purebred doberman pinscher pups for sale(arizona)

jkoangel RemoveThis @hotmail.com wrote:
> My friend has 4 purebred doberman pinscher puppies for sale. They are
> $800 each w/ papers. I think they're about 8 weeks old. They have their
> shots
> and I believe they are spade and neutered. I don't know much else
> but if you'd like info please e-mail me at jkoangel RemoveThis @hotmail.com and
> I'll get the answers for
> you. Thanks!
>

Your "friend" should know that this is a discussion group, not a For
Sale group. Spamming the group with for sale ads gets you a lot of
discussion. Perhaps you should ask your "friend" why he bred these
puppies, and what the results are for vWD DNA, OFA hips, OFA elbows,
incidence of cardiomyopathy, hypothyroidism, and Wobblers is in the sire
and dam...
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> at least they are spayed and neutered...

At 8 weeks? And you think that's _good_? It's obvious you don't know much
about the fear imprint period in Dobe's.
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"Chuck U. Farley" <chuckufarley DeleteThis @dyslexia.com> wrote in message
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>> at least they are spayed and neutered...
>
> At 8 weeks? And you think that's _good_? It's obvious you don't know much
> about the fear imprint period in Dobe's.

Well, balancing the "fear imprint period" which doesn't necessarily mean
anything, versus the chances of these backyard bred Dobes being sold to
other homes that will breed them and produce more puppies, I'll go for the
spay/neuter, thank you. Now, if these were well bred dogs, then no, no need
to do an early speuter, because they would be carefully placed in
responsible homes, not hawked over the internet.

Christy
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:05:52 -0400, Shelly <shelly.RemoveThis@cat-sidh.net>
wrote:

>But, hey, the pups are adorable, and that's what matters, right?

You forgot about the $800 per dog. That matters, too, so much so that
I'll bet it's the main reason these puppies exist.

--
Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy,
so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay
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> > At 8 weeks? And you think that's _good_? It's obvious you don't know
much
> > about the fear imprint period in Dobe's.
>
> Well, balancing the "fear imprint period" which doesn't necessarily mean
> anything, versus the chances of these backyard bred Dobes being sold to

I would beg to differ about the fear imprint period not meaning anything,
especially in Dobe's.

> other homes that will breed them and produce more puppies, I'll go for the
> spay/neuter, thank you. Now, if these were well bred dogs, then no, no
need

So you think a byb is actually going to spend the money to neuter 8 week old
puppies? Does that make sense in your world? Since the sole motivation for a
byb is to _make_ money, it doesn't stand to reason they're going to _spend_
money neutering them. A point the op's f/u proved.

> to do an early speuter, because they would be carefully placed in
> responsible homes, not hawked over the internet.

My only point is that anyone who would spay an 8 week old Dobe obviously has
no earthly idea what they're doing anyway and that anyone who would think
"at least they're spayed or neutered" would be a _good_ thing in such a
situation, well they would be just as ignorant as the op for posting this on
Usenet.
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In article <PwNwg.13049$Ur.5630@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
Chuck U. Farley <chuckufarley RemoveThis @dyslexia.com> wrote:
>So you think a byb is actually going to spend the money to neuter 8 week old
>puppies?

Maybe - it's not black-and-white. I think most people who
breed believe that they're breeding responsibly and that can
be expressed in a number of different ways. Further, just
because someone's not trying to maximize their profits
doesn't mean that they made responsible breeding choices.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - shore RemoveThis @panix.com

Bad policies lead to bad results.
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Chuck U. Farley wrote:
>>>At 8 weeks? And you think that's _good_? It's obvious you don't know

>>
>>Well, balancing the "fear imprint period" which doesn't necessarily mean
>>anything, versus the chances of these backyard bred Dobes being sold to
>
>
> I would beg to differ about the fear imprint period not meaning anything,
> especially in Dobe's.

Dobermans don't have a "magic" fear period that is somehow different and
unique from any other breed. Further, if an individual dog does go
through a fear period it can happen at any time. And yet further still,
I don't see how getting an operation would make that period any better
or worse one way or the other. With the few I've had who have gone
through a phase like this I've ignored it and carried on with life as usual.

>
>
> My only point is that anyone who would spay an 8 week old Dobe obviously has
> no earthly idea what they're doing anyway and that anyone who would think
> "at least they're spayed or neutered" would be a _good_ thing in such a
> situation, well they would be just as ignorant as the op for posting this on
> Usenet.

I'm very much against early spay/neuter of ANY dog of ANY breed.
However, in cases where the dogs might be used for breeding later on by
idiots, yep, the early spay is better than the consequences.

Oh and I don't know you, but I've had dobermans since 1982...
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"Chuck U. Farley" <chuckufarley.TakeThisOut@dyslexia.com> wrote in message
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> I would beg to differ about the fear imprint period not meaning anything,
> especially in Dobe's.

I haven't raised any Dobes (note the proper plurality there, BTW.) But I've
raised several puppies of other breeds, primarily Shelties, and have not
found there to be much truth in the "fear period" theory. We'll have to
agree to disagree.


> So you think a byb is actually going to spend the money to neuter 8 week
> old
> puppies? Does that make sense in your world?

Hey, the original poster made the original claim, why would I argue? No,
most BYBs won't do that, but I wasn't debating that point.

Since the sole motivation for a
> byb is to _make_ money, it doesn't stand to reason they're going to
> _spend_
> money neutering them. A point the op's f/u proved.

And your point is...?

> My only point is that anyone who would spay an 8 week old Dobe obviously
> has
> no earthly idea what they're doing anyway and that anyone who would think
> "at least they're spayed or neutered" would be a _good_ thing in such a
> situation, well they would be just as ignorant as the op for posting this
> on
> Usenet.

Sorry, I'll stand by my belief that early speuter is a good thing when
dealing with poorly bred and poorly placed dogs, whether they be purebred or
mutts. You can call me ignorant if you wish, but I think that terminology
falls right back at ya.

Christy
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"Chuck U. Farley" <chuckufarley.DeleteThis@dyslexia.com> wrote in message
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>
> So you think a byb is actually going to spend the money to neuter 8 week
> old
> puppies? Does that make sense in your world?

I didn't see anyone argung that point at all. This doesn't make sense.

> Since the sole motivation for a
> byb is to _make_ money, it doesn't stand to reason they're going to
> _spend_
> money neutering them. A point the op's f/u proved.

Actually, the "sole" reason for a byb to breed is not one thing. There are
many and varied reasons. In my experience, the ego breeding far surpasses
the breeding for monetary purposes. In fact, making the breeding more
expensive could fool an ignorant ego breeder into thinking they are
actually being responsible about it.

> anyone who would think
> "at least they're spayed or neutered" would be a _good_ thing in such a
> situation, well they would be just as ignorant as the op for posting this
> on
> Usenet.

I'm going to call that bullshit for what it is.

Intelligent people can disagree without being called ignorant. And you
happen to be arguing with some highly intelligent, and experienced,
people....some of whom have been involved in Dobes for decades.

Tara
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"Chuck U. Farley" <chuckufarley.TakeThisOut@dyslexia.com> wrote in message
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> And exactly how do you know these puppies are poorly bred and will be
> poorly
> placed?

As far as placement, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that
selling via Usenet newsgroups isn't a particularly good way to find
appropriate homes. The internet is not generally a medium for placing
puppies responsibly and most responsible breeders do not need to advertise
in this manner. They may make connections with potential homes via websites
but those are normally used for information purposes and any interviewing,
home checks etc. are done subsequently.
What indications do you have that these puppies are NOT poorly bred? The ad
has huge red flags and zero indication of responsibility. A "friend" is
advertising them. There is no mention of anything done to prove breeding
quality - no show or working titles, no health testing. Just puppies and
price. This is not how a responsible breeder offers information on a litter.
I can't say you'll be missed when you go, Chuck. It isn't like you came in
here interested in conversation, except maybe about the huge chip on your
shoulder.

Christy
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