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"MauiJNP" <jmh1116.DeleteThis@ptd.net> wrote in message
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> how can I stop my dog from barking at noises he hears (both outside and
> inside noises). I have tried to teach the quiet command with treats,
tried
> using a spray bottle with cold water and even resorted to trying to hold
his
> mouth closed on a few occasions (when my 4 month old nephew was visiting
and
> sleeping). What will work? when we he get it? thanks for any help.

Cell your dog to you in a calm, friendly voice: "Buster? Come here,
sweetie?". Offer him a treat when he shuts up and comes to you. "Good boy!"
Repeat, repeat, repeat *every time* he barks at noises. Do *not* scold or
punish. When you have him coming to you (without barking) every time you
call, you can start doing something in between the barking and the treating,
so that the treat doesnt come directly after he's stopped barking. It's
enough to just keep talking to him for a little while, keeping his attention
so that he doesn't start barking again. "Good boy! Oh, but you *are* a good
boy, aren't you. Oh, yes you are. Want me to scratch your ears? Ah, that's
good, isn't it?" Etc, etc. Doesn't matter what you say, as long as you say
it in the same friendly voice.

The idea is that you teach him that noises aren't bad. Noises are OK.
Nothing negative will happen when he hears those noises. He won't be
corrected, scolded, sprayed, or anything else that's bad. Instead you
"re-program" him to thinking noises are positive (they lead to treats and
positive attention). And by putting some time between the barking and the
treat, you treat him for being silent and paying attention to you.
Eventually you can downgrade the treats and praise, as the dog learns that
noises are no threat. Eventually you can end the treats/praise altogether.

But remember that this will only work if you *don't* give in to the
temptation to correct or punish him. That's especially difficult in the
beginning, when he still barks for a while before coming to you. But if you
persist, you'll succeed.

Rox
(who owns a very territorial dog who has learned not to bark at noises)
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>> how can I stop my dog from barking at noises he hears (both outside and
>> inside noises). I have tried to teach the quiet command with treats,
> tried
>> using a spray bottle with cold water and even resorted to trying to hold
> his
>> mouth closed on a few occasions (when my 4 month old nephew was visiting
> and
>> sleeping). What will work? when we he get it? thanks for any help.
>
> Cell your dog to you in a calm, friendly voice: "Buster? Come here,
> sweetie?". Offer him a treat when he shuts up and comes to you. "Good
> boy!"
> Repeat, repeat, repeat *every time* he barks at noises. Do *not* scold or
> punish. When you have him coming to you (without barking) every time you
> call, you can start doing something in between the barking and the
> treating,
> so that the treat doesnt come directly after he's stopped barking. It's
> enough to just keep talking to him for a little while, keeping his
> attention
> so that he doesn't start barking again. "Good boy! Oh, but you *are* a
> good
> boy, aren't you. Oh, yes you are. Want me to scratch your ears? Ah, that's
> good, isn't it?" Etc, etc. Doesn't matter what you say, as long as you say
> it in the same friendly voice.
>
> The idea is that you teach him that noises aren't bad. Noises are OK.
> Nothing negative will happen when he hears those noises. He won't be
> corrected, scolded, sprayed, or anything else that's bad. Instead you
> "re-program" him to thinking noises are positive (they lead to treats and
> positive attention). And by putting some time between the barking and the
> treat, you treat him for being silent and paying attention to you.
> Eventually you can downgrade the treats and praise, as the dog learns that
> noises are no threat. Eventually you can end the treats/praise altogether.
>
> But remember that this will only work if you *don't* give in to the
> temptation to correct or punish him. That's especially difficult in the
> beginning, when he still barks for a while before coming to you. But if
> you
> persist, you'll succeed.
>
> Rox
> (who owns a very territorial dog who has learned not to bark at noises)
>
>

thanks, I will try that and let you know how it goes.
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"R Meyer" <hundeliste RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| "MauiJNP" <jmh1116 RemoveThis @ptd.net> wrote in message
| news:8judndOOQPWOH23cUSdV9g@ptd.net...
| > how can I stop my dog from barking at noises he hears (both outside and
| > inside noises). I have tried to teach the quiet command with treats,
| tried
| > using a spray bottle with cold water and even resorted to trying to hold
| his
| > mouth closed on a few occasions (when my 4 month old nephew was visiting
| and
| > sleeping). What will work? when we he get it? thanks for any help.
|
| Cell your dog to you in a calm, friendly voice: "Buster? Come here,
| sweetie?". Offer him a treat when he shuts up and comes to you. "Good
boy!"
| Repeat, repeat, repeat *every time* he barks at noises. Do *not* scold or
| punish. When you have him coming to you (without barking) every time you
| call, you can start doing something in between the barking and the
treating,
| so that the treat doesnt come directly after he's stopped barking. It's
| enough to just keep talking to him for a little while, keeping his
attention
| so that he doesn't start barking again. "Good boy! Oh, but you *are* a
good
| boy, aren't you. Oh, yes you are. Want me to scratch your ears? Ah, that's
| good, isn't it?" Etc, etc. Doesn't matter what you say, as long as you say
| it in the same friendly voice.
|
| The idea is that you teach him that noises aren't bad. Noises are OK.
| Nothing negative will happen when he hears those noises. He won't be
| corrected, scolded, sprayed, or anything else that's bad. Instead you
| "re-program" him to thinking noises are positive (they lead to treats and
| positive attention). And by putting some time between the barking and the
| treat, you treat him for being silent and paying attention to you.
| Eventually you can downgrade the treats and praise, as the dog learns that
| noises are no threat. Eventually you can end the treats/praise altogether.


What do you do if the dog comes but barks at the same time?
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"Child" <dawg RemoveThis @alaskaSPAMFREE.com> wrote in message
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> What do you do if the dog comes but barks at the same time?

Then you tell him to sit, and you make him look at you (or the treat). The
barking will stop if the treat is more tempting than chasing after
strangers. As soon as his focus shifts from stranger to daddy, daddy gives
him the treat.

Rox
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R Meyer said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> Then you tell him to sit, and you make him look at you (or
> the treat). The barking will stop if the treat is more
> tempting than chasing after strangers. As soon as his focus
> shifts from stranger to daddy, daddy gives him the treat.

A "down" is more effective. Many dogs have a difficult time
barking from a prone position.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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"R Meyer" <hundeliste.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| "Child" <dawg.RemoveThis@alaskaSPAMFREE.com> wrote in message
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| > What do you do if the dog comes but barks at the same time?
|
| Then you tell him to sit, and you make him look at you (or the treat). The
| barking will stop if the treat is more tempting than chasing after
| strangers. As soon as his focus shifts from stranger to daddy, daddy gives
| him the treat.


I don't think dogs barking because barking at strangers is "tempting" - I
think many dogs are hardwired to do it. I have a keeshond, a breed bred to
be entirely non-aggressive but to alarm bark. And alarm bark he does.
Acknowledging that I know there is someone outside works 90% of the time -
"Oh yes, Tok, I see the person out there, its cool.". The other 10% of the
time the stimulus is so ...stimulating that he is pretty out of control -
for example a moose on the front lawn is just really too much for Toklat and
no sort of food will distract him from that moose. I generally ask him to
get in his crate during these times and he HAPPILY runs in the crate - I
think he feels safer in there. I suspect the moose is really quite scary.

I suspect for a dog who is scared of dogs walking by, there could be the
same sort of issue.
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THAT'S INSANE.
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>From: "Child" <d... RemoveThis @alaskaSPAMFREE.com>
>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:14:29 -0900
>Subject: Re: best way to stop barking

>"R Meyer" <hundeli... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>|
>| What do you do if the dog comes but
>| barks at the same time?

The dog is barkin on accHOWENT of he's EXXXCITED.

>| Then you tell him to sit,

No, that'll make the dog bark MOORE.

> | and you make him look at you (or the treat).

No, that'll REWARD the dog for BARKING.

> | The barking will stop if the treat is more
> | tempting than chasing after strangers.

No. The barking will STOP ONLY if the TREAT
is TOO BIG to chew and bark at the same time.

> | As soon as his focus shifts from stranger to
> | daddy, daddy gives him the treat

And THAT'S HOWE COME you can't TRAIN
your dog not to bark...

> I don't think dogs barking because barking
> at strangers is "tempting" -

Right. Dogs BARK on accHOWENT of they're EXXXCITED.

> I think many dogs are hardwired to do it.

THAT'S INSANE.

> I have a keeshond,

A DOG IS A DOG.

> a breed bred to be entirely non-aggressive

THAT'S INSANE.

> but to alarm bark.

ALARM BARKING is FEAR.

ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.

ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
or TRAINING in the case of an ATTACK dog.

> And alarm bark he does.

Your dog BARKS on accHOWENT of you're
a dog abusing mental case as we'll SEE in
your own POSTED CASE HISTORY.

>Acknowledging that I know there is someone
> outside works 90% of the time -

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

>>"Oh yes, Tok, I see the person out there, its cool.".

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!!

> The other 10% of the time the stimulus is so ...
> stimulating that he is pretty out of control -

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHHAAA!!!

YOUR'E FULL OF CRAP.

>for example

You sprayed Binaca in your dog's eyes
and nearly blinded IT.

> a moose on the front lawn is just really too much
> for Toklat and no sort of food will distract him from
> that moose.

Well THAT'S on accHOWENT of you CAN'T TRAIN
a dog not to bark by givin IT REWARDS for BARKIN.

> I generally ask him to get in his crate
> during these times

On accHOWENT of you don't know HOWE to
TRAIN your dog not to bark or you wouldn't
CHOKE and SHOCK and SPRAY AVERSIVES
into ITS face to CALM IT DHOWEN, you dog
abusing MENTAL CASE.


> and he HAPPILY runs in the crate -

On accHOWENT of HE'S AFRAID of YOU
HURTIN HIM someMOORE.

> I think he feels safer in there.

Till you appraoach with your BINACA SPRAYER.

> I suspect the moose is really quite scary.

No. The dog is AFRAID of YOU HURTING IT someMOORE.

> I suspect for a dog who is scared of dogs
> walking by, there could be the same sort
> of issue.

Yeah. ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHADLING.

LIKE THIS:

> "BethF" <b... RemoveThis @NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com>
> wrote in messag
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> "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatri... RemoveThis @adelphia.net>
> wrote in message
> Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
> and i often call my little dog the turd, because
> he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
> would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
> matter of personality.

> Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
> step on him once. Seriously.

"Hold Back The Dobie Girl So That Izzy Can
Put Simon In His Place." BINACA bethFIST

"Beth F" <d... RemoveThis @spamthis.alaska.com> wrote in message:

"Whatever motivates the dog, but I daresay most of the dogs
I have in classes just aren't that interested in praise."

From: Beth F (d...@spamthis.alaska.com)
Subject: Re: citronella collar and ultrasonic trainer
Date: 2002-02-07 11:23:31 PST
On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT,
"Lane Browning"
<rainm... RemoveThis @att.net> wrote:
>I agree about the whining, my dog isn't aware he is
>doing it either...it's like a seizure when he goes
>nuts, I can't even make eye contact with him,
>he's on some other planet. NOTHING reaches
>him.
>
>no, not a Samoyed. actually a breed I researched
>very carefully....sigh.

I totally understand. And the samoyed thing was
a bit of a joke - Kavik is a samoyed. I sympathize
with you- i received a great deal of hostility for not
getting my dogs barking and whining under control
at the dog club - apparently, I wasn't trying hard
enough.

I was given many different techniques to try from
treating when quiet, from teaching bark-nobark and
treating, from aversives (binaca and tobasco) and
NOTHING worked.

Well, actually the binaca worked but after
i got him in the eye it was not a possibility
to be using that.

Even yesterday Kavik and Toklat and I went for a four
mile walk. IT took about an hour. In that hour Kavik
barked basically the entire time. Not AT anything, not
because he was insecure, unhappy or any of the
other reasons folks here are going to tell me that
dogs bark- he barked for sheer joy. BARK BARK
BARK, I AM WALKING YAY BARK. I actually timed
the amount of time he wasn't barking and it was a
total of 7 minutes in 58 minutes. And because its
outdoors, and in a place where folks aren't sleeping,

I don't worry about it -its a good outlet for his bark
drive.

I also don't correct him when we are skiing -
but if we go fast enough, the barking stops!!

In any case, for places where its really inappropriate
for him to bark - in the car when i am not present, or
in the dog club in his crate when i am teaching, he
wears a citronella collar.

He understands that when he is wearing it, he shouldn't
bark, at this point. He doesnt' even test it anymore. And
I have been able to leave the collar off most of the time
lately - he has learned that he shouldn't bark when
left alone in the car at people or while in the crate.

I believe both of these are "boredom barks" - barks
to entertain onesself. However, if i am very lax
about the collar and he doesnt' wear it for several
weeks while in these situations the training wears off
- so basically i do it randomly - once in awhile he
wears the collar as a reminder.

Quite frankly, I much preferred this method of
training to MY applying the aversive - i am not the
bad guy and he is completely in control of the
correction. Clearly he understands what causes the
correction. And I am not counting on my own powers
of timing and accuracy to create the correction.
--BethF, Anchorage, AK

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> > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > > AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > > do with their dogs.
>
> > > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > > the regular posters of this ng do to their
> > > dogs are lies.

> > > All of it. Every last bit.

> > All of it?
> > Ear pinching?
> > Shock collars?
> > Spiked chokers?

> > The regulars lie more in their denials than
> > Howe does in his accusing of them.
:
> Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
:
> Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
> would see denials when everyone has Jerry
> killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
> let alone respond to them.

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BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

YOU'RE INSANE!
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"Child" <dawg RemoveThis @alaskaSPAMFREE.com> wrote in
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> for example a moose on the front lawn is just really too much for
> Toklat and no sort of food will distract him from that moose.

I really can't imagine why.

--Catherine
& Zoe the cockerchow
& Queenie the big black dog
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"R Meyer" <hundeliste.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "MauiJNP" <jmh1116.TakeThisOut@ptd.net> wrote in message
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>> how can I stop my dog from barking at noises he hears (both outside and
>> inside noises). I have tried to teach the quiet command with treats,
> tried
>> using a spray bottle with cold water and even resorted to trying to hold
> his
>> mouth closed on a few occasions (when my 4 month old nephew was visiting
> and
>> sleeping). What will work? when we he get it? thanks for any help.
>
> Cell your dog to you in a calm, friendly voice: "Buster? Come here,
> sweetie?". Offer him a treat when he shuts up and comes to you. "Good
> boy!"
> Repeat, repeat, repeat *every time* he barks at noises. Do *not* scold or
> punish. When you have him coming to you (without barking) every time you
> call, you can start doing something in between the barking and the
> treating,
> so that the treat doesnt come directly after he's stopped barking. It's
> enough to just keep talking to him for a little while, keeping his
> attention
> so that he doesn't start barking again. "Good boy! Oh, but you *are* a
> good
> boy, aren't you. Oh, yes you are. Want me to scratch your ears? Ah, that's
> good, isn't it?" Etc, etc. Doesn't matter what you say, as long as you say
> it in the same friendly voice.
>
> The idea is that you teach him that noises aren't bad. Noises are OK.
> Nothing negative will happen when he hears those noises. He won't be
> corrected, scolded, sprayed, or anything else that's bad. Instead you
> "re-program" him to thinking noises are positive (they lead to treats and
> positive attention). And by putting some time between the barking and the
> treat, you treat him for being silent and paying attention to you.
> Eventually you can downgrade the treats and praise, as the dog learns that
> noises are no threat. Eventually you can end the treats/praise altogether.
>
> But remember that this will only work if you *don't* give in to the
> temptation to correct or punish him. That's especially difficult in the
> beginning, when he still barks for a while before coming to you. But if
> you
> persist, you'll succeed.
>
> Rox
> (who owns a very territorial dog who has learned not to bark at noises)
>
>

Hello. I just wanted to say thanks for the advice. I have been trying the
technique ever since I read it and it is working. Once I started with the
calling him and treats, he stopped barking and came over to me to see what I
wanted, and the treat was much better than worrying about a silly noise.
thanks again.
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"MauiJNP" <jmh1116 DeleteThis @ptd.net> wrote in message
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[snip]
> > Call your dog to you in a calm, friendly voice: "Buster? Come here,
> > sweetie?". Offer him a treat when he shuts up and comes to you. "Good
> > boy!"[snip]
> > The idea is that you teach him that noises aren't bad. Noises are OK.
[snip]
> >
> > Rox
> > (who owns a very territorial dog who has learned not to bark at noises)
> >
>
> Hello. I just wanted to say thanks for the advice. I have been trying
the
> technique ever since I read it and it is working. Once I started with the
> calling him and treats, he stopped barking and came over to me to see what
I
> wanted, and the treat was much better than worrying about a silly noise.
> thanks again.

I'm so glad to hear it is working well. Many people are reluctant to try
this method, as they believe their dogs will think they're being given
treats for barking. But my own experience has taught me that breaking and
redirecting the dog's focus is very effective. But, like somebody else
correctly stated, a dog who barks out of fear is another matter. In such a
case it's necessary to create a safe distance between the dog and the
perceived danger before one starts with the refocusing part of the work.

I hope you succeed in reprogramming your dog. Well actually, I'm quite
convinced you will. ;-)

Rox
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