Is there a way to pull more frequently than once an hour?

Wolfgang Jäth <jawo.usenet.008 RemoveThis @goldmail.de> wrote:

> "David" <davidd31415 RemoveThis @yoowhoo.com> schrieb ...

>> If I could pull news every 5 or 10 minutes perhaps I could just wait for
>> the news pull and watch the message then?
>
> Please read 'Hamster => Help => FAQ => Conserving network resources' prior;
> to have regard for other users, you should pull not more frequently than 30
> min for news, and 15 min for mail.

Confirmed.

However there may be a different situation. As long as a user sits at
his computer, and (s)he starts the news pull manually, this is not a
real problem to the network resources. If he starts the pull again and
again, the user gets bored very quickly. This is the "self-protection"
of the resources :-)

David wants to post a message to the net, and receive his /own/ post
back again. This way he can see this in his OE, and apply some rules to
his own post. So it does not hurt to
a) post all messages from OE to Hamster
b) start the posts from Hamster to the net, possibly combined with the
pull of new articles
c) start the next pull of articles manually, to have Hamster pull the
articles just posted.

But the steps b) and c) can be combined via a script. First post all
articles from Hamster to Servers, then wait a little time. After this
pull all new articles.
The time to wait depends on the external servers. Some offer a posted
article immediately after the post, others need up to some minutes to
finish this process.


The important point as above is: The pull of articles on an automated
base should not happen more often than twice an hour. But manual
interaction is accepted.


Good Byte,

Wilfried (from Hamburg)
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On 29/12/2007 in message <4776512c.258531562.TakeThisOut@id-4017.my-fqdn.de> Wilfried
Kramer wrote:

>David wants to post a message to the net, and receive his own post
>back again. This way he can see this in his OE, and apply some rules to
>his own post.

It would be useful if Hamster pulled posts from the server when it is
itself polled for new posts.
I belong to at least one group that is virtually real time.

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"Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I belong to at least one group that is virtually real time.

It may be near real time, when all users connect to the same server.


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"Wilfried Kramer" <noswen.TakeThisOut@arcor.de> wrote in message
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> David wants to post a message to the net, and receive his /own/ post
> back again. This way he can see this in his OE, and apply some rules to
> his own post. So it does not hurt to
> a) post all messages from OE to Hamster
> b) start the posts from Hamster to the net, possibly combined with the
> pull of new articles
> c) start the next pull of articles manually, to have Hamster pull the
> articles just posted.
>
> But the steps b) and c) can be combined via a script. First post all
> articles from Hamster to Servers, then wait a little time. After this
> pull all new articles.
> The time to wait depends on the external servers. Some offer a posted
> article immediately after the post, others need up to some minutes to
> finish this process.
>
>

I understand the importance of not pulling too often now but yes, a script
that would perform a pull each time an article was posted to Hamster would
be perfect. When I perform a pull and the article is posted at the
beginning, it is read by the time the newsgroup is pulled. I'm not sure if
this would be the case with the first couple groups on my pull list.

Even better would be a script that would do the following:

- post when Hamster receives a message to post
- wait 10 seconds
- pull the group(s) the post was posted to

Is that possible?

David
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"David" <davidd31415.RemoveThis@yoowhoo.com> schrieb ...
>
> I understand the importance of not pulling too often now but yes, a script
> that would perform a pull each time an article was posted to Hamster would
> be perfect.

I don't think so. If you are reading news, you will answer plenty of
articles within a very short time. If the Hamster would pull after every
article he's receiving, you would cause plenty of pulls. too.

>When I perform a pull and the article is posted at the beginning, it is
>read by the time the newsgroup is pulled. I'm not sure if this would be
>the case with the first couple groups on my pull list.
>
> Even better would be a script that would do the following:
>
> - post when Hamster receives a message to post
> - wait 10 seconds
> - pull the group(s) the post was posted to

10 sec are IMHO too fast; even if you were answering very quick, like
mentioned above, you wouldn't send the next answer below 10 seconds. I'd
say, you should wait at least 1 min after each article or so (keep in mind,
that for the one or other answer, you maybe need some additional seconds to
think over).

But on the other hand, then it would not fit your intentions any more, I
think. :-/

BTW: Even if Hamster would pull the group, like you inted, you also have to
pull each time the group within your reader. Would you /really/ execute
that? Each time?

Wolfgang
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On 16/01/2008 in message <fmkgjr.18s.3 DeleteThis @ID-4636.user.dfncis.de> Wolfgang
Jäth wrote:

>BTW: Even if Hamster would pull the group, like you inted, you also have
>to pull each time the group within your reader. Would you really execute
>that? Each time?

I like that idea, each time I pull posts in my news reader it would kick
Hamster into life.

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"Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb ...
> Jäth wrote:
>
>>BTW: Even if Hamster would pull the group, like you inted, you also have
>>to pull each time the group within your reader. Would you really execute
>>that? Each time?
>
> I like that idea, each time I pull posts in my news reader it would kick
> Hamster into life.

I fear, that wouldn't help very much. At least, as long as Hamster can't
pull automatically *prior* to your client's pulling. Since several years,
they're working hard on soothsaying functions for hamster, but until now,
they weren't able to put any into proper operation. Sorry. :-)

Wolfgang
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"Wolfgang Jäth" <jawo.usenet.008 DeleteThis @goldmail.de> wrote in message
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> "David" <davidd31415 DeleteThis @yoowhoo.com> schrieb ...
>>
>> I understand the importance of not pulling too often now but yes, a
>> script
>> that would perform a pull each time an article was posted to Hamster
>> would
>> be perfect.
>
> I don't think so. If you are reading news, you will answer plenty of
> articles within a very short time. If the Hamster would pull after every
> article he's receiving, you would cause plenty of pulls. too.
>
>>When I perform a pull and the article is posted at the beginning, it is
>>read by the time the newsgroup is pulled. I'm not sure if this would be
>>the case with the first couple groups on my pull list.
>>
>> Even better would be a script that would do the following:
>>
>> - post when Hamster receives a message to post
>> - wait 10 seconds
>> - pull the group(s) the post was posted to
>
> 10 sec are IMHO too fast; even if you were answering very quick, like
> mentioned above, you wouldn't send the next answer below 10 seconds. I'd
> say, you should wait at least 1 min after each article or so (keep in
> mind, that for the one or other answer, you maybe need some additional
> seconds to think over).
>

I would want this for new posts only, not answers (replies). The reason is
because I want to turn on a watch for all new posts I make.

Usually I start a pull after a new post just so I can turn on the watch. I
don't do anything else in between.

Now that I think about it, I can probably use an Outlook Express message
rule to do this though- wish I would have thought of that earlier!


> But on the other hand, then it would not fit your intentions any more, I
> think. :-/
>
> BTW: Even if Hamster would pull the group, like you inted, you also have
> to pull each time the group within your reader. Would you /really/ execute
> that? Each time?
>

Usually I just change from one group to another after I execute the pull and
that reads in the new messages. This doesn't take long for most of my
groups. I think I realized a much simpiler solution above though.

Thanks for the continued support here Wolfgang. I greatly appreciate it.

David


> Wolfgang
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>
>
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On 16/01/2008 in message <fmll0l.2n8.2 RemoveThis @ID-4636.user.dfncis.de> Wolfgang
Jäth wrote:

>I fear, that wouldn't help very much. At least, as long as Hamster can't
>pull automatically prior to your client's pulling. Since several years,
>they're working hard on soothsaying functions for hamster, but until now,
>they weren't able to put any into proper operation. Sorry. :-)

It can only be a question of time. Having worked for a German company for
many years I have absolute faith in the abilities of their technical
people :-)

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