over protective dog

"Peter" <pd_hendrickson RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
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> To true. It's certainly a potential puppy though. Apparently that
> doesn't count to your thinking.

A potential puppy (if you must) is not a puppy, either.

> To each their own. Still nothing
> positive to offer I see.

You have a funny definition for the word "positive."

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"lookingaround" <tricia_b.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> As usual, this has gotten way off topic and there is a lot of name
> calling going on. Peter, your dog has become a bit schizy from you
> initial description. Danes are big dogs and as she approaches 3 and
> beyond and gets more confident in her asocial behaviors, she could
> become a big problem. I wouldn't wait until she whelps to get started
> on trying to correct her fearfulness. I would get going on it right
> away.
>
> And be sure that her puppies get lots of positive socialization early
> on to try to overcome her apparent genetic shortcomings.
>

Already working on it, and it's going well. Thanks for the advice.
Peter
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"Shelly" <scouvrette.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter" <pd_hendrickson.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in news:DW%qj.3744
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>> You tell me.
>
> They were all bred by people like you.
>
Thanks Shelly, I don't have the heart or stomach for any more of this. I am
going to use the morning in quiet contemplation of Cappy, the dog in the
ditch, and what kind of world it takes for a life to be of such little
value; and the people that will fight to preserve it and somehow make it
come out right in the end. One way or another.
Karla
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"Suja" <spanaval RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter" <pd_hendrickson RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message:
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>> Well, I've rescued some dogs. Some I've kept, some I've found homes for.
>> What more did you have in mind?
>
> Try being part of an organized rescue. There are always more dogs out
> there
> than are homes. You will see first hand, on a day-in and day-out basis
> what
> sort of problems the breed has due to careless breeding, and how it is the
> dogs that suffer as a result.
>
I have been unable to find arescue org. in my area. After the puppies have
come and gone I intend to volunteer at the local humane soc.
>
>> I understand why I've given that impresion. I really have tried to be
>> responible about this breeding. I'm sorry I did not reach your standards.
>
> *sigh* It isn't about my standards. Jo has said it better than I can,
> and
> more kindly than I would, so I would just link this here:
> http://www.danemist.com/ABCs/articles.html#The%20Real%20Breeder (There is
> a
> ton of Dane specific information there, if you're interested)
>
Thanks
>
>> Any advice you may choose to provide will be greatly appreciated.
>
> I am not a breeder. Others here are far more experienced in giving you
> such
> advice than I am. You need to be able to recognize when your bitch or
> puppies are in trouble. You may need to have more hands in case you do
> end
> up hand-raising puppies (Imagine your bitch having a litter of 8 or 10,
> and
> you having to feed them, help them eliminate and clean them every two
> hours,
> round the clock) Be prepared for making tough decisions (if it came right
> down to it, would you pick your bitch or the puppies?). For instance, ask
> yourself what you would do if you find yourself in these situations:
> http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/breeding/breeder3.html
>
> And please take Dianne up on her offer. You may not know her from Adam,
> but
> she knows what she's doing.
>
> Suja
>
Thanks again, Peter
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"Shelly" <scouvrette RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter" <pd_hendrickson RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in news:DW%qj.3744
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>> You tell me.
>
> They were all bred by people like you.
>
You really are useless, keep trying though. Peter
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"Suja" <spanaval.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter" <pd_hendrickson.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message:
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>> I read what they had to offer on their sites. I saw no connection
> mentioned
>> between color and genetic disorders. It seemed to me that color was
>> purley
>> an esthetic issue, that I do not agree with. If you are aware of a site
> that
>> can explain this to me (in laymens terms) I would greatly appreciate a
> link.
>
> You said you have time on your hands. That's a good thing, because you
> have
> a lot of reading to do, and probably not a lot of time to do it in. The
> GDCA has a recommended reading list (http://www.gdca.org/readinglist.htm).
> While many are geared towards general good dog ownership, and having
> better
> communication and relationship with your dog, there are several that will
> give you information on type, structure, genetics and breeding. The
> reason
> I am recommending that you start there is because coat color genetics in
> Great Danes is not entirely straight forward. The best online resource
> for
> Dane coat color genetics is at the ChromaDane website (whole series of
> articles written by JP Yousha) - http://www.chromadane.com/chlinx.htm
> While you're there, take a look at the dogs on the site, it's an awesome
> collection of Danes that embody what the breed should be - Good looks,
> solid
> temperament and working ability, to boot.
>
>> She'll be 3yrs in May. To my undertanding at that age she is both
>> sexually
>> and fizikly (that one's for you filly) mature. Please correct me if I'm
>> wrong.
>
> You're right about that. Most Danes continue to grow until they're 3.
> You
> do have to realize that your pup being pregnant before she has reached
> physical maturity may have an impact on her. Carrying puppies is very
> hard
> on the body.
>
WOO HOO! I got something right once! The AKC
standards/guidelines/recomendation/requirement stated a min. of 2 yrs old. I
went with that.
>
>> Good advice. I think we can handle it.
>
> Do you know what I meant, though? This gives you an idea:
> http://breedingbetterdogs.com/achiever.html
>
>> No, any advice you can offer will be appreciated.
>
> It's hard to tell without seeing the pedigree, and finding out just what
> colors or mixers are in there. Perhaps, if you take Dianne up on her
> offer,
> she can help you with that.
>
> Suja
>
Thanks for the link. I will take her up on the offer. I've already sent her
my address so we can begin the process.
Peter
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"filly" <johnhenry RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in
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> Thanks Shelly, I don't have the heart or stomach for any more of
> this. I am going to use the morning in quiet contemplation of
> Cappy, the dog in the ditch, and what kind of world it takes for a
> life to be of such little value;

A Lab mix, a Beagle, and a Himalayan mix cat were offered on my local
Freecycle this morning. This is the second listing for the cat. The
folks who took her kept her less than a week before getting rid of
her to the first responder.

> and the people that will fight to preserve it and somehow make it
> come out right in the end. One way or another.

Amen. How folks can treat their pets so casually is beyond me. As
much as I adore my dog, she shouldn't have been born. I'd love to
give her breeder a piece of my mind.

And yes, Peter, she's beautiful, sweet, and very well behaved. She
charms everyone who meets her, even folks who don't like dogs. She's
also mismarked and temperamentally unsound. After I got her, I had
her spayed as soon as she was healthy enough. I did that because I
adore her.

Hopefully, my next Boxer will have a proper temperament for the
breed. Not that I would breed him, mind you. I don't have the time
or the knowledge to breed responsibly, so I'll leave it to those who
do. And, I'll continue to give a good home to the dogs that
irresponsible breeders will inevitably produce. Someone has to pick
up the slack, and I'm okay with being one of those who do, but it
would be nice if we didn't have live with other people's messes.

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"Shelly" <scouvrette DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter" <pd_hendrickson DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
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>> To true. It's certainly a potential puppy though. Apparently that
>> doesn't count to your thinking.
>
> A potential puppy (if you must) is not a puppy, either.
>
>> To each their own. Still nothing
>> positive to offer I see.
>
> You have a funny definition for the word "positive."
>
You say tomato, I say rutabaga. Peter
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In article <Gp0rj.3751$7d1.1650@news01.roc.ny>,
"Peter" <pd_hendrickson.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Because obviously my critera was not as strict as the standards here and
> frankly I'm a little embarrassed by that. And because I truly don't feel any
> need to prove anything on this forum. I realy did work with all the
> authorities on this that I had available prior to this breeding. Apparently
> I fell short. I'm sorry for that.

OK. So you're owning up to no OFA testing of any sort? Honesty is a
good thing. If you've learned something, and how and where you fell
short, that's a good thing. Health and temperament are both vital to a
responsible breeding. The level of understanding of genetics and
pedigrees that is needed, is why many of us choose not to be breeders.

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"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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>> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
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>>>> "tiny dancer" <tinydancer357.RemoveThis@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>>> LOL, ain't that the truth.
>>>>
>>>> Just what the hell is wrong with you?
>>>>
>>>> Suja
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The way she's been treated here, I think she agrees spay/neuter
>>> recommendations for the regular posters here is a good idea. i tend to
>>> agree. I spayed early.
>>>
>>> At first I thought she was agreeing that we were ignorant (Ps Peter
>>> should
>>> schedule a vasectomy ASAP) and I was about to quit reading td forever,
>>> then
>>> I reread, and had to agree
>>>>
>> Rgardless of our disagreement, I'm glad to see that you have a sense of
>> humor. No offence intended or taken. About the vasectomy, already taken
>> care of.
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>
> Ah, just as you feel better about my early spay, I have the same sense of
> relief over the vasectomy. Except mine was done previous... Before
> kids...
> to make sure that didn't happen. and yes, I can laugh at myself and poke
> pointy sticks at my own flaws

Good, good. For better or worse I do have 2 children, both adults now. They
seem to have survived my influence.
I'm sorry we got off to such a rocky start. I appologize if I caused any
offence, and for my childish behavior.
Peter
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"Peter" <pd_hendrickson.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> "tiny dancer" <tinydancer357.DeleteThis@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL, ain't that the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just what the hell is wrong with you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Suja
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The way she's been treated here, I think she agrees spay/neuter
>>>> recommendations for the regular posters here is a good idea. i tend
>>>> to agree. I spayed early.
>>>>
>>>> At first I thought she was agreeing that we were ignorant (Ps Peter
>>>> should
>>>> schedule a vasectomy ASAP) and I was about to quit reading td
>>>> forever, then
>>>> I reread, and had to agree
>>>>>
>>> Rgardless of our disagreement, I'm glad to see that you have a sense
>>> of humor. No offence intended or taken. About the vasectomy, already
>>> taken care of.
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Ah, just as you feel better about my early spay, I have the same sense
>> of relief over the vasectomy. Except mine was done previous... Before
>> kids...
>> to make sure that didn't happen. and yes, I can laugh at myself and
>> poke pointy sticks at my own flaws
>
> Good, good. For better or worse I do have 2 children, both adults now.
> They seem to have survived my influence.
> I'm sorry we got off to such a rocky start. I appologize if I caused any
> offence, and for my childish behavior.
> Peter
>
>
>
Well in spite of not bearing my own, I adopted. All of us barely survived
my influence. He's an adult now too, and things are finally getting to a
place where I think he's going to be alright, thanks to a girl he met and
married who keeps him on a firm leash. I'm so glad he met her.
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"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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>>
>> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
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>>
>> Good, good. For better or worse I do have 2 children, both adults now.
>> They seem to have survived my influence.
>> I'm sorry we got off to such a rocky start. I appologize if I caused any
>> offence, and for my childish behavior.
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
> Well in spite of not bearing my own, I adopted. All of us barely survived
> my influence. He's an adult now too, and things are finally getting to a
> place where I think he's going to be alright, thanks to a girl he met and
> married who keeps him on a firm leash. I'm so glad he met her.

I can relate. My oldest, 30, now has a young lady to keep him out of
trouble. Being a Grandpa is much more fun than parenting. My other son in
more responsible and well behaved than I could ever hope to be. Must be his
mothers influence.
Peter
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"Peter" <pd_hendrickson DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
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> "bethgsd" <bethgsd DeleteThis @nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Suja" <spanaval DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> If Peter hasn't done the health testing on both parents, doesn't have
>> a good contract with a take back clause and if the bitch is as hinky
>> as one of his posts has led me to believe, then yes. There is
>> nothing wrong with spaying a pregnant bitch.
>>
>> Beth
>>>>
> Maybe so, but I won't do it.
> Peter
>

Peter...what people are trying to impress upon you is the knowledge of how
many hundreds of thousands of dogs are abandoned, treated cruelly, and
euthanised every single day. There are so many dogs who need and will never
recieve a good home, that in order to breed a littler of puppies, the
breeding stock can't just be cute, or sweet, but truly extraordinary.
Everybody on this group loves dogs, but it's not enough to just love them,
you have to be a caretaker of whatever breed you have. In your case she's a
Dane who has fear issues, (or at least that's what I glean) because of that
she should have never been bred, no matter how much "you" believe
otherwise. Look at the bigger picture....
Lois E
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