Are they a new species?

On Jun 21, 7:27 pm, ZilentKnight <ZilentKni....TakeThisOut@marionettespieger.net>
wrote:
> Dog breeders can selectively mate their animals so that eventually the
> descendants have shorter legs or longer hair than their forebears.
> However, the changes dog breeders can produce often result from losses
> in gene function. For example, the dachshund's small size is caused by a
> failure of normal development of cartilage, resulting in dwarfism.
>
> While the word "species" is used frequently, it should be noted that
> this term is not found in the Bible book of Genesis, which uses the much
> more inclusive term "kind." Often, what scientists choose to call the
> evolution of a new species is simply a matter of variation within a
> "kind," as the word is used in the Genesis account.
>
> pitbull-> dog.


What about when you breed two populations apart for so long that they
can no longer produce viable offspring together? Will Jesus use his
magic to reset their DNA or something?
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> ZilentKnight wrote:
>> Dog breeders can selectively mate their animals so that eventually
>> the descendants have shorter legs or longer hair than their forebears.
>> However, the changes dog breeders can produce often result from losses
>> in gene function. For example, the dachshund's small size is caused
>> by a failure of normal development of cartilage, resulting in
>> dwarfism.
>> While the word "species" is used frequently, it should be noted that
>> this term is not found in the Bible book of Genesis, which uses the
>> much more inclusive term "kind." Often, what scientists choose to
>> call the evolution of a new species is simply a matter of variation
>> within a "kind," as the word is used in the Genesis account.
>>
> Neither is intelligence. I see you follow the bible's teaching.

That's because Antonio aka jabriol is a Jehovah's Witless CREATIONIST. I see
he's now trying to get more people involved in his endless anti-evolution BS
by cross-posting to dog groups.
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Mike Painter wrote:
> ZilentKnight wrote:
>> Dog breeders can selectively mate their animals so that eventually
>> the descendants have shorter legs or longer hair than their forebears.
>> However, the changes dog breeders can produce often result from losses
>> in gene function. For example, the dachshund’s small size is caused
>> by a failure of normal development of cartilage, resulting in
>> dwarfism.
>> While the word “species” is used frequently, it should be noted that
>> this term is not found in the Bible book of Genesis, which uses the
>> much more inclusive term “kind.” Often, what scientists choose to
>> call the evolution of a new species is simply a matter of variation
>> within a “kind,” as the word is used in the Genesis account.
>>
> Neither is intelligence. I see you follow the bible's teaching.
>
>

What is the bible teaching? here is a fact, nothing is new. An
observation from a sheephearder. and you guys can't figure it out?
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Chris H. Fleming wrote:
> On Jun 21, 7:27 pm, ZilentKnight <ZilentKni....TakeThisOut@marionettespieger.net>
> wrote:
>> Dog breeders can selectively mate their animals so that eventually the
>> descendants have shorter legs or longer hair than their forebears.
>> However, the changes dog breeders can produce often result from losses
>> in gene function. For example, the dachshund's small size is caused by a
>> failure of normal development of cartilage, resulting in dwarfism.
>>
>> While the word "species" is used frequently, it should be noted that
>> this term is not found in the Bible book of Genesis, which uses the much
>> more inclusive term "kind." Often, what scientists choose to call the
>> evolution of a new species is simply a matter of variation within a
>> "kind," as the word is used in the Genesis account.
>>
>> pitbull-> dog.
>
>
> What about when you breed two populations apart for so long that they
> can no longer produce viable offspring together? Will Jesus use his
> magic to reset their DNA or something?
>

like the great dane and the chihuahua? which of the two is not a dog?
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ZilentKnight wrote:
> Chris H. Fleming wrote:
>> On Jun 21, 7:27 pm, ZilentKnight <ZilentKni....TakeThisOut@marionettespieger.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Dog breeders can selectively mate their animals so that
>>> eventually the descendants have shorter legs or longer hair than
>>> their forebears. However, the changes dog breeders can produce
>>> often result from losses in gene function. For example, the
>>> dachshund's small size is caused by a failure of normal development
>>> of cartilage, resulting in dwarfism. While the word "species" is used
>>> frequently, it should be noted that
>>> this term is not found in the Bible book of Genesis, which uses the
>>> much more inclusive term "kind." Often, what scientists choose to
>>> call the evolution of a new species is simply a matter of variation
>>> within a "kind," as the word is used in the Genesis account.
>>>
>>> pitbull-> dog.
>>
>>
>> What about when you breed two populations apart for so long that they
>> can no longer produce viable offspring together? Will Jesus use his
>> magic to reset their DNA or something?
>>
>
> like the great dane and the chihuahua? which of the two is not a dog?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species
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On Jun 22, 12:27 am, ZilentKnight <ZilentKni....RemoveThis@marionettespieger.net>
wrote:
> Dog breeders can selectively mate their animals so that eventually the
> descendants have shorter legs or longer hair than their forebears.
> However, the changes dog breeders can produce often result from losses
> in gene function. For example, the dachshund's small size is caused by a
> failure of normal development of cartilage, resulting in dwarfism.
>
> While the word "species" is used frequently, it should be noted that
> this term is not found in the Bible book of Genesis, which uses the much
> more inclusive term "kind." Often, what scientists choose to call the
> evolution of a new species is simply a matter of variation within a
> "kind," as the word is used in the Genesis account.
>
> pitbull-> dog.

http://www.z-builder.com/rpg/rpgnet/strawman.jpg
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:27:53 +0000, ZilentKnight wrote:

> While the word "species" is used frequently, it should be noted that
> this term is not found in the Bible book of Genesis

That's because they were ignorant, pre-scientific goat herders.

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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On Jun 22, 5:49 pm, ZilentKnight <ZilentKni....DeleteThis@marionettespieger.net>
wrote:
> Mike Painter wrote:
> > ZilentKnight wrote:
> >> Chris H. Fleming wrote:
> >>> On Jun 21, 7:27 pm, ZilentKnight <ZilentKni....DeleteThis@marionettespieger.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Dog breeders can selectively mate their animals so that
> >>>> eventually the descendants have shorter legs or longer hair than
> >>>> their forebears. However, the changes dog breeders can produce
> >>>> often result from losses in gene function. For example, the
> >>>> dachshund's small size is caused by a failure of normal development
> >>>> of cartilage, resulting in dwarfism. While the word "species" is used
> >>>> frequently, it should be noted that
> >>>> this term is not found in the Bible book of Genesis, which uses the
> >>>> much more inclusive term "kind." Often, what scientists choose to
> >>>> call the evolution of a new species is simply a matter of variation
> >>>> within a "kind," as the word is used in the Genesis account.
>
> >>>> pitbull-> dog.
>
> >>> What about when you breed two populations apart for so long that they
> >>> can no longer produce viable offspring together? Will Jesus use his
> >>> magic to reset their DNA or something?
>
> >> like the great dane and the chihuahua? which of the two is not a dog?
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species
>
> read it before and quote to BudiKaka
>
> here something you may have missed
>
> Difficulty of defining "species" and identifying particular species
> It has been suggested that this article or section be merged into
> Species problem. (Discuss)
> The greenish warbler demonstrates the concept of a ring species.It is
> surprisingly difficult to define the word "species" in a way that
> applies to all naturally occurring organisms, and the debate among
> biologists about how to define "species" and how to identify actual
> species is called the species problem.
>
> Most textbooks define a species as all the individual organisms of a
> natural population that generally interbreed at maturity in the wild and
> whose interbreeding produces fertile offspring. Various parts of this
> definition are there to exclude some unusual or artificial matings:
>
> Those which occur only in captivity (when the animal's normal mating
> partners may not be available) or as a result of deliberate human action.
> Animals which may be physically and physiologically capable of mating
> but do not normally do so in the wild, for whatever reason.
> Animals whose offspring are normally sterile. For example, mules and
> hinnies have never (so far) produced further offspring when mated with a
> creature of the same type (a mule with a mule, or a hinny with a hinny).


Fortunately evolution does not hinge upon _any_ concept of species.
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ZilentKnight wrote:
> Dog breeders can selectively mate their animals so that eventually the
> descendants have shorter legs or longer hair than their forebears.
> However, the changes dog breeders can produce often result from losses
> in gene function. For example, the dachshund’s small size is caused by a
> failure of normal development of cartilage, resulting in dwarfism.
>
> While the word “species” is used frequently, it should be noted that
> this term is not found in the Bible book of Genesis, which uses the much
> more inclusive term “kind.” Often, what scientists choose to call the
> evolution of a new species is simply a matter of variation within a
> “kind,” as the word is used in the Genesis account.
>
Well, if you have a definition, let's hear it
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ZilentKnight wrote:
> Mike Painter wrote:
>> ZilentKnight wrote:
>>> Dog breeders can selectively mate their animals so that eventually
>>> the descendants have shorter legs or longer hair than their forebears.
>>> However, the changes dog breeders can produce often result from losses
>>> in gene function. For example, the dachshund’s small size is caused
>>> by a failure of normal development of cartilage, resulting in
>>> dwarfism.
>>> While the word “species” is used frequently, it should be noted that
>>> this term is not found in the Bible book of Genesis, which uses the
>>> much more inclusive term “kind.” Often, what scientists choose to
>>> call the evolution of a new species is simply a matter of variation
>>> within a “kind,” as the word is used in the Genesis account.
>>>
>> Neither is intelligence. I see you follow the bible's teaching.
>>
>
> What is the bible teaching? here is a fact, nothing is new. An
> observation from a sheephearder. and you guys can't figure it out?
Observation from a sheepherder? Is that the one about mating sheep
before striped poles gives stripes sheep or something equally ridiculous?
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"Ash" <ash.amanic.TakeThisOut@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:hpXei.6699$tj3.6495@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
> ZilentKnight wrote:
>> What is the bible teaching? here is a fact, nothing is new. An
>> observation from a sheephearder. and you guys can't figure it out?

> Observation from a sheepherder? Is that the one about mating sheep before
> striped poles gives stripes sheep or something equally ridiculous?

Yes! Can you believe it? And they believe that nonsense. Don't forget the
staff (walking stick) that turned in to a snake and crawled away and the
talking donkey.
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Mike Painter wrote:
> ZilentKnight wrote:
>> Chris H. Fleming wrote:
>>> On Jun 21, 7:27 pm, ZilentKnight <ZilentKni....RemoveThis@marionettespieger.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Dog breeders can selectively mate their animals so that
>>>> eventually the descendants have shorter legs or longer hair than
>>>> their forebears. However, the changes dog breeders can produce
>>>> often result from losses in gene function. For example, the
>>>> dachshund's small size is caused by a failure of normal development
>>>> of cartilage, resulting in dwarfism. While the word "species" is used
>>>> frequently, it should be noted that
>>>> this term is not found in the Bible book of Genesis, which uses the
>>>> much more inclusive term "kind." Often, what scientists choose to
>>>> call the evolution of a new species is simply a matter of variation
>>>> within a "kind," as the word is used in the Genesis account.
>>>>
>>>> pitbull-> dog.
>>>
>>> What about when you breed two populations apart for so long that they
>>> can no longer produce viable offspring together? Will Jesus use his
>>> magic to reset their DNA or something?
>>>
>> like the great dane and the chihuahua? which of the two is not a dog?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species
>
>

read it before and quote to BudiKaka

here something you may have missed

Difficulty of defining "species" and identifying particular species
It has been suggested that this article or section be merged into
Species problem. (Discuss)
The greenish warbler demonstrates the concept of a ring species.It is
surprisingly difficult to define the word "species" in a way that
applies to all naturally occurring organisms, and the debate among
biologists about how to define "species" and how to identify actual
species is called the species problem.

Most textbooks define a species as all the individual organisms of a
natural population that generally interbreed at maturity in the wild and
whose interbreeding produces fertile offspring. Various parts of this
definition are there to exclude some unusual or artificial matings:

Those which occur only in captivity (when the animal's normal mating
partners may not be available) or as a result of deliberate human action.
Animals which may be physically and physiologically capable of mating
but do not normally do so in the wild, for whatever reason.
Animals whose offspring are normally sterile. For example, mules and
hinnies have never (so far) produced further offspring when mated with a
creature of the same type (a mule with a mule, or a hinny with a hinny).
 >> Stay informed about: Are they a new species?