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> > "Kathleen" <khhfmdeletethis.DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote in message
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Kathleen spoke:
(Again, completely without attribution, the second one as well)
Have you ever personally met dogs (or even *a* dog) of both or either
breed(s)? Chatted with their breeders, handlers or owners? Seen them
shown? Talked to a judge?
I could write up an article about the physical and temperamental
differences between black-and-white border collies and white-and-black
border collies and I could make it convincing enough that Wikipedia ("The
Dumb-Ass Reference of Choice") would keep it up and people would read it and
nod sagely, and say, "See, it must be true".
And anybody who had any experience with the actual dogs would smack their
heads with their palms and resign themselves to dealing with a wave of
educumated dumbasses who know all about the major temperamental,
physical and behavioral differences between the two breeds.
What people who know what the hell they're talking about say:
http://www.norwichandnorfolkterrier.org/
From the FAQ:
What is the difference between a Norwich and a Norfolk terrier?
Norwich and Norfolk terriers were originally one breed, called
Norwich terriers - but distinguished informally as "prick-ears" or
"drop-ears". In England in 1964, the (British) Kennel Club separated the
breed into two, with the drop-ears taking the name of Norfolk Terrier and
the prick-ears retaining the name of Norwich Terrier.
Effective 1 January 1979, the American Kennel Club took the same step.
Those who have both breeds say that there are other subtle
differences between Norwich and Norfolk terriers. This is often a topic of
conversation when Norwich and Norfolk breeders meet.
Even breeders of both breeds (and I personally can't think of any which is
not to say they don't exist) will admit that other than the ears the
differences are *SUBTLE*.
As late as 1963 in Great Britain they were the same breed. Same DNA pool
with minor phenotypical variations.
For AKC purposes they were *the same breed* until 1979. Exactly how much
differentiation do you think the two bloodlines could could have undergone
in the 28 years since?
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pfoley spoke:
You should discuss your problems with the AKC and CKC. I didn't make the
ruling. The first article shown in the previous message above came from a
breeder of Norfolk and Norwich Terriers site. This is their link.
Breeder
http://www.angelfire.com/folk/wildgoose_terriers/index.html
The second article I posted in the above message , explaining the ruling,
came from the AKC site. If you insist that they are one breed, then at this
date in time, you would be wrong.
AKC Norfolk History
http://www.akc.org/breeds/norfolk_terrier/history.cfm
This link below from a breeder shows the CKC standard for Norfolk Terriers
and the second link shows the CKC standard for Norwich Terriers. These are
judges references. As you can see from the photos, they do look a little
different from each other.
CKC standard for Norfolk Terrier
http://www.angelfire.com/folk/wildgoose_terriers/Breed%20Description/p...norf_st
CKC standard for Norwich Terriers
http://www.angelfire.com/folk/wildgoose_terriers/Breed%20Description/p...norw_st
They are both very cute, but I don't think I want to talk about them
anymore.
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