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Since: Nov 01, 2003
Posts: 9



(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 3:51 pm
Post subject: Some people need educating!!
Archived from groups: alt>pets>dogs>pitbull (more info?)

This was actually written by UKC VP Cindy Cook, some one you'd assume
was educated.

* MYTH: The " Pit bull" breeds have been selectively bred for the
purpose of dog fighting." In fact, the overwhelming majority of
breeders is, and has been for decades, selectively breeding the bull
terrier breeds as companion and working animals. Dog fighters
represent a negligible minority of the fanciers of these breeds. Most
dog fighters are not selectively breeding at all and few, if any, of
their dogs are even purebred. These people are not educated in the
methodology of selecting and fixing particular traits in a breed. They
look for big strong dogs that can be made mean enough, usually through
abuse and neglect, to fight with other dogs and to menace people.

I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE WHAT I'VE READ. ANYONE WHO TRULY KNOWS THE APBT
KNOWS THEY CAN BE DOG AGGRESSIVE AND WANT TO FIGHT DESPITE TRAINING
THEM OTHERWISE AND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SELECTIVLY BRED FOR GAMENESS
WHICH WAS TESTED BY FIGHTING THE DOGS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. IT IS TRUE
A LOT OF BREEDER BRED FOR THINGS OTHER THAN GAMENESS, AS DOG FIGHTING
IS ILLEGAL NOW AND OTHER USES HAVE BEEN FOUND. THERE ARE IN FACT STILL
A LARGE NUMBER OF DOGMEN OUT THERE, JUST FEW PEOPLE KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
"DOG FIGHTERS" AS SHE CALLS THEM SELECTIVLY BREED FOR GAMENESS
OTHERWISE THERE WOULDN'T BE CULLING OF CURS, OR THE NEED TO SEE WHICH
DOG IS GAME AND THE BEST TO BREED. THEIR DOGS ARE IN FACT THE MOST
PURE OF ALL APBTS, AS MIXING THEM WITH CURS WOULD ONLY MAKE THEM CURS
AND NOT GAME AT ALL. GAMENESS IS AN EASY TRAIT TO LOOSE AND BREEDING
THE DOG WITH A CUR YOU WILL GET DOGS WHO CUR. I HAVE HOWEVER SEEN SO
MANY PULL DOGS MIXED WITH CURS ITS UNBELIEVABLE THE MOST POPULAR BEING
BANDOGS, AND OTEHRS MIXED WITH CANE CORSO OR BULLMASTIFF AND THESE
DOGS ARE REGISTERED AS PURE WHEN THEY ARE NOT.
MANY OF THE OLDER DOGMEN I HAVE MET WHO HAVE BEEN BREEDING FOR YEARS,
EVEN GENERATIONS KNOW A LOT ABOUT BREEDING, MORE THEN ANY SHOW BREEDER
I'VE TALKED TO. NOT JUST DOGMEN BUT I'VE ALSO FOUND BOTH GREYHOUND AND
ESPECIALLY HORSE BREEDERS KNOW A LOT ABOUT BREEDING, SELECTIVE
BREEDING AND GENETICS.
SOME OF THE OTHER BREEDERS DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY REDNOSE DOGS
CANNOT HAVE BLACK NOSE PUPS.
"They look for big strong dogs that can be made mean enough, usually
through
abuse and neglect, to fight with other dogs and to menace people."
IS THAT SO? MOST OF THE ONES I HAVE MET HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN OVER 35LBS.
I HAVE MET SOME WHO WERE ALMOST 50LBS BUT THOSE ARE FEW AND FAR
BETWEEN. THEY PREFER SMALLER DOGS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ANY DOG CAN
BE MADE MEAN DESPITE SIZE AND ALL APBTS ARE STRONG, THE SMALLER
PUREBRED ONES USUALLY WIN MOST WEIGHT PULLED PER BODY POUND AGAINST
THE BIG BUR MUTTS. FIGHTING DOGS ARE NO MENACE TO POEPLE.

* MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have been selectively bred to develop a
strong fighting instinct and a low level of fighting inhibition, which
make these breeds of dogs hazards to humans as well as to other
animals. Once again, I must point out the thousands of bull terrier
dogs who regularly participate every year without incident in
conformation shows, obedience trials, agility trials, weight pulls,
and other events sponsored by U.K.C. and other registries. By the way,
a review of the history of these breeds reveals that the 19th century
breeders selected dogs that would not attack humans because there were
always three people in the pit with the dogs. The dogs had to be
willing to be pulled out of the fight by their owner without causing
injury to the owner. The worst of the old fighting dogs were NEVER
bred or encouraged to attack people. That is a twentieth-century
phenomenon that has grown up with the crack epidemic in our cities.
The drug dealers and gamblers who keep "attack" dogs are certainly not
wasting their time or energy selectively breeding these dogs. They buy
dogs from irresponsible breeders and keep the mean ones.

OK LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT THESE "DOG FIGHTER" KNOW HOW TO SELECTIVLY
BREED PEOPLE FRIENDLY DOGS AND THEY DON'T GET BIT BY CULLING MAN
BITERS, BUT THEY AREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO BREED GAME DOGS BY ONLY
BREEDING THE GAME ONES AND CULLING OUT THE CURS? YEAH THAT REALLY
MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, NOT!!!
AND IF THIS IS TRUE WHY WOULD IT MATTER I THOUGHT THESE PEOPLE DON'T
BREED PURE DOGS, SO THEIR DOGS AREN'T APBTS ANYWAY? THEY ARE JUST BIG,
STRONG DOGS MADE MEAN AND A MENACE TO PEOPLE, HMM CONTRADICTORY!

ITS NOT JUST THUGS IN INNER CITIES ITS LOW LIVES & BYBS EVERYWHERE,
BELIEVE ME I HAVE NEIGHBORS LIKE THIS WITH DIFFERENT BREEDS APBTS,
ROTTS, SHEPHERDS AND EVEN MIXES OF THESE BREEDS, NOW THEY ARE EVEN
TRYING TO HIT THE RARE BREEDS, PRESAS AND CORSOS MAINLY(to make more
money b/c they are rare and have more powerful guard dogs). IF THOSE
BREEDERS AREN'T TOO CAREFUL THERE BREED MAY END UP IN THE SAME LIGHT
AS THE PIT BULL. NOT TOO MENTION JUST PLAIN UNEDUCATED/IRRESPONSIBLE
OWNERS THAT NEVER TRAIN OR SOCIALIZE THERE DOGS AND LET THEM ROAM THE
NEIGHBORHOOD FREELY.

* MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have a tendency to attack even those
persons that exhibit no provocative behavior. Dog attacks have become
such media events that virtually every reported dog bite is
transformed into an unprovoked attack on an innocent child by a
semi-mythical monster dog, the dreaded " Pit Bull." Most are
UNPROVOKED and by breeds other than the Bull Terrier breeds.

VERY TRUE I HAVE SEEN DOZENS OF CASES WHERE SOMEONE WAS BIT BY A BREED
OTHER THAN A PIT BULL AND YET PEOPLE CLAIM IT WAS A PIT BULL.
ON THE OTHER HAND THEY USUALLY ARE UNPROVOKED, AT LEAST MOST OF THE
ONES I HAVE SEEN ARE. SOME YES WERE PROVOKED OTHERS A CHILD IS ACTING
IN A NORMAL FASHION AND MAY NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN MESSING WITH THE DOG IN
ANYWAY. EITHER WAY THE CHILD SHOULDN'T BE ATTACKED BECAUSE OF A STUPID
DOG OWNER. I THINK THAT OWNERS SHOULD RECIEVE SERIOUS PRISON TIME AND
FINES WHEN THEIR DOGS HAVE BEEN BITING PEOPLE AND FINALLY ATTACK/KILL.

* MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have a tendency to fight to the death
and never quit a fight once engaged, which results in more severe
injuries than those inflicted by other breeds. It is the nature of
animals to avoid fights where possible, to fight only as long as is
necessary, and to quit when beaten or when the opponent concedes.

FIRST OFF PIT BULLS ARE NOT OTHER DOGS. THEY HAVE BEEN BREED FOR A
CERTAIN REASON AND THAT WAS DOG FIGHTING AND BULL BAITING. ITS VERY
TRUE, LET ME STATE THAT AGAIN VERY TRUE THAT ONCE THEY ARE ENGAGED IN
COMBAT THEY ARE NOT LIKELY TO STOP WITHOUT INFLICTING SERIOUS INJURY
OR KILLING THE OTHER DOG. THAT IS WHY IT IS SO VERY IMPORTANT NOT TO
LEAVE A PIT UNSUPERVISED WITH ANOTHER DOG JUST INCASE A FIGHT WERE TO
HAPPEN. NOW BY ALL MEANS NO NOT MANY WILL FIGHT ANOTHER BULLDOG TO THE
DEATH AND NOT QUIT. WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE TWO
PITS HAVE FOUGHT IS ONE DID QUIT FIGHTING PROBABLY NOT TOO LONG INTO
THE FIGHT AND FOR THAT FACT WAS KILLED, THEN YOU COME HOME AND YOUR
PIT BULL IS WAITING HAPPY FOR YOU AFTER FINISHING OFF THE OTHER DOG
BECAUSE IT QUIT. THIS CAN BE AVOIDED BY KEEPING THEM SEPERATE WHEN NO
ONE IS AROUND. SO EVEN IF THE "OPPONENT" "CONCEDES" THE OTHER DOG MAY
NOT QUIT UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE.

IF DOGS FOUGHT TO THE DEATH YOU WOULDN'T SEE CHAMPION FIGHTING DOGS
WHO CAN WIN 7,8 OR + MATCHES AND NEVER BECOME A GRAND CHAMP BECAUSE
ONCE A DOG LOOSES A MATCH ITS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR GR CH TITLE. NO MATTER
HOW MANY MORE TIMES ITS MATCHED AND WINS, DUH!!

"Dog fighting created unnatural situations where dogs were not allowed
to
concede or to flee. Naturally, they fought to the death where they had
no alternative. Remember, too, these were artificially stimulated
attacks on other dogs--not attacks on persons."

LOL, GET SOME EDUCATION. DOGS WERE VERY MUCH ALLOWED TO BOTH CONCEED
AND FLEE. THAT IS HOW YOU GET LOSERS HUN, OR CURS WHICH EVER YOU
PREFER. A DOG CONCEEDS WHEN IT 1. STANDS THE SCRATCH 2. QUITS FIGHTING
AND REFUSES TO FIGHT BACK, AND AGAIN WONT SCRATCH WHEN TAKEN TO THE
LINE. 3. JUMPS THE PIT WALLS IN EXCAPE.
4. SOME DOGS ARE UNABLE TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT OR HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF
DAMGE. THESE DOGS ARE PICKED UP BY THEIR OWNERS IN ORDER TO SAVE THEIR
LIVES. THEY SILL LOOSE THE MATCH BUT AT LEAST YOU STILL HAVE YOUR DOG.
THE RISK OF THE DOG BEING KILLED OUTWAYS THE FACT THAT IT WILL BE
LOOSING THE MATCH.
HASN'T THIS PERSON TAKEN ANYTIME TO LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT THE BREED.
THESE DOGS WERE NEVER FOUGHT TO THE DEATH. THAT WASN'T THE POINT. A
DOG WOULD MOST LIKELY QUIT BEFORE THAT AND THE OTHER DOG WOULD BE THE
WINNER OR ONE WOULD BE PICKED UP BY ITS HANDLER SO IT WOULDN'T BE
KILLED.
LETS ALSO REMEMBER THAT THEY WERE ONLY STIMULATED BY SEEING THE OTHER
DOG IN THE PIT, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY THEY ENJOYED IT. SOME DOGS GO
HOG NUTS WHEN THEY KNOW THEIR GOING TO A MATCH. NO ENCOURAGING IN
ANYWAY, SHAPE OR FORM. I'VE EVEN SEEN DOGS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A
FIGHT AND DISCOURAGED FROM IT GO WILD WHEN THEY SEE ANOTHER DOG
WHINING AND SCREAMING, GETTING MORE FUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY AREN'T
ALLOWED TO DO SO. WHEN A DOG DIDN'T SCRATCH IT WASN'T FORCED TO FIGHT
ANY LONGER, THE MATCH WAS OVER.

JUST LET YOURSELF BE ENLIGHTENED AND LEARN THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH CAN
SAVE LIVES AND IS ALWAYS WORTH LETTING PEOPLE KNOW. WHY HIDE OR TRY TO
DENY THE TRUTH OF THE BREED. I THOUGHT THAT IS WAS BREEDERS/OWNERS
RESPONSIBILITY TO LET OTHERS KNOW THE TRUTH? EVEN THOUGH MOST DON'T
AGREE WITH DOG FIGHTING IT SHOULD STILL BE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT IS VERY
MUCH A PART OF THE BREED'S HISTORY AND ACCOUNTS FOR SOME OF ITS
CHARACTARISTICS. SAYING DOG FIGHTING HAS HAD NO AFFECT ON THESE DOGS
IS LIKE SAYING BLOODHOUNDS DON'T HAVE A NATURAL TENDENCY TO TRACK, OR
SHEPHERDS TO HEARD, WHICH OF COURSE THEY DO I HAVE OWNED SHEPHERD AND
ONE THING THEY LOVE IS HERDING WHETHER THEY ARE A VETERAN OR THIS IS
THEIR FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH A SHEEP. THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO AND JUST
NEED A LITTLE DIRECTION.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Some people need educating!! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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THANK GOD you are a blessing in so many ways to me you do not
know CPit....You have wrote my sermon and I have been preaching
the gospel of the game dog for years I hope you will stay in this
group, because the need for some true pitbull people is at a all
time high in this group....Welcome and it is soooo nice to hear
from knowlegable dog person.....Oh and watch out the ones that
want to breed the gameness out of our beloved pitbull there are a
couple in this news group....Have a great day....Will

..
"CPit_Dogs" <Candy_Bulldogs.TakeThisOut@37.com> wrote in message
news:4bb04193.0311011551.4ec065ce@posting.google.com...
: This was actually written by UKC VP Cindy Cook, some one you'd
assume
: was educated.
:
: * MYTH: The " Pit bull" breeds have been selectively bred for
the
: purpose of dog fighting." In fact, the overwhelming majority of
: breeders is, and has been for decades, selectively breeding the
bull
: terrier breeds as companion and working animals. Dog fighters
: represent a negligible minority of the fanciers of these
breeds. Most
: dog fighters are not selectively breeding at all and few, if
any, of
: their dogs are even purebred. These people are not educated in
the
: methodology of selecting and fixing particular traits in a
breed. They
: look for big strong dogs that can be made mean enough, usually
through
: abuse and neglect, to fight with other dogs and to menace
people.
:
: I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE WHAT I'VE READ. ANYONE WHO TRULY KNOWS THE
APBT
: KNOWS THEY CAN BE DOG AGGRESSIVE AND WANT TO FIGHT DESPITE
TRAINING
: THEM OTHERWISE AND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SELECTIVLY BRED FOR
GAMENESS
: WHICH WAS TESTED BY FIGHTING THE DOGS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. IT
IS TRUE
: A LOT OF BREEDER BRED FOR THINGS OTHER THAN GAMENESS, AS DOG
FIGHTING
: IS ILLEGAL NOW AND OTHER USES HAVE BEEN FOUND. THERE ARE IN
FACT STILL
: A LARGE NUMBER OF DOGMEN OUT THERE, JUST FEW PEOPLE KNOW WHO
THEY ARE.
: "DOG FIGHTERS" AS SHE CALLS THEM SELECTIVLY BREED FOR GAMENESS
: OTHERWISE THERE WOULDN'T BE CULLING OF CURS, OR THE NEED TO SEE
WHICH
: DOG IS GAME AND THE BEST TO BREED. THEIR DOGS ARE IN FACT THE
MOST
: PURE OF ALL APBTS, AS MIXING THEM WITH CURS WOULD ONLY MAKE
THEM CURS
: AND NOT GAME AT ALL. GAMENESS IS AN EASY TRAIT TO LOOSE AND
BREEDING
: THE DOG WITH A CUR YOU WILL GET DOGS WHO CUR. I HAVE HOWEVER
SEEN SO
: MANY PULL DOGS MIXED WITH CURS ITS UNBELIEVABLE THE MOST
POPULAR BEING
: BANDOGS, AND OTEHRS MIXED WITH CANE CORSO OR BULLMASTIFF AND
THESE
: DOGS ARE REGISTERED AS PURE WHEN THEY ARE NOT.
: MANY OF THE OLDER DOGMEN I HAVE MET WHO HAVE BEEN BREEDING FOR
YEARS,
: EVEN GENERATIONS KNOW A LOT ABOUT BREEDING, MORE THEN ANY SHOW
BREEDER
: I'VE TALKED TO. NOT JUST DOGMEN BUT I'VE ALSO FOUND BOTH
GREYHOUND AND
: ESPECIALLY HORSE BREEDERS KNOW A LOT ABOUT BREEDING, SELECTIVE
: BREEDING AND GENETICS.
: SOME OF THE OTHER BREEDERS DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY REDNOSE
DOGS
: CANNOT HAVE BLACK NOSE PUPS.
: "They look for big strong dogs that can be made mean enough,
usually
: through
: abuse and neglect, to fight with other dogs and to menace
people."
: IS THAT SO? MOST OF THE ONES I HAVE MET HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN OVER
35LBS.
: I HAVE MET SOME WHO WERE ALMOST 50LBS BUT THOSE ARE FEW AND FAR
: BETWEEN. THEY PREFER SMALLER DOGS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ANY
DOG CAN
: BE MADE MEAN DESPITE SIZE AND ALL APBTS ARE STRONG, THE SMALLER
: PUREBRED ONES USUALLY WIN MOST WEIGHT PULLED PER BODY POUND
AGAINST
: THE BIG BUR MUTTS. FIGHTING DOGS ARE NO MENACE TO POEPLE.
:
: * MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have been selectively bred to
develop a
: strong fighting instinct and a low level of fighting
inhibition, which
: make these breeds of dogs hazards to humans as well as to other
: animals. Once again, I must point out the thousands of bull
terrier
: dogs who regularly participate every year without incident in
: conformation shows, obedience trials, agility trials, weight
pulls,
: and other events sponsored by U.K.C. and other registries. By
the way,
: a review of the history of these breeds reveals that the 19th c
entury
: breeders selected dogs that would not attack humans because
there were
: always three people in the pit with the dogs. The dogs had to
be
: willing to be pulled out of the fight by their owner without
causing
: injury to the owner. The worst of the old fighting dogs were
NEVER
: bred or encouraged to attack people. That is a
twentieth-century
: phenomenon that has grown up with the crack epidemic in our
cities.
: The drug dealers and gamblers who keep "attack" dogs are
certainly not
: wasting their time or energy selectively breeding these dogs.
They buy
: dogs from irresponsible breeders and keep the mean ones.
:
: OK LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT THESE "DOG FIGHTER" KNOW HOW TO
SELECTIVLY
: BREED PEOPLE FRIENDLY DOGS AND THEY DON'T GET BIT BY CULLING
MAN
: BITERS, BUT THEY AREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO BREED GAME DOGS BY ONLY
: BREEDING THE GAME ONES AND CULLING OUT THE CURS? YEAH THAT
REALLY
: MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, NOT!!!
: AND IF THIS IS TRUE WHY WOULD IT MATTER I THOUGHT THESE PEOPLE
DON'T
: BREED PURE DOGS, SO THEIR DOGS AREN'T APBTS ANYWAY? THEY ARE
JUST BIG,
: STRONG DOGS MADE MEAN AND A MENACE TO PEOPLE, HMM
CONTRADICTORY!
:
: ITS NOT JUST THUGS IN INNER CITIES ITS LOW LIVES & BYBS
EVERYWHERE,
: BELIEVE ME I HAVE NEIGHBORS LIKE THIS WITH DIFFERENT BREEDS
APBTS,
: ROTTS, SHEPHERDS AND EVEN MIXES OF THESE BREEDS, NOW THEY ARE
EVEN
: TRYING TO HIT THE RARE BREEDS, PRESAS AND CORSOS MAINLY(to make
more
: money b/c they are rare and have more powerful guard dogs). IF
THOSE
: BREEDERS AREN'T TOO CAREFUL THERE BREED MAY END UP IN THE SAME
LIGHT
: AS THE PIT BULL. NOT TOO MENTION JUST PLAIN
UNEDUCATED/IRRESPONSIBLE
: OWNERS THAT NEVER TRAIN OR SOCIALIZE THERE DOGS AND LET THEM
ROAM THE
: NEIGHBORHOOD FREELY.
:
: * MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have a tendency to attack even
those
: persons that exhibit no provocative behavior. Dog attacks have
become
: such media events that virtually every reported dog bite is
: transformed into an unprovoked attack on an innocent child by a
: semi-mythical monster dog, the dreaded " Pit Bull." Most are
: UNPROVOKED and by breeds other than the Bull Terrier breeds.
:
: VERY TRUE I HAVE SEEN DOZENS OF CASES WHERE SOMEONE WAS BIT BY
A BREED
: OTHER THAN A PIT BULL AND YET PEOPLE CLAIM IT WAS A PIT BULL.
: ON THE OTHER HAND THEY USUALLY ARE UNPROVOKED, AT LEAST MOST OF
THE
: ONES I HAVE SEEN ARE. SOME YES WERE PROVOKED OTHERS A CHILD IS
ACTING
: IN A NORMAL FASHION AND MAY NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN MESSING WITH THE
DOG IN
: ANYWAY. EITHER WAY THE CHILD SHOULDN'T BE ATTACKED BECAUSE OF A
STUPID
: DOG OWNER. I THINK THAT OWNERS SHOULD RECIEVE SERIOUS PRISON
TIME AND
: FINES WHEN THEIR DOGS HAVE BEEN BITING PEOPLE AND FINALLY
ATTACK/KILL.
:
: * MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have a tendency to fight to the
death
: and never quit a fight once engaged, which results in more
severe
: injuries than those inflicted by other breeds. It is the nature
of
: animals to avoid fights where possible, to fight only as long
as is
: necessary, and to quit when beaten or when the opponent
concedes.
:
: FIRST OFF PIT BULLS ARE NOT OTHER DOGS. THEY HAVE BEEN BREED
FOR A
: CERTAIN REASON AND THAT WAS DOG FIGHTING AND BULL BAITING. ITS
VERY
: TRUE, LET ME STATE THAT AGAIN VERY TRUE THAT ONCE THEY ARE
ENGAGED IN
: COMBAT THEY ARE NOT LIKELY TO STOP WITHOUT INFLICTING SERIOUS
INJURY
: OR KILLING THE OTHER DOG. THAT IS WHY IT IS SO VERY IMPORTANT
NOT TO
: LEAVE A PIT UNSUPERVISED WITH ANOTHER DOG JUST INCASE A FIGHT
WERE TO
: HAPPEN. NOW BY ALL MEANS NO NOT MANY WILL FIGHT ANOTHER BULLDOG
TO THE
: DEATH AND NOT QUIT. WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IN THESE SITUATIONS
WHERE TWO
: PITS HAVE FOUGHT IS ONE DID QUIT FIGHTING PROBABLY NOT TOO LONG
INTO
: THE FIGHT AND FOR THAT FACT WAS KILLED, THEN YOU COME HOME AND
YOUR
: PIT BULL IS WAITING HAPPY FOR YOU AFTER FINISHING OFF THE OTHER
DOG
: BECAUSE IT QUIT. THIS CAN BE AVOIDED BY KEEPING THEM SEPERATE
WHEN NO
: ONE IS AROUND. SO EVEN IF THE "OPPONENT" "CONCEDES" THE OTHER
DOG MAY
: NOT QUIT UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE.
:
: IF DOGS FOUGHT TO THE DEATH YOU WOULDN'T SEE CHAMPION FIGHTING
DOGS
: WHO CAN WIN 7,8 OR + MATCHES AND NEVER BECOME A GRAND CHAMP
BECAUSE
: ONCE A DOG LOOSES A MATCH ITS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR GR CH TITLE. NO
MATTER
: HOW MANY MORE TIMES ITS MATCHED AND WINS, DUH!!
:
: "Dog fighting created unnatural situations where dogs were not
allowed
: to
: concede or to flee. Naturally, they fought to the death where
they had
: no alternative. Remember, too, these were artificially
stimulated
: attacks on other dogs--not attacks on persons."
:
: LOL, GET SOME EDUCATION. DOGS WERE VERY MUCH ALLOWED TO BOTH
CONCEED
: AND FLEE. THAT IS HOW YOU GET LOSERS HUN, OR CURS WHICH EVER
YOU
: PREFER. A DOG CONCEEDS WHEN IT 1. STANDS THE SCRATCH 2. QUITS
FIGHTING
: AND REFUSES TO FIGHT BACK, AND AGAIN WONT SCRATCH WHEN TAKEN TO
THE
: LINE. 3. JUMPS THE PIT WALLS IN EXCAPE.
: 4. SOME DOGS ARE UNABLE TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT OR HAVE TAKEN A
LOT OF
: DAMGE. THESE DOGS ARE PICKED UP BY THEIR OWNERS IN ORDER TO
SAVE THEIR
: LIVES. THEY SILL LOOSE THE MATCH BUT AT LEAST YOU STILL HAVE
YOUR DOG.
: THE RISK OF THE DOG BEING KILLED OUTWAYS THE FACT THAT IT WILL
BE
: LOOSING THE MATCH.
: HASN'T THIS PERSON TAKEN ANYTIME TO LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT THE
BREED.
: THESE DOGS WERE NEVER FOUGHT TO THE DEATH. THAT WASN'T THE
POINT. A
: DOG WOULD MOST LIKELY QUIT BEFORE THAT AND THE OTHER DOG WOULD
BE THE
: WINNER OR ONE WOULD BE PICKED UP BY ITS HANDLER SO IT WOULDN'T
BE
: KILLED.
: LETS ALSO REMEMBER THAT THEY WERE ONLY STIMULATED BY SEEING THE
OTHER
: DOG IN THE PIT, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY THEY ENJOYED IT. SOME
DOGS GO
: HOG NUTS WHEN THEY KNOW THEIR GOING TO A MATCH. NO ENCOURAGING
IN
: ANYWAY, SHAPE OR FORM. I'VE EVEN SEEN DOGS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN
IN A
: FIGHT AND DISCOURAGED FROM IT GO WILD WHEN THEY SEE ANOTHER DOG
: WHINING AND SCREAMING, GETTING MORE FUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY
AREN'T
: ALLOWED TO DO SO. WHEN A DOG DIDN'T SCRATCH IT WASN'T FORCED TO
FIGHT
: ANY LONGER, THE MATCH WAS OVER.
:
: JUST LET YOURSELF BE ENLIGHTENED AND LEARN THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH
CAN
: SAVE LIVES AND IS ALWAYS WORTH LETTING PEOPLE KNOW. WHY HIDE OR
TRY TO
: DENY THE TRUTH OF THE BREED. I THOUGHT THAT IS WAS
BREEDERS/OWNERS
: RESPONSIBILITY TO LET OTHERS KNOW THE TRUTH? EVEN THOUGH MOST
DON'T
: AGREE WITH DOG FIGHTING IT SHOULD STILL BE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT
IS VERY
: MUCH A PART OF THE BREED'S HISTORY AND ACCOUNTS FOR SOME OF ITS
: CHARACTARISTICS. SAYING DOG FIGHTING HAS HAD NO AFFECT ON THESE
DOGS
: IS LIKE SAYING BLOODHOUNDS DON'T HAVE A NATURAL TENDENCY TO
TRACK, OR
: SHEPHERDS TO HEARD, WHICH OF COURSE THEY DO I HAVE OWNED
SHEPHERD AND
: ONE THING THEY LOVE IS HERDING WHETHER THEY ARE A VETERAN OR
THIS IS
: THEIR FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH A SHEEP. THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO AND
JUST
: NEED A LITTLE DIRECTION.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 10:14 pm
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Hmmm, pitbull PC, let's see now:

Dogmen have nothing to do with the breeding of pitbulls
Islam is a peaceful religion
The checks in the mail
I won't co.....never mind

What a dope!

Roscoe


"CPit_Dogs" <Candy_Bulldogs RemoveThis @37.com> wrote in message
news:4bb04193.0311011551.4ec065ce@posting.google.com...
> This was actually written by UKC VP Cindy Cook, some one you'd assume
> was educated.
>
> * MYTH: The " Pit bull" breeds have been selectively bred for the
> purpose of dog fighting." In fact, the overwhelming majority of
> breeders is, and has been for decades, selectively breeding the bull
> terrier breeds as companion and working animals. Dog fighters
> represent a negligible minority of the fanciers of these breeds. Most
> dog fighters are not selectively breeding at all and few, if any, of
> their dogs are even purebred. These people are not educated in the
> methodology of selecting and fixing particular traits in a breed. They
> look for big strong dogs that can be made mean enough, usually through
> abuse and neglect, to fight with other dogs and to menace people.
>
> I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE WHAT I'VE READ. ANYONE WHO TRULY KNOWS THE APBT
> KNOWS THEY CAN BE DOG AGGRESSIVE AND WANT TO FIGHT DESPITE TRAINING
> THEM OTHERWISE AND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SELECTIVLY BRED FOR GAMENESS
> WHICH WAS TESTED BY FIGHTING THE DOGS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. IT IS TRUE
> A LOT OF BREEDER BRED FOR THINGS OTHER THAN GAMENESS, AS DOG FIGHTING
> IS ILLEGAL NOW AND OTHER USES HAVE BEEN FOUND. THERE ARE IN FACT STILL
> A LARGE NUMBER OF DOGMEN OUT THERE, JUST FEW PEOPLE KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
> "DOG FIGHTERS" AS SHE CALLS THEM SELECTIVLY BREED FOR GAMENESS
> OTHERWISE THERE WOULDN'T BE CULLING OF CURS, OR THE NEED TO SEE WHICH
> DOG IS GAME AND THE BEST TO BREED. THEIR DOGS ARE IN FACT THE MOST
> PURE OF ALL APBTS, AS MIXING THEM WITH CURS WOULD ONLY MAKE THEM CURS
> AND NOT GAME AT ALL. GAMENESS IS AN EASY TRAIT TO LOOSE AND BREEDING
> THE DOG WITH A CUR YOU WILL GET DOGS WHO CUR. I HAVE HOWEVER SEEN SO
> MANY PULL DOGS MIXED WITH CURS ITS UNBELIEVABLE THE MOST POPULAR BEING
> BANDOGS, AND OTEHRS MIXED WITH CANE CORSO OR BULLMASTIFF AND THESE
> DOGS ARE REGISTERED AS PURE WHEN THEY ARE NOT.
> MANY OF THE OLDER DOGMEN I HAVE MET WHO HAVE BEEN BREEDING FOR YEARS,
> EVEN GENERATIONS KNOW A LOT ABOUT BREEDING, MORE THEN ANY SHOW BREEDER
> I'VE TALKED TO. NOT JUST DOGMEN BUT I'VE ALSO FOUND BOTH GREYHOUND AND
> ESPECIALLY HORSE BREEDERS KNOW A LOT ABOUT BREEDING, SELECTIVE
> BREEDING AND GENETICS.
> SOME OF THE OTHER BREEDERS DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY REDNOSE DOGS
> CANNOT HAVE BLACK NOSE PUPS.
> "They look for big strong dogs that can be made mean enough, usually
> through
> abuse and neglect, to fight with other dogs and to menace people."
> IS THAT SO? MOST OF THE ONES I HAVE MET HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN OVER 35LBS.
> I HAVE MET SOME WHO WERE ALMOST 50LBS BUT THOSE ARE FEW AND FAR
> BETWEEN. THEY PREFER SMALLER DOGS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ANY DOG CAN
> BE MADE MEAN DESPITE SIZE AND ALL APBTS ARE STRONG, THE SMALLER
> PUREBRED ONES USUALLY WIN MOST WEIGHT PULLED PER BODY POUND AGAINST
> THE BIG BUR MUTTS. FIGHTING DOGS ARE NO MENACE TO POEPLE.
>
> * MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have been selectively bred to develop a
> strong fighting instinct and a low level of fighting inhibition, which
> make these breeds of dogs hazards to humans as well as to other
> animals. Once again, I must point out the thousands of bull terrier
> dogs who regularly participate every year without incident in
> conformation shows, obedience trials, agility trials, weight pulls,
> and other events sponsored by U.K.C. and other registries. By the way,
> a review of the history of these breeds reveals that the 19th century
> breeders selected dogs that would not attack humans because there were
> always three people in the pit with the dogs. The dogs had to be
> willing to be pulled out of the fight by their owner without causing
> injury to the owner. The worst of the old fighting dogs were NEVER
> bred or encouraged to attack people. That is a twentieth-century
> phenomenon that has grown up with the crack epidemic in our cities.
> The drug dealers and gamblers who keep "attack" dogs are certainly not
> wasting their time or energy selectively breeding these dogs. They buy
> dogs from irresponsible breeders and keep the mean ones.
>
> OK LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT THESE "DOG FIGHTER" KNOW HOW TO SELECTIVLY
> BREED PEOPLE FRIENDLY DOGS AND THEY DON'T GET BIT BY CULLING MAN
> BITERS, BUT THEY AREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO BREED GAME DOGS BY ONLY
> BREEDING THE GAME ONES AND CULLING OUT THE CURS? YEAH THAT REALLY
> MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, NOT!!!
> AND IF THIS IS TRUE WHY WOULD IT MATTER I THOUGHT THESE PEOPLE DON'T
> BREED PURE DOGS, SO THEIR DOGS AREN'T APBTS ANYWAY? THEY ARE JUST BIG,
> STRONG DOGS MADE MEAN AND A MENACE TO PEOPLE, HMM CONTRADICTORY!
>
> ITS NOT JUST THUGS IN INNER CITIES ITS LOW LIVES & BYBS EVERYWHERE,
> BELIEVE ME I HAVE NEIGHBORS LIKE THIS WITH DIFFERENT BREEDS APBTS,
> ROTTS, SHEPHERDS AND EVEN MIXES OF THESE BREEDS, NOW THEY ARE EVEN
> TRYING TO HIT THE RARE BREEDS, PRESAS AND CORSOS MAINLY(to make more
> money b/c they are rare and have more powerful guard dogs). IF THOSE
> BREEDERS AREN'T TOO CAREFUL THERE BREED MAY END UP IN THE SAME LIGHT
> AS THE PIT BULL. NOT TOO MENTION JUST PLAIN UNEDUCATED/IRRESPONSIBLE
> OWNERS THAT NEVER TRAIN OR SOCIALIZE THERE DOGS AND LET THEM ROAM THE
> NEIGHBORHOOD FREELY.
>
> * MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have a tendency to attack even those
> persons that exhibit no provocative behavior. Dog attacks have become
> such media events that virtually every reported dog bite is
> transformed into an unprovoked attack on an innocent child by a
> semi-mythical monster dog, the dreaded " Pit Bull." Most are
> UNPROVOKED and by breeds other than the Bull Terrier breeds.
>
> VERY TRUE I HAVE SEEN DOZENS OF CASES WHERE SOMEONE WAS BIT BY A BREED
> OTHER THAN A PIT BULL AND YET PEOPLE CLAIM IT WAS A PIT BULL.
> ON THE OTHER HAND THEY USUALLY ARE UNPROVOKED, AT LEAST MOST OF THE
> ONES I HAVE SEEN ARE. SOME YES WERE PROVOKED OTHERS A CHILD IS ACTING
> IN A NORMAL FASHION AND MAY NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN MESSING WITH THE DOG IN
> ANYWAY. EITHER WAY THE CHILD SHOULDN'T BE ATTACKED BECAUSE OF A STUPID
> DOG OWNER. I THINK THAT OWNERS SHOULD RECIEVE SERIOUS PRISON TIME AND
> FINES WHEN THEIR DOGS HAVE BEEN BITING PEOPLE AND FINALLY ATTACK/KILL.
>
> * MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have a tendency to fight to the death
> and never quit a fight once engaged, which results in more severe
> injuries than those inflicted by other breeds. It is the nature of
> animals to avoid fights where possible, to fight only as long as is
> necessary, and to quit when beaten or when the opponent concedes.
>
> FIRST OFF PIT BULLS ARE NOT OTHER DOGS. THEY HAVE BEEN BREED FOR A
> CERTAIN REASON AND THAT WAS DOG FIGHTING AND BULL BAITING. ITS VERY
> TRUE, LET ME STATE THAT AGAIN VERY TRUE THAT ONCE THEY ARE ENGAGED IN
> COMBAT THEY ARE NOT LIKELY TO STOP WITHOUT INFLICTING SERIOUS INJURY
> OR KILLING THE OTHER DOG. THAT IS WHY IT IS SO VERY IMPORTANT NOT TO
> LEAVE A PIT UNSUPERVISED WITH ANOTHER DOG JUST INCASE A FIGHT WERE TO
> HAPPEN. NOW BY ALL MEANS NO NOT MANY WILL FIGHT ANOTHER BULLDOG TO THE
> DEATH AND NOT QUIT. WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE TWO
> PITS HAVE FOUGHT IS ONE DID QUIT FIGHTING PROBABLY NOT TOO LONG INTO
> THE FIGHT AND FOR THAT FACT WAS KILLED, THEN YOU COME HOME AND YOUR
> PIT BULL IS WAITING HAPPY FOR YOU AFTER FINISHING OFF THE OTHER DOG
> BECAUSE IT QUIT. THIS CAN BE AVOIDED BY KEEPING THEM SEPERATE WHEN NO
> ONE IS AROUND. SO EVEN IF THE "OPPONENT" "CONCEDES" THE OTHER DOG MAY
> NOT QUIT UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE.
>
> IF DOGS FOUGHT TO THE DEATH YOU WOULDN'T SEE CHAMPION FIGHTING DOGS
> WHO CAN WIN 7,8 OR + MATCHES AND NEVER BECOME A GRAND CHAMP BECAUSE
> ONCE A DOG LOOSES A MATCH ITS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR GR CH TITLE. NO MATTER
> HOW MANY MORE TIMES ITS MATCHED AND WINS, DUH!!
>
> "Dog fighting created unnatural situations where dogs were not allowed
> to
> concede or to flee. Naturally, they fought to the death where they had
> no alternative. Remember, too, these were artificially stimulated
> attacks on other dogs--not attacks on persons."
>
> LOL, GET SOME EDUCATION. DOGS WERE VERY MUCH ALLOWED TO BOTH CONCEED
> AND FLEE. THAT IS HOW YOU GET LOSERS HUN, OR CURS WHICH EVER YOU
> PREFER. A DOG CONCEEDS WHEN IT 1. STANDS THE SCRATCH 2. QUITS FIGHTING
> AND REFUSES TO FIGHT BACK, AND AGAIN WONT SCRATCH WHEN TAKEN TO THE
> LINE. 3. JUMPS THE PIT WALLS IN EXCAPE.
> 4. SOME DOGS ARE UNABLE TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT OR HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF
> DAMGE. THESE DOGS ARE PICKED UP BY THEIR OWNERS IN ORDER TO SAVE THEIR
> LIVES. THEY SILL LOOSE THE MATCH BUT AT LEAST YOU STILL HAVE YOUR DOG.
> THE RISK OF THE DOG BEING KILLED OUTWAYS THE FACT THAT IT WILL BE
> LOOSING THE MATCH.
> HASN'T THIS PERSON TAKEN ANYTIME TO LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT THE BREED.
> THESE DOGS WERE NEVER FOUGHT TO THE DEATH. THAT WASN'T THE POINT. A
> DOG WOULD MOST LIKELY QUIT BEFORE THAT AND THE OTHER DOG WOULD BE THE
> WINNER OR ONE WOULD BE PICKED UP BY ITS HANDLER SO IT WOULDN'T BE
> KILLED.
> LETS ALSO REMEMBER THAT THEY WERE ONLY STIMULATED BY SEEING THE OTHER
> DOG IN THE PIT, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY THEY ENJOYED IT. SOME DOGS GO
> HOG NUTS WHEN THEY KNOW THEIR GOING TO A MATCH. NO ENCOURAGING IN
> ANYWAY, SHAPE OR FORM. I'VE EVEN SEEN DOGS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A
> FIGHT AND DISCOURAGED FROM IT GO WILD WHEN THEY SEE ANOTHER DOG
> WHINING AND SCREAMING, GETTING MORE FUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY AREN'T
> ALLOWED TO DO SO. WHEN A DOG DIDN'T SCRATCH IT WASN'T FORCED TO FIGHT
> ANY LONGER, THE MATCH WAS OVER.
>
> JUST LET YOURSELF BE ENLIGHTENED AND LEARN THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH CAN
> SAVE LIVES AND IS ALWAYS WORTH LETTING PEOPLE KNOW. WHY HIDE OR TRY TO
> DENY THE TRUTH OF THE BREED. I THOUGHT THAT IS WAS BREEDERS/OWNERS
> RESPONSIBILITY TO LET OTHERS KNOW THE TRUTH? EVEN THOUGH MOST DON'T
> AGREE WITH DOG FIGHTING IT SHOULD STILL BE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT IS VERY
> MUCH A PART OF THE BREED'S HISTORY AND ACCOUNTS FOR SOME OF ITS
> CHARACTARISTICS. SAYING DOG FIGHTING HAS HAD NO AFFECT ON THESE DOGS
> IS LIKE SAYING BLOODHOUNDS DON'T HAVE A NATURAL TENDENCY TO TRACK, OR
> SHEPHERDS TO HEARD, WHICH OF COURSE THEY DO I HAVE OWNED SHEPHERD AND
> ONE THING THEY LOVE IS HERDING WHETHER THEY ARE A VETERAN OR THIS IS
> THEIR FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH A SHEEP. THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO AND JUST
> NEED A LITTLE DIRECTION.
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I think jocurpit has a new name to post under. LMAO



On 1 Nov 2003 15:51:47 -0800, Candy_Bulldogs RemoveThis @37.com (CPit_Dogs) wrote:

>This was actually written by UKC VP Cindy Cook, some one you'd assume
>was educated.
>
>* MYTH: The " Pit bull" breeds have been selectively bred for the
>purpose of dog fighting." In fact, the overwhelming majority of
>breeders is, and has been for decades, selectively breeding the bull
>terrier breeds as companion and working animals. Dog fighters
>represent a negligible minority of the fanciers of these breeds. Most
>dog fighters are not selectively breeding at all and few, if any, of
>their dogs are even purebred. These people are not educated in the
>methodology of selecting and fixing particular traits in a breed. They
>look for big strong dogs that can be made mean enough, usually through
>abuse and neglect, to fight with other dogs and to menace people.
>
>I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE WHAT I'VE READ. ANYONE WHO TRULY KNOWS THE APBT
>KNOWS THEY CAN BE DOG AGGRESSIVE AND WANT TO FIGHT DESPITE TRAINING
>THEM OTHERWISE AND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SELECTIVLY BRED FOR GAMENESS
>WHICH WAS TESTED BY FIGHTING THE DOGS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. IT IS TRUE
>A LOT OF BREEDER BRED FOR THINGS OTHER THAN GAMENESS, AS DOG FIGHTING
>IS ILLEGAL NOW AND OTHER USES HAVE BEEN FOUND. THERE ARE IN FACT STILL
>A LARGE NUMBER OF DOGMEN OUT THERE, JUST FEW PEOPLE KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
>"DOG FIGHTERS" AS SHE CALLS THEM SELECTIVLY BREED FOR GAMENESS
>OTHERWISE THERE WOULDN'T BE CULLING OF CURS, OR THE NEED TO SEE WHICH
>DOG IS GAME AND THE BEST TO BREED. THEIR DOGS ARE IN FACT THE MOST
>PURE OF ALL APBTS, AS MIXING THEM WITH CURS WOULD ONLY MAKE THEM CURS
>AND NOT GAME AT ALL. GAMENESS IS AN EASY TRAIT TO LOOSE AND BREEDING
>THE DOG WITH A CUR YOU WILL GET DOGS WHO CUR. I HAVE HOWEVER SEEN SO
>MANY PULL DOGS MIXED WITH CURS ITS UNBELIEVABLE THE MOST POPULAR BEING
>BANDOGS, AND OTEHRS MIXED WITH CANE CORSO OR BULLMASTIFF AND THESE
>DOGS ARE REGISTERED AS PURE WHEN THEY ARE NOT.
>MANY OF THE OLDER DOGMEN I HAVE MET WHO HAVE BEEN BREEDING FOR YEARS,
>EVEN GENERATIONS KNOW A LOT ABOUT BREEDING, MORE THEN ANY SHOW BREEDER
>I'VE TALKED TO. NOT JUST DOGMEN BUT I'VE ALSO FOUND BOTH GREYHOUND AND
>ESPECIALLY HORSE BREEDERS KNOW A LOT ABOUT BREEDING, SELECTIVE
>BREEDING AND GENETICS.
>SOME OF THE OTHER BREEDERS DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY REDNOSE DOGS
>CANNOT HAVE BLACK NOSE PUPS.
>"They look for big strong dogs that can be made mean enough, usually
>through
>abuse and neglect, to fight with other dogs and to menace people."
>IS THAT SO? MOST OF THE ONES I HAVE MET HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN OVER 35LBS.
>I HAVE MET SOME WHO WERE ALMOST 50LBS BUT THOSE ARE FEW AND FAR
>BETWEEN. THEY PREFER SMALLER DOGS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ANY DOG CAN
>BE MADE MEAN DESPITE SIZE AND ALL APBTS ARE STRONG, THE SMALLER
>PUREBRED ONES USUALLY WIN MOST WEIGHT PULLED PER BODY POUND AGAINST
>THE BIG BUR MUTTS. FIGHTING DOGS ARE NO MENACE TO POEPLE.
>
>* MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have been selectively bred to develop a
>strong fighting instinct and a low level of fighting inhibition, which
>make these breeds of dogs hazards to humans as well as to other
>animals. Once again, I must point out the thousands of bull terrier
>dogs who regularly participate every year without incident in
>conformation shows, obedience trials, agility trials, weight pulls,
>and other events sponsored by U.K.C. and other registries. By the way,
>a review of the history of these breeds reveals that the 19th century
>breeders selected dogs that would not attack humans because there were
>always three people in the pit with the dogs. The dogs had to be
>willing to be pulled out of the fight by their owner without causing
>injury to the owner. The worst of the old fighting dogs were NEVER
>bred or encouraged to attack people. That is a twentieth-century
>phenomenon that has grown up with the crack epidemic in our cities.
>The drug dealers and gamblers who keep "attack" dogs are certainly not
>wasting their time or energy selectively breeding these dogs. They buy
>dogs from irresponsible breeders and keep the mean ones.
>
>OK LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT THESE "DOG FIGHTER" KNOW HOW TO SELECTIVLY
>BREED PEOPLE FRIENDLY DOGS AND THEY DON'T GET BIT BY CULLING MAN
>BITERS, BUT THEY AREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO BREED GAME DOGS BY ONLY
>BREEDING THE GAME ONES AND CULLING OUT THE CURS? YEAH THAT REALLY
>MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, NOT!!!
>AND IF THIS IS TRUE WHY WOULD IT MATTER I THOUGHT THESE PEOPLE DON'T
>BREED PURE DOGS, SO THEIR DOGS AREN'T APBTS ANYWAY? THEY ARE JUST BIG,
>STRONG DOGS MADE MEAN AND A MENACE TO PEOPLE, HMM CONTRADICTORY!
>
>ITS NOT JUST THUGS IN INNER CITIES ITS LOW LIVES & BYBS EVERYWHERE,
>BELIEVE ME I HAVE NEIGHBORS LIKE THIS WITH DIFFERENT BREEDS APBTS,
>ROTTS, SHEPHERDS AND EVEN MIXES OF THESE BREEDS, NOW THEY ARE EVEN
>TRYING TO HIT THE RARE BREEDS, PRESAS AND CORSOS MAINLY(to make more
>money b/c they are rare and have more powerful guard dogs). IF THOSE
>BREEDERS AREN'T TOO CAREFUL THERE BREED MAY END UP IN THE SAME LIGHT
>AS THE PIT BULL. NOT TOO MENTION JUST PLAIN UNEDUCATED/IRRESPONSIBLE
>OWNERS THAT NEVER TRAIN OR SOCIALIZE THERE DOGS AND LET THEM ROAM THE
>NEIGHBORHOOD FREELY.
>
>* MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have a tendency to attack even those
>persons that exhibit no provocative behavior. Dog attacks have become
>such media events that virtually every reported dog bite is
>transformed into an unprovoked attack on an innocent child by a
>semi-mythical monster dog, the dreaded " Pit Bull." Most are
>UNPROVOKED and by breeds other than the Bull Terrier breeds.
>
>VERY TRUE I HAVE SEEN DOZENS OF CASES WHERE SOMEONE WAS BIT BY A BREED
>OTHER THAN A PIT BULL AND YET PEOPLE CLAIM IT WAS A PIT BULL.
>ON THE OTHER HAND THEY USUALLY ARE UNPROVOKED, AT LEAST MOST OF THE
>ONES I HAVE SEEN ARE. SOME YES WERE PROVOKED OTHERS A CHILD IS ACTING
>IN A NORMAL FASHION AND MAY NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN MESSING WITH THE DOG IN
>ANYWAY. EITHER WAY THE CHILD SHOULDN'T BE ATTACKED BECAUSE OF A STUPID
>DOG OWNER. I THINK THAT OWNERS SHOULD RECIEVE SERIOUS PRISON TIME AND
>FINES WHEN THEIR DOGS HAVE BEEN BITING PEOPLE AND FINALLY ATTACK/KILL.
>
>* MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have a tendency to fight to the death
>and never quit a fight once engaged, which results in more severe
>injuries than those inflicted by other breeds. It is the nature of
>animals to avoid fights where possible, to fight only as long as is
>necessary, and to quit when beaten or when the opponent concedes.
>
>FIRST OFF PIT BULLS ARE NOT OTHER DOGS. THEY HAVE BEEN BREED FOR A
>CERTAIN REASON AND THAT WAS DOG FIGHTING AND BULL BAITING. ITS VERY
>TRUE, LET ME STATE THAT AGAIN VERY TRUE THAT ONCE THEY ARE ENGAGED IN
>COMBAT THEY ARE NOT LIKELY TO STOP WITHOUT INFLICTING SERIOUS INJURY
>OR KILLING THE OTHER DOG. THAT IS WHY IT IS SO VERY IMPORTANT NOT TO
>LEAVE A PIT UNSUPERVISED WITH ANOTHER DOG JUST INCASE A FIGHT WERE TO
>HAPPEN. NOW BY ALL MEANS NO NOT MANY WILL FIGHT ANOTHER BULLDOG TO THE
>DEATH AND NOT QUIT. WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE TWO
>PITS HAVE FOUGHT IS ONE DID QUIT FIGHTING PROBABLY NOT TOO LONG INTO
>THE FIGHT AND FOR THAT FACT WAS KILLED, THEN YOU COME HOME AND YOUR
>PIT BULL IS WAITING HAPPY FOR YOU AFTER FINISHING OFF THE OTHER DOG
>BECAUSE IT QUIT. THIS CAN BE AVOIDED BY KEEPING THEM SEPERATE WHEN NO
>ONE IS AROUND. SO EVEN IF THE "OPPONENT" "CONCEDES" THE OTHER DOG MAY
>NOT QUIT UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE.
>
>IF DOGS FOUGHT TO THE DEATH YOU WOULDN'T SEE CHAMPION FIGHTING DOGS
>WHO CAN WIN 7,8 OR + MATCHES AND NEVER BECOME A GRAND CHAMP BECAUSE
>ONCE A DOG LOOSES A MATCH ITS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR GR CH TITLE. NO MATTER
>HOW MANY MORE TIMES ITS MATCHED AND WINS, DUH!!
>
>"Dog fighting created unnatural situations where dogs were not allowed
>to
>concede or to flee. Naturally, they fought to the death where they had
>no alternative. Remember, too, these were artificially stimulated
>attacks on other dogs--not attacks on persons."
>
>LOL, GET SOME EDUCATION. DOGS WERE VERY MUCH ALLOWED TO BOTH CONCEED
>AND FLEE. THAT IS HOW YOU GET LOSERS HUN, OR CURS WHICH EVER YOU
>PREFER. A DOG CONCEEDS WHEN IT 1. STANDS THE SCRATCH 2. QUITS FIGHTING
>AND REFUSES TO FIGHT BACK, AND AGAIN WONT SCRATCH WHEN TAKEN TO THE
>LINE. 3. JUMPS THE PIT WALLS IN EXCAPE.
>4. SOME DOGS ARE UNABLE TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT OR HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF
>DAMGE. THESE DOGS ARE PICKED UP BY THEIR OWNERS IN ORDER TO SAVE THEIR
>LIVES. THEY SILL LOOSE THE MATCH BUT AT LEAST YOU STILL HAVE YOUR DOG.
>THE RISK OF THE DOG BEING KILLED OUTWAYS THE FACT THAT IT WILL BE
>LOOSING THE MATCH.
>HASN'T THIS PERSON TAKEN ANYTIME TO LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT THE BREED.
>THESE DOGS WERE NEVER FOUGHT TO THE DEATH. THAT WASN'T THE POINT. A
>DOG WOULD MOST LIKELY QUIT BEFORE THAT AND THE OTHER DOG WOULD BE THE
>WINNER OR ONE WOULD BE PICKED UP BY ITS HANDLER SO IT WOULDN'T BE
>KILLED.
>LETS ALSO REMEMBER THAT THEY WERE ONLY STIMULATED BY SEEING THE OTHER
>DOG IN THE PIT, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY THEY ENJOYED IT. SOME DOGS GO
>HOG NUTS WHEN THEY KNOW THEIR GOING TO A MATCH. NO ENCOURAGING IN
>ANYWAY, SHAPE OR FORM. I'VE EVEN SEEN DOGS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A
>FIGHT AND DISCOURAGED FROM IT GO WILD WHEN THEY SEE ANOTHER DOG
>WHINING AND SCREAMING, GETTING MORE FUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY AREN'T
>ALLOWED TO DO SO. WHEN A DOG DIDN'T SCRATCH IT WASN'T FORCED TO FIGHT
>ANY LONGER, THE MATCH WAS OVER.
>
>JUST LET YOURSELF BE ENLIGHTENED AND LEARN THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH CAN
>SAVE LIVES AND IS ALWAYS WORTH LETTING PEOPLE KNOW. WHY HIDE OR TRY TO
>DENY THE TRUTH OF THE BREED. I THOUGHT THAT IS WAS BREEDERS/OWNERS
>RESPONSIBILITY TO LET OTHERS KNOW THE TRUTH? EVEN THOUGH MOST DON'T
>AGREE WITH DOG FIGHTING IT SHOULD STILL BE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT IS VERY
>MUCH A PART OF THE BREED'S HISTORY AND ACCOUNTS FOR SOME OF ITS
>CHARACTARISTICS. SAYING DOG FIGHTING HAS HAD NO AFFECT ON THESE DOGS
>IS LIKE SAYING BLOODHOUNDS DON'T HAVE A NATURAL TENDENCY TO TRACK, OR
>SHEPHERDS TO HEARD, WHICH OF COURSE THEY DO I HAVE OWNED SHEPHERD AND
>ONE THING THEY LOVE IS HERDING WHETHER THEY ARE A VETERAN OR THIS IS
>THEIR FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH A SHEEP. THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO AND JUST
>NEED A LITTLE DIRECTION.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 2:30 am
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Jacks, I swear on my children that CPit_Dogs is not me or anyone
I know..And I told you so many times I do not lie nor have a need
to.... CPit_Dogs posts sounds just like me because she/he is
obviously to me a real pitbull owner not a pretender..

"jacks" <jacks RemoveThis @home.com> wrote in message
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: I think jocurpit has a new name to post under. LMAO
:
:
:
: On 1 Nov 2003 15:51:47 -0800, Candy_Bulldogs RemoveThis @37.com (CPit_Dogs)
wrote:
:
: >This was actually written by UKC VP Cindy Cook, some one you'd
assume
: >was educated.
: >
: >* MYTH: The " Pit bull" breeds have been selectively bred for
the
: >purpose of dog fighting." In fact, the overwhelming majority
of
: >breeders is, and has been for decades, selectively breeding
the bull
: >terrier breeds as companion and working animals. Dog fighters
: >represent a negligible minority of the fanciers of these
breeds. Most
: >dog fighters are not selectively breeding at all and few, if
any, of
: >their dogs are even purebred. These people are not educated in
the
: >methodology of selecting and fixing particular traits in a
breed. They
: >look for big strong dogs that can be made mean enough, usually
through
: >abuse and neglect, to fight with other dogs and to menace
people.
: >
: >I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE WHAT I'VE READ. ANYONE WHO TRULY KNOWS
THE APBT
: >KNOWS THEY CAN BE DOG AGGRESSIVE AND WANT TO FIGHT DESPITE
TRAINING
: >THEM OTHERWISE AND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SELECTIVLY BRED FOR
GAMENESS
: >WHICH WAS TESTED BY FIGHTING THE DOGS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. IT
IS TRUE
: >A LOT OF BREEDER BRED FOR THINGS OTHER THAN GAMENESS, AS DOG
FIGHTING
: >IS ILLEGAL NOW AND OTHER USES HAVE BEEN FOUND. THERE ARE IN
FACT STILL
: >A LARGE NUMBER OF DOGMEN OUT THERE, JUST FEW PEOPLE KNOW WHO
THEY ARE.
: >"DOG FIGHTERS" AS SHE CALLS THEM SELECTIVLY BREED FOR GAMENESS
: >OTHERWISE THERE WOULDN'T BE CULLING OF CURS, OR THE NEED TO
SEE WHICH
: >DOG IS GAME AND THE BEST TO BREED. THEIR DOGS ARE IN FACT THE
MOST
: >PURE OF ALL APBTS, AS MIXING THEM WITH CURS WOULD ONLY MAKE
THEM CURS
: >AND NOT GAME AT ALL. GAMENESS IS AN EASY TRAIT TO LOOSE AND
BREEDING
: >THE DOG WITH A CUR YOU WILL GET DOGS WHO CUR. I HAVE HOWEVER
SEEN SO
: >MANY PULL DOGS MIXED WITH CURS ITS UNBELIEVABLE THE MOST
POPULAR BEING
: >BANDOGS, AND OTEHRS MIXED WITH CANE CORSO OR BULLMASTIFF AND
THESE
: >DOGS ARE REGISTERED AS PURE WHEN THEY ARE NOT.
: >MANY OF THE OLDER DOGMEN I HAVE MET WHO HAVE BEEN BREEDING FOR
YEARS,
: >EVEN GENERATIONS KNOW A LOT ABOUT BREEDING, MORE THEN ANY SHOW
BREEDER
: >I'VE TALKED TO. NOT JUST DOGMEN BUT I'VE ALSO FOUND BOTH
GREYHOUND AND
: >ESPECIALLY HORSE BREEDERS KNOW A LOT ABOUT BREEDING, SELECTIVE
: >BREEDING AND GENETICS.
: >SOME OF THE OTHER BREEDERS DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY REDNOSE
DOGS
: >CANNOT HAVE BLACK NOSE PUPS.
: >"They look for big strong dogs that can be made mean enough,
usually
: >through
: >abuse and neglect, to fight with other dogs and to menace
people."
: >IS THAT SO? MOST OF THE ONES I HAVE MET HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN OVER
35LBS.
: >I HAVE MET SOME WHO WERE ALMOST 50LBS BUT THOSE ARE FEW AND
FAR
: >BETWEEN. THEY PREFER SMALLER DOGS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ANY
DOG CAN
: >BE MADE MEAN DESPITE SIZE AND ALL APBTS ARE STRONG, THE
SMALLER
: >PUREBRED ONES USUALLY WIN MOST WEIGHT PULLED PER BODY POUND
AGAINST
: >THE BIG BUR MUTTS. FIGHTING DOGS ARE NO MENACE TO POEPLE.
: >
: >* MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have been selectively bred to
develop a
: >strong fighting instinct and a low level of fighting
inhibition, which
: >make these breeds of dogs hazards to humans as well as to
other
: >animals. Once again, I must point out the thousands of bull
terrier
: >dogs who regularly participate every year without incident in
: >conformation shows, obedience trials, agility trials, weight
pulls,
: >and other events sponsored by U.K.C. and other registries. By
the way,
: >a review of the history of these breeds reveals that the 19th
century
: >breeders selected dogs that would not attack humans because
there were
: >always three people in the pit with the dogs. The dogs had to
be
: >willing to be pulled out of the fight by their owner without
causing
: >injury to the owner. The worst of the old fighting dogs were
NEVER
: >bred or encouraged to attack people. That is a
twentieth-century
: >phenomenon that has grown up with the crack epidemic in our
cities.
: >The drug dealers and gamblers who keep "attack" dogs are
certainly not
: >wasting their time or energy selectively breeding these dogs.
They buy
: >dogs from irresponsible breeders and keep the mean ones.
: >
: >OK LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT THESE "DOG FIGHTER" KNOW HOW TO
SELECTIVLY
: >BREED PEOPLE FRIENDLY DOGS AND THEY DON'T GET BIT BY CULLING
MAN
: >BITERS, BUT THEY AREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO BREED GAME DOGS BY
ONLY
: >BREEDING THE GAME ONES AND CULLING OUT THE CURS? YEAH THAT
REALLY
: >MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, NOT!!!
: >AND IF THIS IS TRUE WHY WOULD IT MATTER I THOUGHT THESE PEOPLE
DON'T
: >BREED PURE DOGS, SO THEIR DOGS AREN'T APBTS ANYWAY? THEY ARE
JUST BIG,
: >STRONG DOGS MADE MEAN AND A MENACE TO PEOPLE, HMM
CONTRADICTORY!
: >
: >ITS NOT JUST THUGS IN INNER CITIES ITS LOW LIVES & BYBS
EVERYWHERE,
: >BELIEVE ME I HAVE NEIGHBORS LIKE THIS WITH DIFFERENT BREEDS
APBTS,
: >ROTTS, SHEPHERDS AND EVEN MIXES OF THESE BREEDS, NOW THEY ARE
EVEN
: >TRYING TO HIT THE RARE BREEDS, PRESAS AND CORSOS MAINLY(to
make more
: >money b/c they are rare and have more powerful guard dogs). IF
THOSE
: >BREEDERS AREN'T TOO CAREFUL THERE BREED MAY END UP IN THE SAME
LIGHT
: >AS THE PIT BULL. NOT TOO MENTION JUST PLAIN
UNEDUCATED/IRRESPONSIBLE
: >OWNERS THAT NEVER TRAIN OR SOCIALIZE THERE DOGS AND LET THEM
ROAM THE
: >NEIGHBORHOOD FREELY.
: >
: >* MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have a tendency to attack even
those
: >persons that exhibit no provocative behavior. Dog attacks have
become
: >such media events that virtually every reported dog bite is
: >transformed into an unprovoked attack on an innocent child by
a
: >semi-mythical monster dog, the dreaded " Pit Bull." Most are
: >UNPROVOKED and by breeds other than the Bull Terrier breeds.
: >
: >VERY TRUE I HAVE SEEN DOZENS OF CASES WHERE SOMEONE WAS BIT BY
A BREED
: >OTHER THAN A PIT BULL AND YET PEOPLE CLAIM IT WAS A PIT BULL.
: >ON THE OTHER HAND THEY USUALLY ARE UNPROVOKED, AT LEAST MOST
OF THE
: >ONES I HAVE SEEN ARE. SOME YES WERE PROVOKED OTHERS A CHILD IS
ACTING
: >IN A NORMAL FASHION AND MAY NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN MESSING WITH
THE DOG IN
: >ANYWAY. EITHER WAY THE CHILD SHOULDN'T BE ATTACKED BECAUSE OF
A STUPID
: >DOG OWNER. I THINK THAT OWNERS SHOULD RECIEVE SERIOUS PRISON
TIME AND
: >FINES WHEN THEIR DOGS HAVE BEEN BITING PEOPLE AND FINALLY
ATTACK/KILL.
: >
: >* MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have a tendency to fight to the
death
: >and never quit a fight once engaged, which results in more
severe
: >injuries than those inflicted by other breeds. It is the
nature of
: >animals to avoid fights where possible, to fight only as long
as is
: >necessary, and to quit when beaten or when the opponent
concedes.
: >
: >FIRST OFF PIT BULLS ARE NOT OTHER DOGS. THEY HAVE BEEN BREED
FOR A
: >CERTAIN REASON AND THAT WAS DOG FIGHTING AND BULL BAITING. ITS
VERY
: >TRUE, LET ME STATE THAT AGAIN VERY TRUE THAT ONCE THEY ARE
ENGAGED IN
: >COMBAT THEY ARE NOT LIKELY TO STOP WITHOUT INFLICTING SERIOUS
INJURY
: >OR KILLING THE OTHER DOG. THAT IS WHY IT IS SO VERY IMPORTANT
NOT TO
: >LEAVE A PIT UNSUPERVISED WITH ANOTHER DOG JUST INCASE A FIGHT
WERE TO
: >HAPPEN. NOW BY ALL MEANS NO NOT MANY WILL FIGHT ANOTHER
BULLDOG TO THE
: >DEATH AND NOT QUIT. WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IN THESE SITUATIONS
WHERE TWO
: >PITS HAVE FOUGHT IS ONE DID QUIT FIGHTING PROBABLY NOT TOO
LONG INTO
: >THE FIGHT AND FOR THAT FACT WAS KILLED, THEN YOU COME HOME AND
YOUR
: >PIT BULL IS WAITING HAPPY FOR YOU AFTER FINISHING OFF THE
OTHER DOG
: >BECAUSE IT QUIT. THIS CAN BE AVOIDED BY KEEPING THEM SEPERATE
WHEN NO
: >ONE IS AROUND. SO EVEN IF THE "OPPONENT" "CONCEDES" THE OTHER
DOG MAY
: >NOT QUIT UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE.
: >
: >IF DOGS FOUGHT TO THE DEATH YOU WOULDN'T SEE CHAMPION FIGHTING
DOGS
: >WHO CAN WIN 7,8 OR + MATCHES AND NEVER BECOME A GRAND CHAMP
BECAUSE
: >ONCE A DOG LOOSES A MATCH ITS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR GR CH TITLE. NO
MATTER
: >HOW MANY MORE TIMES ITS MATCHED AND WINS, DUH!!
: >
: >"Dog fighting created unnatural situations where dogs were not
allowed
: >to
: >concede or to flee. Naturally, they fought to the death where
they had
: >no alternative. Remember, too, these were artificially
stimulated
: >attacks on other dogs--not attacks on persons."
: >
: >LOL, GET SOME EDUCATION. DOGS WERE VERY MUCH ALLOWED TO BOTH
CONCEED
: >AND FLEE. THAT IS HOW YOU GET LOSERS HUN, OR CURS WHICH EVER
YOU
: >PREFER. A DOG CONCEEDS WHEN IT 1. STANDS THE SCRATCH 2. QUITS
FIGHTING
: >AND REFUSES TO FIGHT BACK, AND AGAIN WONT SCRATCH WHEN TAKEN
TO THE
: >LINE. 3. JUMPS THE PIT WALLS IN EXCAPE.
: >4. SOME DOGS ARE UNABLE TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT OR HAVE TAKEN A
LOT OF
: >DAMGE. THESE DOGS ARE PICKED UP BY THEIR OWNERS IN ORDER TO
SAVE THEIR
: >LIVES. THEY SILL LOOSE THE MATCH BUT AT LEAST YOU STILL HAVE
YOUR DOG.
: >THE RISK OF THE DOG BEING KILLED OUTWAYS THE FACT THAT IT WILL
BE
: >LOOSING THE MATCH.
: >HASN'T THIS PERSON TAKEN ANYTIME TO LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT THE
BREED.
: >THESE DOGS WERE NEVER FOUGHT TO THE DEATH. THAT WASN'T THE
POINT. A
: >DOG WOULD MOST LIKELY QUIT BEFORE THAT AND THE OTHER DOG WOULD
BE THE
: >WINNER OR ONE WOULD BE PICKED UP BY ITS HANDLER SO IT WOULDN'T
BE
: >KILLED.
: >LETS ALSO REMEMBER THAT THEY WERE ONLY STIMULATED BY SEEING
THE OTHER
: >DOG IN THE PIT, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY THEY ENJOYED IT. SOME
DOGS GO
: >HOG NUTS WHEN THEY KNOW THEIR GOING TO A MATCH. NO ENCOURAGING
IN
: >ANYWAY, SHAPE OR FORM. I'VE EVEN SEEN DOGS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN
IN A
: >FIGHT AND DISCOURAGED FROM IT GO WILD WHEN THEY SEE ANOTHER
DOG
: >WHINING AND SCREAMING, GETTING MORE FUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY
AREN'T
: >ALLOWED TO DO SO. WHEN A DOG DIDN'T SCRATCH IT WASN'T FORCED
TO FIGHT
: >ANY LONGER, THE MATCH WAS OVER.
: >
: >JUST LET YOURSELF BE ENLIGHTENED AND LEARN THE TRUTH. THE
TRUTH CAN
: >SAVE LIVES AND IS ALWAYS WORTH LETTING PEOPLE KNOW. WHY HIDE
OR TRY TO
: >DENY THE TRUTH OF THE BREED. I THOUGHT THAT IS WAS
BREEDERS/OWNERS
: >RESPONSIBILITY TO LET OTHERS KNOW THE TRUTH? EVEN THOUGH MOST
DON'T
: >AGREE WITH DOG FIGHTING IT SHOULD STILL BE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT
IS VERY
: >MUCH A PART OF THE BREED'S HISTORY AND ACCOUNTS FOR SOME OF
ITS
: >CHARACTARISTICS. SAYING DOG FIGHTING HAS HAD NO AFFECT ON
THESE DOGS
: >IS LIKE SAYING BLOODHOUNDS DON'T HAVE A NATURAL TENDENCY TO
TRACK, OR
: >SHEPHERDS TO HEARD, WHICH OF COURSE THEY DO I HAVE OWNED
SHEPHERD AND
: >ONE THING THEY LOVE IS HERDING WHETHER THEY ARE A VETERAN OR
THIS IS
: >THEIR FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH A SHEEP. THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO AND
JUST
: >NEED A LITTLE DIRECTION.
:
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Thanks for the welcome Jokerpit. If it a game it ain't a true pit
bull. There are so many curs mixes out there being passed off as the
real thing, when one of those dogs bites it another strike against ALL
Pit Bulls. I've adored the breed as long as I can remember. Since I
met my first as a young child I was hooked. I guess I just went on a
rant with this thread, glad somebody read it.
I just wish people would take the simple time to learn about any breed
before spreading lies on the breed or owning the breed.
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WELCOME

There are some others here that are believers in the TRUTH as I
like to say..

It sounds as we are very much kindered spirits and I for one hope
you continue to grace us with your presence...

Tell us about your dogs if you have the time please...


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: Thanks for the welcome Jokerpit. If it a game it ain't a true
pit
: bull. There are so many curs mixes out there being passed off
as the
: real thing, when one of those dogs bites it another strike
against ALL
: Pit Bulls. I've adored the breed as long as I can remember.
Since I
: met my first as a young child I was hooked. I guess I just went
on a
: rant with this thread, glad somebody read it.
: I just wish people would take the simple time to learn about
any breed
: before spreading lies on the breed or owning the breed.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:33 pm
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As of right now I only have a small yard as of now (which is great).
I've cut down on what I did have before. I mostly have Jeep, Red Boy,
Rascal, Bolio and different strains of Eli. Thats a little right
there. I'd like to know some about your dogs Jokerpit?

"Jokerpit" <BulldogJustice.TakeThisOut@pitbull.net> wrote in message news:<WqWdnTzflpRL5TuiRVn-ig.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>...
> WELCOME
>
> There are some others here that are believers in the TRUTH as I
> like to say..
>
> It sounds as we are very much kindered spirits and I for one hope
> you continue to grace us with your presence...
>
> Tell us about your dogs if you have the time please...
>
>
> "CPit_Dogs" <Candy_Bulldogs.TakeThisOut@37.com> wrote in message
> news:4bb04193.0311021744.56f5b0c1@posting.google.com...
> : Thanks for the welcome Jokerpit. If it a game it ain't a true
> pit
> : bull. There are so many curs mixes out there being passed off
> as the
> : real thing, when one of those dogs bites it another strike
> against ALL
> : Pit Bulls. I've adored the breed as long as I can remember.
> Since I
> : met my first as a young child I was hooked. I guess I just went
> on a
> : rant with this thread, glad somebody read it.
> : I just wish people would take the simple time to learn about
> any breed
> : before spreading lies on the breed or owning the breed.
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you said it eli all the way with some chinaman..brother to big
boss man is my stud...
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: As of right now I only have a small yard as of now (which is
great).
: I've cut down on what I did have before. I mostly have Jeep,
Red Boy,
: Rascal, Bolio and different strains of Eli. Thats a little
right
: there. I'd like to know some about your dogs Jokerpit?
:
: "Jokerpit" <BulldogJustice RemoveThis @pitbull.net> wrote in message
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: > WELCOME
: >
: > There are some others here that are believers in the TRUTH
as I
: > like to say..
: >
: > It sounds as we are very much kindered spirits and I for one
hope
: > you continue to grace us with your presence...
: >
: > Tell us about your dogs if you have the time please...
: >
: >
: > "CPit_Dogs" <Candy_Bulldogs RemoveThis @37.com> wrote in message
: > news:4bb04193.0311021744.56f5b0c1@posting.google.com...
: > : Thanks for the welcome Jokerpit. If it a game it ain't a
true
: > pit
: > : bull. There are so many curs mixes out there being passed
off
: > as the
: > : real thing, when one of those dogs bites it another strike
: > against ALL
: > : Pit Bulls. I've adored the breed as long as I can remember.
: > Since I
: > : met my first as a young child I was hooked. I guess I just
went
: > on a
: > : rant with this thread, glad somebody read it.
: > : I just wish people would take the simple time to learn
about
: > any breed
: > : before spreading lies on the breed or owning the breed.
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too funny. I like your sense of humour.
"Priveye" <rll.RemoveThis@priveye.com> wrote in message
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> Hmmm, pitbull PC, let's see now:
>
> Dogmen have nothing to do with the breeding of pitbulls
> Islam is a peaceful religion
> The checks in the mail
> I won't co.....never mind
>
> What a dope!
>
> Roscoe
>
>
> "CPit_Dogs" <Candy_Bulldogs.RemoveThis@37.com> wrote in message
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> > This was actually written by UKC VP Cindy Cook, some one you'd assume
> > was educated.
> >
> > * MYTH: The " Pit bull" breeds have been selectively bred for the
> > purpose of dog fighting." In fact, the overwhelming majority of
> > breeders is, and has been for decades, selectively breeding the bull
> > terrier breeds as companion and working animals. Dog fighters
> > represent a negligible minority of the fanciers of these breeds. Most
> > dog fighters are not selectively breeding at all and few, if any, of
> > their dogs are even purebred. These people are not educated in the
> > methodology of selecting and fixing particular traits in a breed. They
> > look for big strong dogs that can be made mean enough, usually through
> > abuse and neglect, to fight with other dogs and to menace people.
> >
> > I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE WHAT I'VE READ. ANYONE WHO TRULY KNOWS THE APBT
> > KNOWS THEY CAN BE DOG AGGRESSIVE AND WANT TO FIGHT DESPITE TRAINING
> > THEM OTHERWISE AND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SELECTIVLY BRED FOR GAMENESS
> > WHICH WAS TESTED BY FIGHTING THE DOGS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. IT IS TRUE
> > A LOT OF BREEDER BRED FOR THINGS OTHER THAN GAMENESS, AS DOG FIGHTING
> > IS ILLEGAL NOW AND OTHER USES HAVE BEEN FOUND. THERE ARE IN FACT STILL
> > A LARGE NUMBER OF DOGMEN OUT THERE, JUST FEW PEOPLE KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
> > "DOG FIGHTERS" AS SHE CALLS THEM SELECTIVLY BREED FOR GAMENESS
> > OTHERWISE THERE WOULDN'T BE CULLING OF CURS, OR THE NEED TO SEE WHICH
> > DOG IS GAME AND THE BEST TO BREED. THEIR DOGS ARE IN FACT THE MOST
> > PURE OF ALL APBTS, AS MIXING THEM WITH CURS WOULD ONLY MAKE THEM CURS
> > AND NOT GAME AT ALL. GAMENESS IS AN EASY TRAIT TO LOOSE AND BREEDING
> > THE DOG WITH A CUR YOU WILL GET DOGS WHO CUR. I HAVE HOWEVER SEEN SO
> > MANY PULL DOGS MIXED WITH CURS ITS UNBELIEVABLE THE MOST POPULAR BEING
> > BANDOGS, AND OTEHRS MIXED WITH CANE CORSO OR BULLMASTIFF AND THESE
> > DOGS ARE REGISTERED AS PURE WHEN THEY ARE NOT.
> > MANY OF THE OLDER DOGMEN I HAVE MET WHO HAVE BEEN BREEDING FOR YEARS,
> > EVEN GENERATIONS KNOW A LOT ABOUT BREEDING, MORE THEN ANY SHOW BREEDER
> > I'VE TALKED TO. NOT JUST DOGMEN BUT I'VE ALSO FOUND BOTH GREYHOUND AND
> > ESPECIALLY HORSE BREEDERS KNOW A LOT ABOUT BREEDING, SELECTIVE
> > BREEDING AND GENETICS.
> > SOME OF THE OTHER BREEDERS DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY REDNOSE DOGS
> > CANNOT HAVE BLACK NOSE PUPS.
> > "They look for big strong dogs that can be made mean enough, usually
> > through
> > abuse and neglect, to fight with other dogs and to menace people."
> > IS THAT SO? MOST OF THE ONES I HAVE MET HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN OVER 35LBS.
> > I HAVE MET SOME WHO WERE ALMOST 50LBS BUT THOSE ARE FEW AND FAR
> > BETWEEN. THEY PREFER SMALLER DOGS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ANY DOG CAN
> > BE MADE MEAN DESPITE SIZE AND ALL APBTS ARE STRONG, THE SMALLER
> > PUREBRED ONES USUALLY WIN MOST WEIGHT PULLED PER BODY POUND AGAINST
> > THE BIG BUR MUTTS. FIGHTING DOGS ARE NO MENACE TO POEPLE.
> >
> > * MYTH: The " Pit Bull" breeds have been selectively bred to develop a
> > strong fighting instinct and a low level of fighting inhibition, which
> > make these breeds of dogs hazards to humans as well as to other
> > animals. Once again, I must point out the thousands of bull terrier
> > dogs who regularly participate every year without incident in
> > conformation shows, obedience trials, agility trials, weight pulls,
> > and other events sponsored by U.K.C. and other registries. By the way,
> > a review of the history of these breeds reveals that the 19th century
> > breeders selected dogs that would not attack humans because there were