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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 6:23 pm
Post subject: springer pups just arrived help!!
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Hi all,
Im new to this group and not too sure if it's where Im supposed to be :-/
We have a three yr old English Springer dog (black n white) and an 18mth old
English Springer bitch (liver n white) who mated and today she produced 8
wonderful big healthy puppies (4 of each colour mix)...they're huge and
she's very tired! She looks so thin now she's had her pups, but it's not
just that she's not pregnant anymore, she's bony..She was eating really well
all during her pregnancy but still she's very thin now, obviously she'll
need lots of care and attention in the coming weeks, Im looking for
suggestions foodwise to help build her up and should I get her a vitamin
supplement of some kind? Can anyone point me to a website which deals with
such things and if Im in the wrong group perhaps recommend the one I should
be in.
Thanks in advance
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 6:34 pm
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Hi,
You should have been feeding your bitch a puppy/rearing/breeding diet for
the past three weeks or so.
You now need to introduce it gradually over the next week but let her eat as
much of her usual food as she wants -gradually replacing an extra 10% per
day with the higher nutritional value food.
Red Mills puppy should be available where you are.
Your bitch is too young for breeding & some of the nutrition which should
have gone into her own development has gone into the pups.
There are plenty of websites -just Google "puppy rearing". Why didn't you
do this ten weeks ago?
Sue
"Shannie" <shannie.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
> Im new to this group and not too sure if it's where Im supposed to be :-/
> We have a three yr old English Springer dog (black n white) and an 18mth
old
> English Springer bitch (liver n white) who mated and today she produced 8
> wonderful big healthy puppies (4 of each colour mix)...they're huge and
> she's very tired! She looks so thin now she's had her pups, but it's not
> just that she's not pregnant anymore, she's bony..She was eating really
well
> all during her pregnancy but still she's very thin now, obviously she'll
> need lots of care and attention in the coming weeks, Im looking for
> suggestions foodwise to help build her up and should I get her a vitamin
> supplement of some kind? Can anyone point me to a website which deals
with
> such things and if Im in the wrong group perhaps recommend the one I
should
> be in.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Shan (Ireland)
>
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 7:44 pm
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"Sue" <nospamback.TakeThisOut@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> You should have been feeding your bitch a puppy/rearing/breeding diet for
> the past three weeks or so.
> You now need to introduce it gradually over the next week but let her eat
as
> much of her usual food as she wants -gradually replacing an extra 10% per
> day with the higher nutritional value food.
> Red Mills puppy should be available where you are.
>
> Your bitch is too young for breeding & some of the nutrition which should
> have gone into her own development has gone into the pups.
> There are plenty of websites -just Google "puppy rearing". Why didn't you
> do this ten weeks ago?
> Sue
Thanks sue,
appreciate the help.
I'd planned to do all this, but my mum died suddenly some weeks ago and I've
been reeling from that, some things just got left undone and time just ran
out :)
Again, thanks for the help.
Shan
>
>
> "Shannie" <shannie.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:bnh30v$10n3m8$1@ID-186593.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Hi all,
> > Im new to this group and not too sure if it's where Im supposed to be
:-/
> > We have a three yr old English Springer dog (black n white) and an 18mth
> old
> > English Springer bitch (liver n white) who mated and today she produced
8
> > wonderful big healthy puppies (4 of each colour mix)...they're huge and
> > she's very tired! She looks so thin now she's had her pups, but it's not
> > just that she's not pregnant anymore, she's bony..She was eating really
> well
> > all during her pregnancy but still she's very thin now, obviously she'll
> > need lots of care and attention in the coming weeks, Im looking for
> > suggestions foodwise to help build her up and should I get her a vitamin
> > supplement of some kind? Can anyone point me to a website which deals
> with
> > such things and if Im in the wrong group perhaps recommend the one I
> should
> > be in.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Shan (Ireland)
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 2:20 pm
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Hello again Shan,
You need the tails docking & dewclaws removing before the pups are five days
old - Not something that can be put off till later.
My sympathy for your loss - I appreciate how it can knock everything else
aside.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:20 pm
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"Sue" <nospamback.RemoveThis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hello again Shan,
> You need the tails docking & dewclaws removing before the pups are five
days
> old - Not something that can be put off till later.
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> My sympathy for your loss - I appreciate how it can knock everything else
> aside.
> Sue
>
They don't *need* their tails cut off & they will actually find them quite
useful in later life when they want to play, run, balance & communicate with
other dogs ~ dew claws have their uses too for gripping and handling objects
~ but if you want to fit in with a popular open market, you don't have long
to get these things done.
Personally, I'd rather buy the whole dog.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:20 pm
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"shelly" <scouvrette RemoveThis @bluemarble.net> wrote in message
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> yes, but if they are floppy and prone to snagging on things,
> they should be removed when the dog is speutered. the post-op
> discomfort will be minimal and could prevent a painful injury
> in the future.
I agree with your post. Dew claws should be done during the first few days
of life ideally. The *can* be done during s/n later but by then they've had
time to grow more a part of the leg. At a few days old, they clip off
easily.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:20 pm
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In article <vpqnho1ssoau52.DeleteThis@corp.supernews.com>,
Kathleen <khhfm.DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote:
>I make a skid boot that
>protects the dew claws as well as the stops, but I am still eternally
>grateful to my dogs' breeder who routinely removes the dew claws on all
>of her pups.
Actually, with sleddogs one of the reasons that dewclaws are
removed is to prevent booties from causing a dewclaw to rub
against the leg, causing abrasion injuries/rawness.
Bootying the dog may cause rubbing injuries if there's a
dewclaw inside.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:20 pm
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shelly wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Diana wrote:
>>& they will actually find them quite useful in later life
>>when they want to play, run, balance & communicate with other
>>dogs ~
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> good lord. docked dogs are at absolutely *NO* disadvantage
> when playing, running, balancing, or communicating with other
> dogs.
Respectfully disagree. Docked ACDs are at a disadvantage when playing
and running (both involve balancing), judging from the way undocked ACDs
use their tails to maneuver and balance.
Of course, ACDs also have lovely, fat, well-insulated and thickly-coated
tails that are not easily damaged by anything less than a lawn-mower.
And docked ACDs, like Stumpies, *can* work, so it's not like you
completely remove the working ability with the tail.
As for buying a "whole" dog, I neither buy dogs nor leave them "whole".
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:20 pm
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"shelly" <scouvrette.TakeThisOut@bluemarble.net> wrote in message
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for some
> breeds, like Boxers, who have thin, whip-like tails with no
> layer of fat and no undercoat, the risk of them damaging their
> tails is too great for me to recommend leaving them undocked.
> ditto working hunting dogs, where the breeder has no idea at 3
> days old which pups will be going to working homes and which
> will be going to pet homes.
For the benefit of others reading: Surely you don't mean to imply that just
*any* working hunting dogs should have their tails docked for fear of
damage.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:20 pm
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Oh, forgot to explain the new id & email. That brand new email account I
created just for usenet was getting over 200 emails a day so I ditched it
and created a new one. I've also been seeing more Taras on usenet so I
decided to change my id at the same time since I've never much cared for my
last initial.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:20 pm
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"Melinda Shore" <shore.DeleteThis@panix.com> wrote in message
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> Actually, with sleddogs one of the reasons that dewclaws are
> removed is to prevent booties from causing a dewclaw to rub
> against the leg, causing abrasion injuries/rawness.
> Bootying the dog may cause rubbing injuries if there's a
> dewclaw inside.
Or the dewclaws may slip out, leaving the boot to chafe and lacerate between
the dewclaw and the rest of the foot. It's a mess.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:20 pm
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"shelly" <scouvrette.RemoveThis@bluemarble.net> wrote in message
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> no! normally docked hunting breeds of litters that were bred
> specifically to work (e.g. not primarily pets-only breedings
> and definitely not non-docked breeds). is that better?
Yep.
> though Orson would look soooo cute with a stumpy rumpy,
> dontcha think?
Naw. It would just hang there like a weird little forlorn finger, moving
absent-mindedly back and forth. It's like a fifth appendage, that thing is.
And useful as a rudder while swimming.
Besides, Lab tail = better chance of sweeping those hors d'ouevres off the
coffee table and into Lab mouth.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:20 pm
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"shelly" <scouvrette RemoveThis @bluemarble.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Cate wrote:
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> >Or the dewclaws may slip out, leaving the boot to chafe and
> >lacerate between the dewclaw and the rest of the foot. It's a
> >mess.
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> okay, that gave my pinkie toes sympathy pains. ow!
Bad Cate! for doing that to Mr. Orson.
Cate
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:20 pm
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"shelly" <scouvrette.DeleteThis@bluemarble.net> wrote in message
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> so, is this where i get to call you a big meanypants for
> asking me to speak clearly and intelligibly?
Yep.
> >Naw. It would just hang there like a weird little forlorn
> >finger, moving absent-mindedly back and forth. It's like a
> >fifth appendage, that thing is.
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> aw, now that sounds pitiful!
It would be. And of course, here's where I didn't write clearly. The tail is
not only *like* an appendage; it *is* one.
> better for him, you mean.
Yes. But if he's going to go around touching things with his tail, he might
as well clear them away and save me the trouble.
elliott has also perfected the
> coffee table clean sweep. hrmph. worse, i have a futon couch
> (sits low to the floor). elliott has a knack for walking past
> me and nonchalantly flicking his tail into my mouth. <ptoui!>
They do that on purpose, you know. Bastards.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:37 pm
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"Melinda Shore" wrote:
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> Bootying the dog may cause rubbing injuries if there's a
> dewclaw inside.
Yep! As you may recall, Rocsi had surgery on her foot last year to remove
a wart which had grown between her toes. She had to wear a bootie-type
bandage for a couple of weeks, and developed a *nasty* sore on the inside of
her leg from the dewclaw being smushed into it. All of my dogs have always
had their dewclaws, and have run in the woods hunting. In 30 or more years
I've had exactly one dewclaw injury- a cracked nail on Morag, whose nails
are very long due to not ever being cut during the first 11 months of her
life. If the claw had been normal length, the injury would not have
occurred.
I will add, however, that all of my dogs have also had normal (i.e.
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