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"Joanne" <j-s.b DeleteThis @removesympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> The Rat Lord wrote:
>> as i've said many a time on this forum, i'm a rat breeder.
>>
>> so... i was wondering what you people think about the idea of a breeder
>> hand raising rats from birth until they are old enough to be
>> spayed/neutered, then having the operations done, and then offering
>> already spayed/neutered rats for sale to rat lovers.
>>
>> pros: if any of them died it wouldn't be someone's beloved pet. people
>> would get a rat that for males wouldn't pee as much and for females would
>> have lower cancer rates. of course the rats could also be mixed without
>> constant pregnancies.
>>
>> cons: price, price, price! i would probably have to charge $60-$70.
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> For me, it would be a dream come true. But... it would also depend if you
> still sold your rats as feeders. I could never support a feeder breeder. I
> would pay the price you suggested without a doubt with proof of spay or
> neuter. But I don't think your average "customer" would.
>

hmmm.... i'll take in into consideration.
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not much response here so i doubt that it would be a good idea.

"The Rat Lord" <ratlord.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Joanne" <j-s.b.RemoveThis@removesympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>> The Rat Lord wrote:
>>> as i've said many a time on this forum, i'm a rat breeder.
>>>
>>> so... i was wondering what you people think about the idea of a breeder
>>> hand raising rats from birth until they are old enough to be
>>> spayed/neutered, then having the operations done, and then offering
>>> already spayed/neutered rats for sale to rat lovers.
>>>
>>> pros: if any of them died it wouldn't be someone's beloved pet. people
>>> would get a rat that for males wouldn't pee as much and for females
>>> would have lower cancer rates. of course the rats could also be mixed
>>> without constant pregnancies.
>>>
>>> cons: price, price, price! i would probably have to charge $60-$70.
>>>
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>> For me, it would be a dream come true. But... it would also depend if you
>> still sold your rats as feeders. I could never support a feeder breeder.
>> I would pay the price you suggested without a doubt with proof of spay or
>> neuter. But I don't think your average "customer" would.
>>
>
> hmmm.... i'll take in into consideration.
>
>
>
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The Rat Lord wrote:
> not much response here so i doubt that it would be a good idea.
>
> "The Rat Lord" <ratlord.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Joanne" <j-s.b.TakeThisOut@removesympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:ffu60h$89t$2@news.datemas.de...
>>> The Rat Lord wrote:
>>>> as i've said many a time on this forum, i'm a rat breeder.
>>>>
>>>> so... i was wondering what you people think about the idea of a breeder
>>>> hand raising rats from birth until they are old enough to be
>>>> spayed/neutered, then having the operations done, and then offering
>>>> already spayed/neutered rats for sale to rat lovers.
>>>>
>>>> pros: if any of them died it wouldn't be someone's beloved pet. people
>>>> would get a rat that for males wouldn't pee as much and for females
>>>> would have lower cancer rates. of course the rats could also be mixed
>>>> without constant pregnancies.
>>>>
>>>> cons: price, price, price! i would probably have to charge $60-$70.
>>>>
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>>> For me, it would be a dream come true. But... it would also depend if you
>>> still sold your rats as feeders. I could never support a feeder breeder.
>>> I would pay the price you suggested without a doubt with proof of spay or
>>> neuter. But I don't think your average "customer" would.
>>>
>> hmmm.... i'll take in into consideration.
>>
>>
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>
>

Where are you located? We've got a lot of UK folks here and I think
their views on spaying and neutering are not the same as in the US or
Canada. I have been called barbaric because I spay all my females for
health benefits. But if you are in America or Canada, then I would post
this question on a US board like www.goosemoose.com and check their
reactions to it. In America and Canada, spaying and neutering rats is
something we all wish we could afford. The health benefits hugely
outweighs the risks involved that is if you have a rat savvy vet.
My vet will spay/neuter rats as young as 3 weeks old but she's an exotic
vet and quite experienced at that.

--
Joanne
The Rat Shack
www.jorats.com
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On Oct 26, 7:28 pm, "The Rat Lord" <ratl....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> as i've said many a time on this forum, i'm a rat breeder.
>
> so... i was wondering what you people think about the idea of a breeder hand
> raising rats from birth until they are old enough to be spayed/neutered,
> then having the operations done, and then offering already spayed/neutered
> rats for sale to rat lovers.
>
> pros: if any of them died it wouldn't be someone's beloved pet. people would
> get a rat that for males wouldn't pee as much and for females would have
> lower cancer rates. of course the rats could also be mixed without constant
> pregnancies.
>
> cons: price, price, price! i would probably have to charge $60-$70.

It's definitely a more responsible way to sell rats. There would be a
market for it, but you may need to advertise why speyed rats are
better. Basically speyed rats = healthier rats and of course, no
babies. The price isn't too bad, lots of people could afford that.
Also people who don't have access to good rat vets, may prefer to have
their rats speyed before they get them.

I have to admit though, I cringe at the idea of breeding rats (and
cats, dogs, rabbits etc.), which is why I didn't respond initially.

Dewi
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> Where are you located? We've got a lot of UK folks here and I think
> their views on spaying and neutering are not the same as in the US or
> Canada. I have been called barbaric because I spay all my females for
> health benefits. But if you are in America or Canada, then I would post
> this question on a US board like www.goosemoose.com and check their
> reactions to it. In America and Canada, spaying and neutering rats is
> something we all wish we could afford. The health benefits hugely
> outweighs the risks involved that is if you have a rat savvy vet.
> My vet will spay/neuter rats as young as 3 weeks old but she's an exotic
> vet and quite experienced at that.
>
> --
> Joanne
> The Rat Shack
> www.jorats.com

I'm in the UK and would love to have my young boys neutered.
Sadly there is not a vet even remotely close to me with the experience
required for this, so with my 3 young boys at an awkward age I am always
having
to break up scraps.
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"The Rat Lord" <ratlord RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> as i've said many a time on this forum, i'm a rat breeder.
>
> so... i was wondering what you people think about the idea of a breeder
> hand raising rats from birth until they are old enough to be
> spayed/neutered, then having the operations done, and then offering
> already spayed/neutered rats for sale to rat lovers.
>
> pros: if any of them died it wouldn't be someone's beloved pet. people
> would get a rat that for males wouldn't pee as much and for females would
> have lower cancer rates. of course the rats could also be mixed without
> constant pregnancies.
>
> cons: price, price, price! i would probably have to charge $60-$70.
>
>
You could always start a list of pre-orders.
I don't think the price is expensive at all , considering the price
of having the op done and the aftercare needed.
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On Oct 30, 1:55 am, Joanne <j-... DeleteThis @removesympatico.ca> wrote:
> The Rat Lord wrote:
> > not much response here so i doubt that it would be a good idea.
>
> > "The Rat Lord" <ratl... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:N2_Ui.72712$%B2.23571@edtnps82...
> >> "Joanne" <j-... DeleteThis @removesympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>news:ffu60h$89t$2@news.datemas.de...
> >>> The Rat Lord wrote:
> >>>> as i've said many a time on this forum, i'm a rat breeder.
>
> >>>> so... i was wondering what you people think about the idea of a breeder
> >>>> hand raising rats from birth until they are old enough to be
> >>>> spayed/neutered, then having the operations done, and then offering
> >>>> already spayed/neutered rats for sale to rat lovers.
>
> >>>> pros: if any of them died it wouldn't be someone's beloved pet. people
> >>>> would get a rat that for males wouldn't pee as much and for females
> >>>> would have lower cancer rates. of course the rats could also be mixed
> >>>> without constant pregnancies.
>
> >>>> cons: price, price, price! i would probably have to charge $60-$70.
>
> >>> For me, it would be a dream come true. But... it would also depend if you
> >>> still sold your rats as feeders. I could never support a feeder breeder.
> >>> I would pay the price you suggested without a doubt with proof of spay or
> >>> neuter. But I don't think your average "customer" would.
>
> >> hmmm.... i'll take in into consideration.
>
> Where are you located? We've got a lot of UK folks here and I think
> their views on spaying and neutering are not the same as in the US or
> Canada. I have been called barbaric because I spay all my females for
> health benefits. But if you are in America or Canada, then I would post
> this question on a US board likewww.goosemoose.comand check their
> reactions to it. In America and Canada, spaying and neutering rats is
> something we all wish we could afford. The health benefits hugely
> outweighs the risks involved that is if you have a rat savvy vet.
> My vet will spay/neuter rats as young as 3 weeks old but she's an exotic
> vet and quite experienced at that.
>
> --
> Joanne
> The Rat Shackwww.jorats.com

I remember those posts on this group when you were criticised for
promoting speying and I really do feel they were unfair. Having had
all 6 of my current female rats speyed and seeing how quickly they
recovered; and having lost my favorite rat to ovarian cancer I really
feel the scare mongering about speying to be irresponsible. But I
guess most people are basing their opinions on what they've read
rather than speaking from experience.

Dewi
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I like the idea. I would be happy to pay that amount for spayed females.
Not sure about neutered males though; I haven't experienced any problems
with marking or aggression in my two boys.

Laurie



"The Rat Lord" <ratlord.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> as i've said many a time on this forum, i'm a rat breeder.
>
> so... i was wondering what you people think about the idea of a breeder
> hand raising rats from birth until they are old enough to be
> spayed/neutered, then having the operations done, and then offering
> already spayed/neutered rats for sale to rat lovers.
>
> pros: if any of them died it wouldn't be someone's beloved pet. people
> would get a rat that for males wouldn't pee as much and for females would
> have lower cancer rates. of course the rats could also be mixed without
> constant pregnancies.
>
> cons: price, price, price! i would probably have to charge $60-$70.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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"Dewi" <widget4000 DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> On Oct 30, 1:55 am, Joanne <j-... DeleteThis @removesympatico.ca> wrote:
>> The Rat Lord wrote:
>> > not much response here so i doubt that it would be a good idea.
>>
>> > "The Rat Lord" <ratl... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:N2_Ui.72712$%B2.23571@edtnps82...
>> >> "Joanne" <j-... DeleteThis @removesympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >>news:ffu60h$89t$2@news.datemas.de...
>> >>> The Rat Lord wrote:
>> >>>> as i've said many a time on this forum, i'm a rat breeder.
>>
>> >>>> so... i was wondering what you people think about the idea of a
>> >>>> breeder
>> >>>> hand raising rats from birth until they are old enough to be
>> >>>> spayed/neutered, then having the operations done, and then offering
>> >>>> already spayed/neutered rats for sale to rat lovers.
>>
>> >>>> pros: if any of them died it wouldn't be someone's beloved pet.
>> >>>> people
>> >>>> would get a rat that for males wouldn't pee as much and for females
>> >>>> would have lower cancer rates. of course the rats could also be
>> >>>> mixed
>> >>>> without constant pregnancies.
>>
>> >>>> cons: price, price, price! i would probably have to charge $60-$70.
>>
>> >>> For me, it would be a dream come true. But... it would also depend if
>> >>> you
>> >>> still sold your rats as feeders. I could never support a feeder
>> >>> breeder.
>> >>> I would pay the price you suggested without a doubt with proof of
>> >>> spay or
>> >>> neuter. But I don't think your average "customer" would.
>>
>> >> hmmm.... i'll take in into consideration.
>>
>> Where are you located? We've got a lot of UK folks here and I think
>> their views on spaying and neutering are not the same as in the US or
>> Canada. I have been called barbaric because I spay all my females for
>> health benefits. But if you are in America or Canada, then I would post
>> this question on a US board likewww.goosemoose.comand check their
>> reactions to it. In America and Canada, spaying and neutering rats is
>> something we all wish we could afford. The health benefits hugely
>> outweighs the risks involved that is if you have a rat savvy vet.
>> My vet will spay/neuter rats as young as 3 weeks old but she's an exotic
>> vet and quite experienced at that.
>>
>> --
>> Joanne
>> The Rat Shackwww.jorats.com
>
> I remember those posts on this group when you were criticised for
> promoting speying and I really do feel they were unfair. Having had
> all 6 of my current female rats speyed and seeing how quickly they
> recovered; and having lost my favorite rat to ovarian cancer I really
> feel the scare mongering about speying to be irresponsible. But I
> guess most people are basing their opinions on what they've read
> rather than speaking from experience.
>
> Dewi

the rat would gets a little prissy at times. i've had to put up with a load
here when i posted that some of my rats end up as feeders. all i can do is
give them a good "childhood". what happens after they are sold is none of my
business.
i'm not as callous as i used to be though. these forums do influence me. i
have had rats since i was a little kid and until i found this forum and a
couple of others i *honestly* had no idea that there were people out there
who loved rats so much. the usual response was that my friends either wanted
to kill/scare them (nice friends eh?) or were simply disgusted by them. only
my mother , god bless her, cared for them like little poeple. to this day
she still likes rats.

/end of rant
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"Summit" <a.summit.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote in message
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>I like the idea. I would be happy to pay that amount for spayed females.
> Not sure about neutered males though; I haven't experienced any problems
> with marking or aggression in my two boys.
>
> Laurie
>

thanks for your input. you're lucky that you haven't had problems with
"marking". as interesting as her web page is, it disgusts me when i hear the
dapper rat lady talking about how cute it is when her rats pee in her shirt.

>
>
> "The Rat Lord" <ratlord.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%qiUi.28341$GO5.7200@edtnps90...
>> as i've said many a time on this forum, i'm a rat breeder.
>>
>> so... i was wondering what you people think about the idea of a breeder
>> hand raising rats from birth until they are old enough to be
>> spayed/neutered, then having the operations done, and then offering
>> already spayed/neutered rats for sale to rat lovers.
>>
>> pros: if any of them died it wouldn't be someone's beloved pet. people
>> would get a rat that for males wouldn't pee as much and for females would
>> have lower cancer rates. of course the rats could also be mixed without
>> constant pregnancies.
>>
>> cons: price, price, price! i would probably have to charge $60-$70.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>
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thanks for the input. i talked to some guys today about getting it going.
we'll see if anything comes from it or if it's all talk.

"jennjenn84 via PetKB.com" <u35121@uwe> wrote in message
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>I would totally spend that much, but im in the US. I agree with the pre-
> order option. I mean, give them the choice. If you were here I'd totally
> do
> it.
>
> --
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Dewi wrote:

> I remember those posts on this group when you were criticised for
> promoting speying and I really do feel they were unfair. Having had
> all 6 of my current female rats speyed and seeing how quickly they
> recovered; and having lost my favorite rat to ovarian cancer I really
> feel the scare mongering about speying to be irresponsible. But I
> guess most people are basing their opinions on what they've read
> rather than speaking from experience.

My impression was that there is a genuine difference in typical health
problems experienced by rats either side of the pond, leading to a
divergence in opinion on the above. That combined perhaps with fewer
accessible rat savvy vets in the UK might explain it. I know our vets
aren't comfortable doing prophylactic speys as I talked to them about this.
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>
> Ooh, that reminds me - has anyone here had an appendectomy done on their
> kids; you know, just in case? I'd be interested to hear anyone's
> experiences. Also pre-emptive tonsillectomies, adenoid surgery, gall-
> bladder removal, etc.. Also I'd appreciate any information on whether
> removing one of your son's testicles could decrease his chances of
> testicular cancer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rosemary

How many people stick their children in a cage? Clearly pets and human
children get treated very differently!

Speying pets is common practice and I don't have *any* moral issues
with it. Furthermore, preventing unwanted litters and modifying the
character of the pet is not the only reason for speying.

The anti-spey aguements I've heard are about speys being dangerous or
cruel for rats and that there isn't enough evidece that it prevents
mammary tumours. However, there are other health benefits for getting
rats speyed. Futhermore, I absolutely do not think speying rats is
cruel or excessively risky. Of course you want to take them to a rat
savvy vet, but that goes without saying.

My opinions are based on my experience. I've had 6 rats speyed and all
were back to their active selves within 12 to 48 hours (depending on
their age) and all received pain releif post surgery.

Of my rats (past and present):
1 died from ovarian cancer.
1 had a cyst in her uterus which was discovered when she got speyed.
1 had an infection in her uterus that resulted in heavy bleeding. She
got speyed and the bleeding stopped immediately.
2 rats died from some illness that the vet couldn't identify.
My 4 other females were speyed young and so far no health probs, but
they are all under the age of 2y.

>From this I've realised that mammary tumours are not the only
reproductive health problems that impact female rats.

Another thing, I think it's unfair (at the very least) for people to
pick on other people who are pro-speying, as happened with Joanne.

Dewi
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