's
HOWE bad habits and OCD's are caused. Like this one.

> some one walking on the other side of the street,

Relax. You're walkin down your own street, every thing
is O.K. friends and you're not going to pull back on her
lead to force control, you'll continue as you desire and
simply interrupt any inappropriate action or thought with
distract/praise for 5-15 seconds.

> she only reacts like this when I'm in bed

No problem. The OBJECTIVE of training is to have the
behaviors you desire and extinguish those you don't.
The techniques will break the behaviors as best they
can, but some behaviors are going to always be
restimulated by the outside sounds or the kat trying
to get her goat.

Just follow the routine and every behavior will come
into control as she learns to not need to respond to
every sound and every temptation the kat offers.
Should take a couple of days.

> so it means I'm getting woken any where between
> 2 and 5 times a night.

Not for long. So long as you don't get frustrated and holler
SHUDDUP! That'll cause her anxiety and you're back in
the jackpot again. Follow the technique and in one or
two nites you should be cuttin Zzzzz's right through.

But that may require a couple nites for you to make
a sound distraction and praise, and then if she barks
again, you'll probably need to SILENTLY get up and
go to where you're able to present the sound
distraction from opposite of that of the last one from
your bed.

If you're in a small bedroom you might be able to
snap your fingers on one side of the bed and then
the other, depending on the layout. Like say the
window is at the foot of the bed and you dog is
at your feet standing there 12' away. You might
be able to reach over and snap your fingers
from alternate sides of the bed and be all set.

>i've tried letting her sleep in the bed room,

If my dogs are chewing or scratching or even panting
too loudly, I can distract and praise them quietly enough
not to disturb the Mrs.

> but that just makes it worse- as she doesn't sleep at all
>but sits in the "alert" position facing the door.

NO PROBLEM. Distract and praise every anxious thought
or behavior. Notice her breathing. If she's huffing and puffing
that's anxiety, distract and praise till it's extinguished and
she'll sleep. If it takes you fifty times tonite, break each
symptom of anxiety using the techniques and you'll be DONE
by tomorrow nite.

> at least if I leave her to sleep downstairs she snoozes
>on her bed (near the back door).

She probably feels safe there cause she's got the
jump on an intruder. Work my methods and she'll
feel safe trusting your judgement. Correcting her
has DIMINISHED her confidence in your ability
to PROTECT the HOWES because in her mind
you're not aware enough to know there's somethin
spookey out there!

Teach her to understand REAL spooks from phantasms.

> I realise that she is just doing her job,

Right. Pay her and she's done!

> but do you have any ideas on how to calm down her
Hyper-vigilence,

Yup follow the techniques to extinguish any inappropriate
behaviors, feelings, thoughts etc. I've got other techniques
and guaranteed sure fire cures for this and all behaviors,
but this is the starting point for you. Get your handling
techniques up to par and your dog will have no problems
because you won't be creating any stress. Crating is
a major problem for this sort of issue so DON'T be crating
him to calm him down cause it'll likely backfire.

> or is it some thing that's just gonna take time??

I dunno. Should be DONE by tomorrow nite if you
can do all of the exercises in part 1 of your manual.
That'll insure you've got all the confidence issues
straightened out through the Family Leadership Exercise
and the come command as a conditioned reflex.

Is that soon enough for you? If not, I can put the Elves
on it for you but they could be flighty if I disturb them
unnecessarily. Just ask me if you have difficulty with
the methods.

> She doesn't react this way at all when my husband is home,

Because he's POWERFUL. You're defenseless. Also, if
he's more stern with her than you are, it will cause her
much insecurity and that's got to be dealt with or she'll
always be overstimulated by his 'proper handling.' It
doesn't take much repression to cause major anxiety
problems.

Tellin a dog not to bark or ignoring when he's scared is
repressive and causes much anxiety. You can't
command a crying baby to go back to sleep, you
check and reassure him and set him down when
he's ready to catch some Zzzz's.

> but his work takes him away for about 9mths of the year...
> and quiet frankly it's starting to feel like sleep deprevision
torture.

No problem. Give this till tomorrow nite and call me
if you can't sleep and ask me to tell you HOWE COME
you can't get your dog to shut up!!!

> I also suspect that it's starting to become attention seeking

That's another reason we don't respond as our 'common sense'
might tell us to. Most of my training methods are CONTRAWISE,
to quote a soon to be famous ANAL-ytic behaviorist who recommends
scruff shaking and is comfortable with shock
collars if YOU are.

> as when I appear to check the noise, she grabs a toy and
>does the happy dance (tail wagging full body wriggle) cute

THAT'S an ANXIETY RELIEF mechanism from...
repressing her barking.

> but not so endearing at 3 am!!!

You COULD rather easily teach her to shove the toy into
her own mouth each time she thinks of barking. Should
be able to do that in about ten minutes, given the set up.

> any idea's would be appreciated

Naaah. You don't need me for ideas. I'll help you through
the basics, and then you'll use your ideas to make your
dog naturally want to do every thing you ask. Just ask
if you need any help or really really run out of ideas.
Sometimes I think for a couple days about a problem
before figuring out all the ramifications of everything
and come up with a set up or lesson plan to extinguish
the behavior.

> at this stage !!!

As stated. You'll get the basics down, and then you'll
follow the technique, and most of the problems will
be done by tomorrow nite. If you have a special
concern just back up and look at it from the big
picture and don't focus on the SYMPTOM.

Although it's not often necessary to go into deep
worry about the cause of a problem, sometimes
if you got a pain in the butt it might help to stand
up and remove the tack from your seat instead
of taking a pain killer.

For behaviors that don't resolve quickly using
appropriate methods we can be pretty sure it's
a physical problem or a consistent source of stress.

Try to figure out the stressor or physical cause,
and then you'll be able to break the anxiety.

In this case the barking is not cause by the noises,
it's caused by lack of confidence in you, complicated
by the strong persona of the Mr., giving her false
messages. IOW, if Mr. was an omnipotent leader,
he'd be able to control the noises when he's not
there to take charge.

That's what we tell the dog when we force control.

> thank you so much for your manual-

My pleasure. I'm looking forward to updating it soon.

> I've passed it on to my sister (who is getting a G.
> shep. puppy in a few weeks and is v. excited about
> your method)

Excellent.

> thanks !!!

My pleasure. Just ask if you need any help. Keep me
posted. I expect to hear from you in two or three days
sayin he's 100% cured.

> puzzle & crash-dog


Dave Cohen <cohen1 DeleteThis @total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...

Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.

I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one
of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.

I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!

I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.

Thank you Jerry!

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