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Since: Jul 14, 2005 Posts: 16
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(Msg. 76) Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:52 am
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> >>>> I looked through the phonebook for a butcher selling rodents. Not
even
> >>>> the Vietnamese shops sell the stuff. Ideas?
> >>>
> >>> It sounds quite repulsive, but I wonder if anybody breeds them for
their
> >>> cats? Or rabbits or squirrels for dogs? Wouldn't it be great to have
> >>> a big aquaruim where the frisky fish do nothing but copulate and
> >>> propagate? Ah, it only it was so easy.
> >>
> >> I've thought about breeding mice for cat food, but, alas, my cats just
> >> kill them, they don't eat them.
> >> http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/mouse_1.jpg
> >> http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/mouse_3.jpg
> >> http://web.newsguy.com/equalizer/mouse_4.jpg
> >
> > Feline bloodsport!
>
> Hey Ricky .... wanna share a mouse? "Bloodsport" is an emotionally
charged
> and deliberately provocative term for a NORMAL feline behavior. But you
do
> the same thing when you toss those salads you live on before eating them.
> Hahhahhahhaaa
> Plants have feelings too ... you monster! ;^)
Hey - I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegatarian because
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Since: Jul 14, 2005 Posts: 16
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(Msg. 77) Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:09 am
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> >> >The key not moderation. The key is discipline and realizing that
having
> >a
> >> >little bit of something makes us crave more. Animals are very much
like
> >> >people. Once they have tasted the quick satisfaction of junk food
(all
> >any
> >> >cooked food is junk for an animal - I'm not saying its not
nutritious -
> >just
> >> >that its simply not as good as its raw version) they will not be as
> >> >discerning about food in the future. If you never eat salted food,
you
> >will
> >> >never crave salted foods. Same with fried food, sweetened foods, etc.
> >Same
> >> >with smoking, coffee, alcohol, etc. Many animals will gobble up junk
> >food -
> >> >as foolish as their feeders who are consuming the same trash. Always
> >look
> >> >at what they would eat in the wilds. THAT type is the food you should
> >give
> >> >them. Your pet trusts you to feed them properly. They are helpless
in
> >your
> >> >care. Do you think animals have cancers in the wilds?
> >>
> >> Yes, and I think it would be more prevalent if animals lived longer as
> >> they often do in captivity. Animals in the wild often have a pretty
> >> rough life.
> >
> >They are far healthier, albeit living a more dangerous life with
predators
> >and such.
>
> Does that really matter when they could be killed tomorrow by
> something a little higher up the food chain?
Well now, here's the problem. Some people here don't comprehend
the difference between quality and quantity. If you're not healthy (fit
and healthy) its hard to comprehend the exilaration of an animal in
its activities. We all had it in our youth, but junk food and sedentary
activities gradually stripped it away. I went to a dog convention of
sorts a while back. I have never seen a worse looking sorry group of
physical misfits in my life. I realized that these people who have
so neglected their own health now look to their pet - who won't
judge them. Instead of doing something about it - they look to areas
of socialization that won't put any pressure on them to change. I guess
that's really it. Its just so hard to change something you are comfortable
with.
> >> They can't go to a doctor if they are injured or sick and
> >> contrary to what some people may say (at least about some animals),
> >> they all don't know just what plant to eat to make them feel better
> >> even if such a plant did exist.
> >
> >Most animals fast - drink water and eat nothing - to elevate their immune
> >system. Humans used to do the same. But now we're smarter, pop drugs
and
> >think all is well.
>
> I know drugs help me - if you'd rather suffer, that is your choice.
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(Msg. 78) Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:11 am
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> > I just want to say that asserting that cancer does not exist in wild
> > animals is one of the silliest things I have ever heard. I suppose you
> > think that humans wouldn't get cancer if they didn't eat processed
> > foods either. If only that were true! Yes a processed diet, high in
> > preservatives, etc can increase the incidence of cancer but people and
> > animals can get cancer even if they never went near any of that stuff.
> > One could also argue that part of the reason for a perceived reduced
> > incidence of cancer in wild animals is because they die of something
> > else first, anyway.
>
> I'll support you on this, out of the 35 seals from the 4 seal populations
I
> worked with 3 of the seals had cancer and died as a result of it. I'm
sure
> many die in the wild of cancer, but without autopsies there is no way to
> know for certain, however, these three had autopsies and cancer was the
> cause of death.
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Since: Feb 28, 2006 Posts: 170
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(Msg. 79) Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:44 am
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Since: Mar 04, 2005 Posts: 181
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(Msg. 80) Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:28 pm
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Mary wrote:
> "PawsForThought" <Mickey4Paws.TakeThisOut@anonymous.to> wrote :
> >
> >
> > Lauren
> >
> > See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
> >
>
> I had not looked at these for a while. I love the "spider patrol" ones!
> Do you just have the two cats now, Lauren?
Thanks for looking at their pics, Mary. Yep, Mickey and Meesha (the
twins :)
> Amos, by the way, looks just like the cat I want but have
> never had--one with Siamese markings. Sorry you had to
> lose him. How old did he get to be?
Amos was actually a girl :) I got her when I was 4 years old. She was
my first cat. She was 15 when she died from CRF. She was what I guess
is called a "traditional" or "applehead" Siamese. Back then there was
only one kind of Siamese.
Lauren
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(Msg. 81) Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:04 am
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"Ricky" <rickydontlivehere.RemoveThis@anymore.com> wrote in message
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>> Philip wrote:
>> YOU have a vegetarian agenda regardless of what you have said. Emphasis
>> on
>> grains was a big tip off. It is junk medicine to project your agenda on
>> a
>> true, dedicated carnivore. Again, I invite you to study the mouth of any
> cat
>> and then compare that to a cow or sheep.
>
> YOU can't read. I am not promoting vegetarian food for a carnivore.
> I'm saying that a cat should eat FRESH carnivorous food. Hope that
> gets through your thick skull. Learn to read before posting.
YOU fail to realize how transparent your spouting. While we're at it, what
the heck is "Carnivorous Food"? When I rip open a can of Science Diet and
serve, is that "food" capable of killing its prey? Oh wait ....
carnivorous food is a live mouse. Has to be. LOL. Ricky ... you've
memorized a bunch of buzz words without thinking about how silly some of
those phrases sound. So ... Hahhahahhaha haha a hehehee >> Stay informed about: Which human foods can cats eat? |
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(Msg. 82) Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:04 am
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"Ricky" <rickydontlivehere RemoveThis @anymore.com> wrote in message
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>> > field mouse? As for "free range, organic cows"... what a load.
>>
>> And the cows should graze on organic grass only!
>
> Did I say "only"? I said in an ideal world a cow would feed on
> organic foods. I have no idea what the diet of a cow encompasses -
> but I know that there are no growth hormones and steroids in
> a natural environment.
>
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(Msg. 83) Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:04 am
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"Ricky" <rickydontlivehere RemoveThis @anymore.com> wrote in message
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Philip wrote:
>> Not necessarily. Suppose you are feeding a kitten? How much beef or
>> chicken does it take to extract the same amount of Taurine as a one
>> would get from a field mouse? As for "free range, organic cows"...
>> what a load. Your agenda is poking through again.
>
> No animal in the wild eats cooked food. LEARN by example.
Rubbish. We had BEARS paw through our camp trash and ate EVERYTHING in
sight, including cooked beef and pork trimmings. At this very moment, I
have a feral cat who visits our back porch every night ... and eats ANYTHING
we put out (cooked meat scraps no less). Bobcats will eat cooked meat too.
Ask me how I know.
> Young'ens don't worry about Taurine because their body (not ruined by
> depleted,
> processed "cat" food) TELLS them what to eat.
Rubbish. Go counsel with a veterinarian about feeding adult food to a
kitten and to cats less that 12 months of age. Ask what usually happens to
these cats having experienced a prolonged Taurine deficiency. Good grief,
Ricky.
> Or the parents by
> instinct control their diet. Something not one in a
> hundred people know about because they are so busy stuffing their
> bloated bodies with foods that make them feel good, instead of foods
> their body tells them to eat when truly hungry. People's awful feeding
> habits gets passed on to their pets.
Count yourself amoung the ignorant spouting junk. Look how you close your
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(Msg. 84) Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:04 am
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"Ricky" <rickydontlivehere DeleteThis @anymore.com> wrote in message
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>> Plus the fact that you need energy to generate a fever.
>
> You wouldn't get a fever at all if you stopped stuffing your face! I
> used to get fevers all the time when getting colds and the flu. Now
> when I feel under the weather I stop eating. In a day or two I'm
> feeling better. NEVER a fever. Of course this may be a
> coincidence. Its only been decades.
Bull Crap. One of the body's immune system responses is to elevate body
temperature. Taken to it's logical end, if you starve yourself, you will
never get a fever because ... you are dead. >> Stay informed about: Which human foods can cats eat? |
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(Msg. 85) Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:13 am
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"Ricky" <rickydontlivehere.TakeThisOut@anymore.com> wrote in message
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> Young'ens
> don't worry about Taurine because their body (not ruined by depleted,
> processed "cat" food) TELLS them what to eat.
Rubbish. When taurine deficient food is all that is available, kittens will
still eat .... usually.
For your information regarding taurine:
http://maxshouse.com/Tuna_and_Cats_Nutritional_Facts.htm
1. Taurine deficiency in the cat results in Feline Central Retinal
Degeneration (FCRD). When taurine is deficient, the photoreceptor cell
membranes become disrupted and dysfunctional, which eventually leads to
cellular death and the loss of cells. Complete blindness ensues with full
degeneration of the retina and attenuation of retinal vessels. Structural
changes within the retina are permanent.
2. Taurine deficiency in the cat also results in the
development of dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM). This degenerative disease
causes decreased myocardial contractility, which eventually leads to cardiac
failure. 3. Taurine deficiency adversely affects the cat's immune response
against infectious organisms (viruses, bacteria, parasites) and malignant
and metastatic disease. >> Stay informed about: Which human foods can cats eat? |
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(Msg. 86) Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:01 pm
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"AZ Nomad" <aznomad DeleteThis @PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:20:38 GMT, Philip <1chip-state1 DeleteThis @earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>"AZ Nomad" <aznomad DeleteThis @PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Fine. Name one example of a cat with lung cancer that wasn't in a
>>> smoker's
>>> house. One will do.
>
>>It is your assertion so .... where did you come about the association? I
>>believe it is safe to say that you do not conduct such surveys, collect
>>data, and conjure statistics.
>
> Unlike you, I know how to read. Try it some time. Take a look at the
> research.
snip
CITE *YOUR* INDEPENDENT RESEARCH SOURCE. I wish to read what you have read. >> Stay informed about: Which human foods can cats eat? |
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(Msg. 87) Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:01 pm
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"Philip" <1chip-state1 RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "AZ Nomad" <aznomad RemoveThis @PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnddom8g.1mk.aznomad@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
> > On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:20:38 GMT, Philip <1chip-state1 RemoveThis @earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >>"AZ Nomad" <aznomad RemoveThis @PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote in message
> >>news:slrnddoict.1mk.aznomad@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
> >>>
> >>> Fine. Name one example of a cat with lung cancer that wasn't in a
> >>> smoker's
> >>> house. One will do.
> >
> >>It is your assertion so .... where did you come about the association?
I
> >>believe it is safe to say that you do not conduct such surveys, collect
> >>data, and conjure statistics.
> >
> > Unlike you, I know how to read. Try it some time. Take a look at the
> > research.
> snip
>
> CITE *YOUR* INDEPENDENT RESEARCH SOURCE. I wish to read what you have
read.
>
>
>
>
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(Msg. 88) Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:35 pm
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(Msg. 89) Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:44 pm
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> >> Plus the fact that you need energy to generate a fever.
> >
> > You wouldn't get a fever at all if you stopped stuffing your face! I
> > used to get fevers all the time when getting colds and the flu. Now
> > when I feel under the weather I stop eating. In a day or two I'm
> > feeling better. NEVER a fever. Of course this may be a
> > coincidence. Its only been decades.
>
> Bull Crap. One of the body's immune system responses is to elevate body
> temperature. Taken to it's logical end, if you starve yourself, you will
> never get a fever because ... you are dead.
Actually Phillip you will never get a fever if you stop eating when you
start to feel under the weather. I know. I've never got a fever in decades
of stopping my food intake when I feel a bug coming on. Soon it is over.
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(Msg. 90) Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:50 pm
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> >> Not necessarily. Suppose you are feeding a kitten? How much beef or
> >> chicken does it take to extract the same amount of Taurine as a one
> >> would get from a field mouse? As for "free range, organic cows"...
> >> what a load. Your agenda is poking through again.
> >
> > No animal in the wild eats cooked food. LEARN by example.
>
> Rubbish. We had BEARS paw through our camp trash and ate EVERYTHING in
> sight, including cooked beef and pork trimmings. At this very moment, I
> have a feral cat who visits our back porch every night ... and eats
ANYTHING
> we put out (cooked meat scraps no less). Bobcats will eat cooked meat
too.
> Ask me how I know.
I mean that no animal in the wild cooks their food. Most animals will eat
junk food - it satisfies their taste buds quickly. Take man out of the
equation and then "No animal in the wild eats cooked food" makes more sense.
I should have been more clear.
> > Young'ens don't worry about Taurine because their body (not ruined by
> > depleted,
> > processed "cat" food) TELLS them what to eat.
>
> Rubbish. Go counsel with a veterinarian about feeding adult food to a
> kitten and to cats less that 12 months of age. Ask what usually happens to
> these cats having experienced a prolonged Taurine deficiency. Good
grief,
> Ricky.
Once again I was talking about animals in the wild. Not domesticated
animals. I just think we should learn from our natural examples.
> > Or the parents by
> > instinct control their diet. Something not one in a
> > hundred people know about because they are so busy stuffing their
> > bloated bodies with foods that make them feel good, instead of foods
> > their body tells them to eat when truly hungry. People's awful feeding
> > habits gets passed on to their pets.
>
> Count yourself amoung the ignorant spouting junk. Look how you close your
> post ... more vegetarianism misapplied.
Phillip, there was nothing pro vegan in the above paragraph. "Healthy"
doesn't necessarily mean vegan. Lots of vegans eat way too much fat and
salt and sugar. Many meat eaters eat high quality meat, not fried and in
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