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Michael Rozdoba wrote:
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> Thanks. I've never seen that page before, so I'm pretty sure it's not
> been posted here recently. Very interesting reading. Much appreciated.
>
> I would really like to see any UK studies, if they exist; likewise,
> survival rates for spays, though I appreciate this depends greatly on
> vet expertise.

hrmm.. I am not aware of any studies on survival rates for spays. I
suspect the best you will get is anecdotal.

I have had 2 female rats spayed at about 2 years of age, and the night
after the operation, they were bouncing the cage like nothing happened
to them. I was told to 'keep them quiet'. Easier said than done :)

The ability of the vet would absolutely affect the outcome of spays. The
vet who did my two girls is someone I consider to be one of the best rat
vets in Brisbane (Qld, Australia).

Saying that, I do know of 1 or 2 rats who have died after being spayed.
But nothing is 100% safe. Seemingly healthy humans sometimes die as well
during 'routine' operations.

Zoe :)
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Zoe wrote:
> Joanne wrote:
>> Rosemary wrote:
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>>>
>>> I just think there needs to be some hard evidence, not just
>>> anecdotal, before any operation is carried out.

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> Hard evidence.. how about some scientific studies to back up what
> Joanne is saying?
>
> http://www.ratbehavior.org/TumorSpaying.htm
>
> Have a read of that.
> (I don't think anyone has posted that link yet..) :)

I haven't seen the link before - thanks for posting it; I found it
interesting. Unfortunately, from what I read on the site, there don't
seem to have been any scientific studies to investigate the incidence of
tumours in spayed rats compared to unspayed rats and what effects it has
on average lifespan (I suspect that even a small number of deaths from
the spaying procedure might dramatically bring down the average lifespan
of spayed rats, but that isn't necessarily the best way to look at the
data from our point of view - perhaps a better approach would be to give
the average lifespan of the unspayed rat (which should be given
appropriate surgical and medical treatment to make the information
obtained relevant to pet rats), the average lifespan of the spayed rat,
and the percentage that die from the spaying procedure - although of
course this will vary from vet to vet). It would be really nice to have
the information, but without it the discussion can be at best
speculative. It seems we'll all just have to go with what each of us
individually think is best, and at least our rats will still be doing
better than the average Ratatouille-driven impulse purchase victim.

The film was damn good, though. Nothing like a full-on digital projector
in a cinema with great surround sound. I don't know if I'll ever be able
to go back to watching film-projected - er - films in the cinema.

Rosemary
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heh heh it's getting a little catty in here!

sorry, i had to say it.
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"Joanne" <j-s.b RemoveThis @removesympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Rosemary wrote:
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>>
>> I just think there needs to be some hard evidence, not just anecdotal,
>> before any operation is carried out. Rosemary
>
> Are you illiterate? I've written several times of my facts with having
> over 60 females spayed and only 4 of them have a tumour recur. Our rats
> are not just from my area, they are from all over and all rescues at that,
> meaning no breeder rats and not the best of genetics. In the past 80% of
> our females developed tumours but since spaying they don't.

joanne, you truly seem to know rats and rat behavior. i would tend to take
your word regarding this informal "study". you'd be a good candidate for
doing real, documented scientific studies on rat behavior.
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