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Despina

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:07 pm
Post subject: Old dog that won't stop going in the house
Archived from groups: rec>pets>dogs>behavior (more info?)

It's me again, you might remember me from back when I asked how to get
our dog to stop acting agressive around leashed dogs. That problem
never got solved, but now we have a new one.

First of all, he's an old Chesapeake Bay Retriever mix, ten years old
or older. Graying but still very spry and smart for his age. He
still LOVES to walk as much as he can. We found him as a stray
wandering the neighborhood when he was about seven years old. Rumor
was that he was dropped off. Maybe he just got lost. When we first
found him he had the habit of going to the bathroom and howling in the
house whenever we'd leave him, but he got over that. But now he's
doing it again and I seem to be the only member of the family who
likes him anymore.

We can take him for a walk and he'll go outside right before we leave
to go shopping or to the ibrary, etc. For the past few weeks when we
come home, 9 times out of ten there will be some logs in the basement,
always in the same spot, where it's slightly hidden away. Yesterday
it was a ton of pee all over the carpet down there too. After he did
it a couple times we laid down newpaper down there so he wouldn't get
it on the carpet. He knows it's wrong because when he's done it, he
refuses to come downstairs and he sulks if he sees us cleaning it up.
My family is mad at him and are even starting to talk about actually
getting rid of him, something that I can't bare to think of.

I love Jack alot, but he's really starting to tick off my family.
Yesterday when my mom was at work I took him in the backyard, and
stood right beside him while he peed on the pine tree and then took
off running for the field as fast as he could and I had to chase him
down and practically drag him back. He bounded out of the weeds in
the field, his usual happy grin on his face. That was after he went
in the basement AND got on my parents bed, which he knows he's not
allowed to do. He knows because he jumps right off of it when he
hears us coming. If he gets loose outside he runs off and comes back
hours later, covered in mud.

A few months ago we had a choclate torte sitting out on the kithcen
counter while we were doing dishes and my mom had to leave the room
for a minte and when she returned, there was torte all over the floor
and Jack standing there, choking it down. In July he got into the
trash and got ahold of some red cake batter and got it all over his
neck, the wall, and the toilet seat when he washed the batter down
with toilet water.

We do everything we can to try and correct him, but he seems to be
too old and stubborn to be trained. I don't know WHAT the heck his
previous owners taught him-apparently not much. Anyway, stealing
food,jumping on beds, and coming back in the middle of night covered
in mud isn't the main issue now, it's going to the bathroom on the
basement carpet. I say just lock the gate to the basement but my
mom's worried he'll go on our new living room rug. I'm really worried
that my parents are going to get rid of him if this doesn't stop. They
just don't have the patience for it anymore. Even my brother is
getting disgusted with his behavior. I just don't know what to do
anymore. I love him and I wan't to figure out what's wrong with him.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Old dog that won't stop going in the house [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: rec>pets>dogs>misc, others (more info?)

HOWEDY despina,

"Despina" <Moonlit_Sorcery RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:20ab140d.0410201207.c3c048f@posting.google.com...
>
> It's me again,

WELCOME BAAAACK.

> you might remember me from back when
> I asked how to get our dog to stop acting
> agressive around leashed dogs.

ALL aggression is FEAR.

ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

That MEANS we can EXXXTINGUISH
aggression NEARLY INSTANTLY, by
apupriate NON PHYSICAL conditioning.

> That problem never got solved,

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?

> but now we have a new one.

Duh-Oh.

Behavior problems which are ignored or repressed
change to other, often worse, seemingly non related
behaviors as replacement or TRAINsfer behaviors.
ALL behavior problems are the same same, they're
just wearin different clothes to fool you.

> First of all, he's an old Chesapeake Bay Retriever mix,

A dog is a dog.

> ten years old or older.

A three week old puppy got all the brains
he needs to do any thing you got the brains
to train him to do.

<snip>

> Rumor was that he was dropped off. Maybe he just got lost.

Dogs don't GET lost they RUN HOWET on their familys.

> When we first found him he had the habit of
> going to the bathroom and howling in the
> house whenever we'd leave him,

That's separation anxiHOWESNESS.

> but he got over that.

On accHOWENT of you punished him.

> But now he's doing it again

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?

> and I seem to be the only member of the
> family who likes him anymore.

So you came baaaak for MOORE heelp like before.

> We can take him for a walk and he'll go outside
> right before we leave to go shopping or to the ibrary,
> etc. For the past few weeks when we come home,
> 9 times out of ten there will be some logs in the basement,
> always in the same spot, where it's slightly hidden away.

HOWEsbreaking is INSTINCTIVE. Dogs only have
HOWEsbreaking problems if they're SICK or UNHAPPY.

> Yesterday it was a ton of pee all over the carpet
> down there too. After he did it a couple times we
> laid down newpaper down there so he wouldn't get
> it on the carpet.

HOWER DOG LOVERS will tell you to take IT to
the vet on accHOWENT of they GOT NO METHOD
to train your dog not to fear and hate you for abusing
him.

> He knows it's wrong because when he's done it, he
> refuses to come downstairs and he sulks if he sees
> us cleaning it up.

Yeah. That's on accHOWENT of you PUNISH him
which is HOWE COME he's shittin an pissin your
HOWES.

> My family is mad at him and are even starting
> to talk about actually getting rid of him, something
> that I can't bare to think of.

They'll PROBABLY MURDER HIM like so many of
your PALS here, like deidre edwards with the same
same same same PROBLEM with her first ten year
old dog.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

> I love Jack alot,

INDEEDY. THAT'S HOWE COME HOWER DOG
LOVERS ALWAYS PREFER TO HOLD THEIR DOG
DHOWEN for the vet to MURDER FOR THEM.

> but he's really starting to tick off my family.

Yeah.

> Yesterday when my mom was at work I took
> him in the backyard, and stood right beside
> him while he peed on the pine tree and then
> took off running for the field as fast as he
> could and I had to chase him down and
> practically drag him back.

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?

> He bounded out of the weeds in the field,
> his usual happy grin on his face. That was
> after he went in the basement AND got on
> my parents bed, which he knows he's not
> allowed to do.

Right. You had enough yet?

> He knows because he jumps right off
> of it when he hears us coming.

On accHOWENT of you punish him.

> If he gets loose outside he runs off and
> comes back hours later, covered in mud.

Yeah. Surprising he comes back.

> A few months ago we had a choclate torte
> sitting out on the kithcen counter while we
> were doing dishes and my mom had to leave
> the room for a minte and when she returned,
> there was torte all over the floor and Jack
> standing there, choking it down. In July he
> got into the trash and got ahold of some red
> cake batter and got it all over his neck, the
> wall, and the toilet seat when he washed the
> batter down with toilet water.

Well that ain't NUTHIN compared to what your
PALS here got their dogs doin. They got dogs
that eat Gorrilly Glue and GET DEAD and swallow
filthy undies and get SURGERY.

You're LUCKY!

Ask YOUR PALS here HOWE to train your dog
not to steal from the C-HOWENTER or garbage.

> We do everything we can to try and correct him,

You HURT and INTIMIDATE him.

> but he seems to be too old and stubborn to be trained.

You AIN'T trainin you're abusing your dogs.

> I don't know WHAT the heck his previous
> owners taught him-apparently not much.

They either dumped him or he ran HOWET on them.

REMEMBER? At least he still comes baaaak to
you like HOWE you done to these good folks who
heelped you get your dog to this point in life.

> Anyway, stealing food,jumping on beds, and
> coming back in the middle of night covered
> in mud isn't the main issue now, it's going to
> the bathroom on the basement carpet.

It's ALL the same same same same.

> I say just lock the gate to the basement but my
> mom's worried he'll go on our new living room rug.

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?

> I'm really worried that my parents are going
> to get rid of him if this doesn't stop.

Yeah. But you won't DO what you NEED to
save your dog from the needle. You'll hurt
and bribe and intimidate and avoid the problem
as your PALS here do and your parents will
MURDER him and you'll be passin the cryin
THOWEL and all your mentally ill lying dog
abusing punk thug coward pals will tell you
it ain't your fault and when you grow up you
can go into RESCUE like THEM.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

> They just don't have the patience for it anymore.

They don't have the INFORMATION THEY NEED
on accHOWENT of YOU WON'T GIVE IT TO THEM
on accHOWENT of you're busy askin liars dog abusers
punk thug cowards and active long term incurable
MENTAL CASES for advice they ain't GOT on
accHOWENT of ALL behavior problems are
CAUSED by mishandling as your pals advise.

> Even my brother is getting disgusted with his behavior.

Good. It's IMPORTANT that the entire
group AGREE to MURDER the dog.

> I just don't know what to do anymore.

You could CURE all those behavior problems
NEARLY INSTANTLY if you studied your FREE
copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com

> I love him and I wan't to figure out what's wrong with him.

Ask ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN or professor
dermer of UofWI ANAL-ytic behavior department.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{) ; ~ ) >

From: Mike (m.biddisc@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> >
> > Mike
>
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike


From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help. You've been a
blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

===================

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com):

I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.

I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.

I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.

My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.

For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!

I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.

Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.

For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.

We simply eliminated the nagging and the
acting out to get NEGATIVE attention from
one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.

So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS
METHODS WORK.

It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot
of blame that we have to accept, but once we
realize that we've caused these problems to
arise, we can strive to make things better.

AIMEE

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry M Male" <larrymmale RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
To: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard RemoveThis @EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Cocker with ear infection
>
> Thanks Jerry,
>
>
> I enjoyed the scientific discussion debunking
> operant conditioning for teaching thinking animals.
> Humans think by forming concepts. All of their
> knowledge is held as a hierarchy of concepts
> (more complex concepts defined in terms of
> simpler ones). In my mind, to treat such a being
> as a B. F. Skinner robot is criminal.
>
> I don't believe that dogs hold their knowledge
> as concepts as do humans but their ability to
> think is unquestionable.
>
> Operant conditioning doesn't utilize an animal's
> ability to think. When you show a dog what you
> want them to do, then they are able to grasp the
> problem; they are able to think about it and to
> integrate possible solutions into their mind.
>
> But with operant conditioning a trainer is actually
> hiding the problem to be solved from the animal.
>
> For example, it is good for your dog's attention to
> be upon you. When heeling, he will notice your
> movements, your subtle hand signals, your facial
> expressions and he will immediately sense your
> next command. But the clicker trainers have forgotten
> the reasons why a dog's attention should be upon you.
>
> So they condition a dog to unnaturally cock his head
> to stare upward at you. The dog doesn't appreciate
> the meaning of this and neither does the trainer. Since
> this unnatural behavior is prized in the obedience ring,
> the clicker trainers are motivated to condition it.
>
> Don't you think that the "high five" hand shake that
> clicker trainers use to motivate novices looks like a
> Nazi salute (an unthinking reflex). It is not at all like
> a warm hand shake from a loving companion, is it?
>
> Some of your testimonials bring tears to my eyes. I
> love to see how some "thinking" people appreciate
> your methods.
>
> --Larry


>----- Original Message -----
> Subject: GREMLINS
>From: "Larry" To: "The Puppy Wizard"
><thepuppywizard RemoveThis @earthlink.net Sent:
> Friday, July 02, 2004

I live in an apartment complex that accepts dogs. I
have recommended your web site and your training
manual to quite a few pet owners. Unfortunately, it
seems to be human nature for them to not address
training until their dog's behavior problems become
serious.

Several people have seen me out working with Kit. They
cannot believe it when I am able to call a 7 week old
pup away from them. Those who have pups of their own
say that they are waiting until their pups are older
in order to begin traini ng.Itellthemtobeginnow.
But they don'tknowwhattodo.

Have you ever seen the movie "Gremlins"? The Mogwai
comes with three rules: 1) keep out of bright light,
2) keep away from water and 3) never feed after
midnight. Of course disaster befalls the new owners
because they don't take these rules seriously. When I
last watched this movie I thought to myself, how
similar it was to getting a new puppy. Just as does a
Mogwai, a puppy has a nature that demands proper
handling and just as it will with a cute little
Mogwai, mishandling will turn your cute little puppy
into a gremlin.

--Larry

Subject: PetsMart Puppy Playtime
Date: 2004-07-17 12:05:36 PST

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry"
To: "The Puppy Wizard" <thepuppywizard RemoveThis @earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:48 PM
Subject: Kit rules PetsMart Puppy Playtime

Hello Jerry,

The experts say to take your puppy to puppy
classes to socialize them with other puppies.

Kit went to Puppy Playtime at PetsMart today.

I guess that I fail to see what Kit could learn
from those unruly puppies except perhaps
some bad behaviors.

Anyway he mostly lay there quietly and watched.
He wasn't' scared or apprehensive and he didn't
mind approaching other dogs if they seemed willing.

But it was a mad house-a beagle sounding off, a
boxer jumping on everyone, a bull dog pushing his
way around, a Great Dane tripping over everyone,
a little pug barking and poor little Kit getting trampled
because he was so much smaller than everyone else.

Once, he got a bit defensive and snarled and yipped
when this one bigger terrier kept picking on him
(scratching him hard).

Several people commented to me how calm Kit
seemed to be. They wondered if it were a breed
characteristic.

I told them that it was my training method, but
most of them seemed to just get that look in
their eye that says "Yea, yea".

But this one lady seemed interested so I referred
her to your web site. She had a rescued dog which
she held in her arms and it would snap at other
dogs when she gave them any attention.

She would immediately grab her little dog's muzzle
and squeeze it tightly. She finally confided in me
that it did the same to her husband and to her 25lb
cat.

I told her that it was going to get worse and
worse if she didn't address it immediately.

I know that carrying that dog around like she
does and tucking him tight under her arm
when another dog approaches is exasperating
her dog's behavior. I told her so. She said that
she would immediately go to doggydoright.com.

I hope she does.

--Larry

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