request your input for a marketing idea

Rosemary wrote:
> Michael Rozdoba <mroz DeleteThis @nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Dewi wrote:
>>
>>> I remember those posts on this group when you were criticised for
>>> promoting speying and I really do feel they were unfair. Having had
>>> all 6 of my current female rats speyed and seeing how quickly they
>>> recovered; and having lost my favorite rat to ovarian cancer I really
>>> feel the scare mongering about speying to be irresponsible. But I
>>> guess most people are basing their opinions on what they've read
>>> rather than speaking from experience.
>> My impression was that there is a genuine difference in typical health
>> problems experienced by rats either side of the pond, leading to a
>> divergence in opinion on the above. That combined perhaps with fewer
>> accessible rat savvy vets in the UK might explain it. I know our vets
>> aren't comfortable doing prophylactic speys as I talked to them about
>> this.
>
> Ooh, that reminds me - has anyone here had an appendectomy done on their
> kids; you know, just in case? I'd be interested to hear anyone's
> experiences. Also pre-emptive tonsillectomies, adenoid surgery, gall-
> bladder removal, etc.. Also I'd appreciate any information on whether
> removing one of your son's testicles could decrease his chances of
> testicular cancer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rosemary

Yes it's so cruel but yet, my rats live beyond 2 years, I've got 7 that
are over 30 months old, my Bijou lived to 41 months and my current Loki
spayed female is 3.5 years old. No tumours on any of my rats that have
been spayed so far. During a few of the spays, my vet has told me a few
were starting uterine cancer, which is a very painful way to die.
My mother in law just went through a hysterectomy because the doctors
feared she may be starting uterine cancer.
My oldest son has had adenoid surgery to try and treat his asthma, he
also needed tubes put in his ears to allow him to hear better, he also
had a double hernia when he was born and corrected.
And it is PROVEN that castration does help with rapist to control their
urges. In fact some pedophiles actually request castration.

Also, comparing rats to humans... not very realistic.

--
Joanne
The Rat Shack
www.jorats.com
 >> Stay informed about: request your input for a marketing idea 

It's obviously fine for others to have their own opinions. But the
facetious comments were not necessary or constructive.

Dewi
 >> Stay informed about: request your input for a marketing idea 

<snip all>

In response to all those responses, I posted this to remind people that
there are still posters out here who don't believe in prophylactic spaying
of rats, seeing as all the recent posts have been either condoning or not
challenging the practice. Just reminding you all that people with my point
of view do exist, in case there are any other posters out there who think
like I do but are loath to say so for whatever reason.

It was meant to be slightly facetious. BTW, Dewi, people do stick their
children in cages, quite frequently - cots, playpens, etc. . I've seen
babies that get far less out-time than my rats.

I just think there needs to be some hard evidence, not just anecdotal,
before any operation is carried out.

Rosemary
 >> Stay informed about: request your input for a marketing idea 

On Nov 8, 10:45 pm, Rosemary <mentally_subnor....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dewi <widget4....DeleteThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > It's obviously fine for others to have their own opinions. But the
> > facetious comments were not necessary or constructive.
>
> And your lack of a sense of humour is neither intelligent nor welcome. Now
> FO or stop making comments about how people were "unfair" just because you
> happened not to agree with them.
>
> Rosemary

Here we go, over the top and melodramatic again. Seriously, your
previous post didn't come across as humorous in the slightest. The
unfairness was related to the immaturity and rudeness of a couple of
those responses. The majority were rational and non-aggressive, and I
had no problem with those. Even though I don't share the same opinion
as you I have enough self control to not carry on like a child.

Enough said. I shall no longer bother reading your posts.

Dewi
 >> Stay informed about: request your input for a marketing idea 

Rosemary wrote:

>
> I just think there needs to be some hard evidence, not just anecdotal,
> before any operation is carried out.
>
> Rosemary

Are you illiterate? I've written several times of my facts with having
over 60 females spayed and only 4 of them have a tumour recur. Our rats
are not just from my area, they are from all over and all rescues at
that, meaning no breeder rats and not the best of genetics. In the past
80% of our females developed tumours but since spaying they don't. What
is it from those facts you just can't grasp?
You will be tickled pink to know that since my hard evidence, my very
experienced, exotic vet will now be insisting on spays when doing tumour
removal on all female rats. Her international colleagues are also in
agreement with her that spaying does indeed offer a huge health benefit
to females, this is in the exotic vet community. It's too bad not all
vets research and register to the exotic registry where all the
information is available. *tsk tsk*

Joanne
Change is constant, good, inevitable.
The Rat Shack
www.jorats.com
 >> Stay informed about: request your input for a marketing idea 

"Rosemary" <mentally_subnormal.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99E1108596DFrosemaryharkerhotmai@80.5.182.99...
> Michael Rozdoba <mroz.RemoveThis@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Dewi wrote:
>>
>>> I remember those posts on this group when you were criticised for
>>> promoting speying and I really do feel they were unfair. Having had
>>> all 6 of my current female rats speyed and seeing how quickly they
>>> recovered; and having lost my favorite rat to ovarian cancer I really
>>> feel the scare mongering about speying to be irresponsible. But I
>>> guess most people are basing their opinions on what they've read
>>> rather than speaking from experience.
>>
>> My impression was that there is a genuine difference in typical health
>> problems experienced by rats either side of the pond, leading to a
>> divergence in opinion on the above. That combined perhaps with fewer
>> accessible rat savvy vets in the UK might explain it. I know our vets
>> aren't comfortable doing prophylactic speys as I talked to them about
>> this.
>
> Ooh, that reminds me - has anyone here had an appendectomy done on their
> kids; you know, just in case? I'd be interested to hear anyone's
> experiences. Also pre-emptive tonsillectomies, adenoid surgery, gall-
> bladder removal, etc.. Also I'd appreciate any information on whether
> removing one of your son's testicles could decrease his chances of
> testicular cancer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rosemary

lol, i take it that you don't agree with the idea of having a rat fixed? do
you feel the same way for all animals?
 >> Stay informed about: request your input for a marketing idea 

Dewi <widget4000.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> It's obviously fine for others to have their own opinions. But the
> facetious comments were not necessary or constructive.

And your lack of a sense of humour is neither intelligent nor welcome. Now
FO or stop making comments about how people were "unfair" just because you
happened not to agree with them.

Rosemary
 >> Stay informed about: request your input for a marketing idea 

Rosemary wrote:
> Dewi <widget4000.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> It's obviously fine for others to have their own opinions. But the
>> facetious comments were not necessary or constructive.
>
> And your lack of a sense of humour is neither intelligent nor welcome. Now
> FO or stop making comments about how people were "unfair" just because you
> happened not to agree with them.
>
> Rosemary

Wow, your true colours are coming through or is this the boyfriend
replying?
Your comments are not constructive, in fact, you just made yourself look
like a fool which then will make others think that we may be the ones
that are right.
A civilized debate is healthy but your dry humour is ridiculous.

--
Joanne
The Rat Shack
www.jorats.com
 >> Stay informed about: request your input for a marketing idea 

Joanne wrote:

> Are you illiterate?

Why yes, I'm utterly illiterate. In fact, I'm dictating this to my 24-hour
employed scribe.

Rosemary
 >> Stay informed about: request your input for a marketing idea 

Rosemary wrote:
> Joanne wrote:
>
>> Are you illiterate?
>
> Why yes, I'm utterly illiterate. In fact, I'm dictating this to my 24-hour
> employed scribe.
>
> Rosemary

Just a reminder, not aimed at anyone or two in particular (honest), that
/all/ the regular posters are in this group as they care about their
rats :-)
 >> Stay informed about: request your input for a marketing idea 

Rosemary wrote:
> Joanne wrote:
>
>> Are you illiterate?
>
> Why yes, I'm utterly illiterate. In fact, I'm dictating this to my 24-hour
> employed scribe.
>
> Rosemary

lol... that was good.
Ok, I apologize. ;)

--
Joanne
The Rat Shack
www.jorats.com
 >> Stay informed about: request your input for a marketing idea 

Joanne wrote:
> Rosemary wrote:
>> Joanne wrote:
>>
>>> Are you illiterate?
>>
>> Why yes, I'm utterly illiterate. In fact, I'm dictating this to my
>> 24-hour employed scribe.
>
> lol... that was good.
> Ok, I apologize. ;)

Actually, I hate arguing - I apologise too, I get really unreasonable when
I post tired.

Rosemary
 >> Stay informed about: request your input for a marketing idea 

Joanne wrote:
> Rosemary wrote:
>
>>
>> I just think there needs to be some hard evidence, not just anecdotal,
>> before any operation is carried out.
>> Rosemary
>
> Are you illiterate? I've written several times of my facts with having
> over 60 females spayed and only 4 of them have a tumour recur. Our rats
> are not just from my area, they are from all over and all rescues at
> that, meaning no breeder rats and not the best of genetics. In the past
> 80% of our females developed tumours but since spaying they don't. What
> is it from those facts you just can't grasp?

Hard evidence.. how about some scientific studies to back up what Joanne
is saying?

http://www.ratbehavior.org/TumorSpaying.htm

Have a read of that.
(I don't think anyone has posted that link yet..) :)

And if they have and I missed it.. oops :)

Zoe
 >> Stay informed about: request your input for a marketing idea