I need help

I never said you were doctors. I just wanted to know if this has happened to
anyone else's mouse and if anyone had any idea what could have happened to
it. Your tone is very condescending and I don't appreciate it.
"Flykiller" <flykiller RemoveThis @aol.com.com> wrote in message
news:20030701214856.02031.00000766@mb-m10.aol.com...
> >Please help.
>
> we're not doctors. take it to a vet. chances are that the eye is gone,
but
> it's not all that serious a loss for a mouse. it will still have one eye,
and
> mice live by their sense of smell anyway.
> --
>
> "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father,
but
> through me." john 14:6
 >> Stay informed about: I need help 

>> >Please help.
>>
>> we're not doctors. take it to a vet. chances are that the eye is gone,
>but
>> it's not all that serious a loss for a mouse. it will still have one eye,
>and
>> mice live by their sense of smell anyway.
>
>I never said you were doctors. I just wanted to know if this has happened to
>anyone else's mouse and if anyone had any idea what could have happened to
>it. Your tone is very condescending and I don't appreciate it.

condescending?
--

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father, but
through me." john 14:6
 >> Stay informed about: I need help 

On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:52:19 -0400, "gandb" <gbomerso.RemoveThis@starpower.net>
wrote:

>I never said you were doctors. I just wanted to know if this has happened to
>anyone else's mouse and if anyone had any idea what could have happened to
>it. Your tone is very condescending and I don't appreciate it.
>"Flykiller" <flykiller.RemoveThis@aol.com.com> wrote in message
>news:20030701214856.02031.00000766@mb-m10.aol.com...
>> >Please help.
>>
>> we're not doctors. take it to a vet. chances are that the eye is gone,
>but
>> it's not all that serious a loss for a mouse. it will still have one eye,
>and
>> mice live by their sense of smell anyway.
>> --
>>
>> "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father,
>but
>> through me." john 14:6
>

So did you visit the vets or not ?
It sounds as if the eye is now definitively lost?
Is it medically healed and treated ok now or not?
There could still be complications if you do not follow a vets advice.
Flykiller was giving you good advice. You won't find doctors here is
just the plain truth and is just said as a concerned warning. Your
animal sounds as if it needed help urgently. In that case it is cruel
to let the animal wait for medical help. Even crueler not to provide
medical help. If you don't pay attention the mice will breed and you
will have lots of babies. If you don't know about genetics etc. then
you should not breed at all. If one starts breeding he/she needs to
know all about the antecedents of the animals you plan to breed and
stop the line as soon as you notice medical or mental or behavioral
problems. If you cannot afford a vet you should not keep pets.
Please start acting as a responsible human.
How old are you ?
 >> Stay informed about: I need help 

Yep visited the vet and there's basically nothing he could do. He doesn't
know what caused this to happen, but the mouse is fine and is healing quite
well. I just need to apply topical neosporin +antibiotics to prevent
infection. But she is doing quite well. She is active and eating well. Her
cagemate helps her take care of the eye (as the vet and I agreed it is
impossible to put a bandage over it, so we're just waiting for the fur to
grow back around the area he shaved). He said that if her left ear starts
getting red or looks unhealthy in any way, to bring her back as she may have
a tumor. She is so young though that he probably doubts it is a tumor. As my
friend and I bought her from a pet shop, we don't know her genetic
make-up...the vet said that since we don't know the parents, this could be a
genetic disorder as it happened so suddenly and there is no sign of trauma
to the mouse. Its sad but I'm doing my best to make her feel as comfortable
as possible. You better believe she is getting spoiled rotten nowadays! Her
check up is in one week I'll let you know how it goes.
"Citizen" <unknown.RemoveThis@unknown.no> wrote in message
news:sh8agv45n9de43m8u5ei62d1t6lpapgf63@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:52:19 -0400, "gandb" <gbomerso.RemoveThis@starpower.net>
> wrote:
>
> >I never said you were doctors. I just wanted to know if this has happened
to
> >anyone else's mouse and if anyone had any idea what could have happened
to
> >it. Your tone is very condescending and I don't appreciate it.
> >"Flykiller" <flykiller.RemoveThis@aol.com.com> wrote in message
> >news:20030701214856.02031.00000766@mb-m10.aol.com...
> >> >Please help.
> >>
> >> we're not doctors. take it to a vet. chances are that the eye is
gone,
> >but
> >> it's not all that serious a loss for a mouse. it will still have one
eye,
> >and
> >> mice live by their sense of smell anyway.
> >> --
> >>
> >> "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father,
> >but
> >> through me." john 14:6
> >
>
> So did you visit the vets or not ?
> It sounds as if the eye is now definitively lost?
> Is it medically healed and treated ok now or not?
> There could still be complications if you do not follow a vets advice.
> Flykiller was giving you good advice. You won't find doctors here is
> just the plain truth and is just said as a concerned warning. Your
> animal sounds as if it needed help urgently. In that case it is cruel
> to let the animal wait for medical help. Even crueler not to provide
> medical help. If you don't pay attention the mice will breed and you
> will have lots of babies. If you don't know about genetics etc. then
> you should not breed at all. If one starts breeding he/she needs to
> know all about the antecedents of the animals you plan to breed and
> stop the line as soon as you notice medical or mental or behavioral
> problems. If you cannot afford a vet you should not keep pets.
> Please start acting as a responsible human.
> How old are you ?
 >> Stay informed about: I need help 

I am sorry if I ruffle any fur here, but I feel it necessary to remind
everyone why we are here in this newsgroup, because we enjoy or even more...
love our mice. Time and time again I have noticed how people jump down
other peoples throats for just asking advice... that 'Yes' would be better
asked to a vet. I myself like the fact that this newsgroup is here, and
that there are other people out there like myself who have a love and
fondness for mice, and feel that they can turn to this newsgroup for advice
when answers to any problem/s occur with 'our' mice. Of course we all want
what is best for our mice, but rushing to the vet constantly is not always
an option, like us being able to just go see a doctor when we are sick. I
think alot of people here just hope that someone else may have some
experience with whatever problem they are having and just hope for a bit of
sound advice, instead of being balled out for not rushing to the vet each
time. I just recently had to take one of my dearest mice to the vet for
stitches, from shoulder to shoulder, from over preened by his cage mate... I
am talking a HUGE wound. The vet had to make a gas make small enough to go
over his nose and then gas him out to give him the stitches... so $150
Canadian later, we brought him home, where he has now recovered fully,
stitches gone, hair grown back etc.... but not everyone can dish out that
kind of money constantly, not even myself. Before anyone snaps back at me
that maybe I or anyone else with financial set backs shouldn't have pets at
all, I can tell you this, that I dish out alot of money into the care and
comfort of my beloved mice, as I am sure many of you do too. My point is,
that when someone asks for advice, and we have been down that road before
with our own beloved critters, it probably would be much appreciated to have
that advice heard, instead of being criticized for not rushing to the vet,
when of course there isn't a time issue. I would like to think that we all
know that going to the vet is ideally the best step anyway, but can't we be
helpful here first too, after all, isn't that partially what we all come
here for, to share joys and sorrows and maybe learn a thing or two from each
other experiences. I know I have learned alot from all of you and
appreciate that information I have gained. Anyway, again I apologize for
the speech, but felt it needed to be said. I love all my mice and do all I
can to help them when they are in need, and I really do appreciate it when
any of you can offer any aide when I am in need, as much I try to offer that
same assistance when possible.

Kathy

"Citizen" <unknown DeleteThis @unknown.no> wrote in message
news:sh8agv45n9de43m8u5ei62d1t6lpapgf63@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:52:19 -0400, "gandb" <gbomerso DeleteThis @starpower.net>
> wrote:
>
> >I never said you were doctors. I just wanted to know if this has happened
to
> >anyone else's mouse and if anyone had any idea what could have happened
to
> >it. Your tone is very condescending and I don't appreciate it.
> >"Flykiller" <flykiller DeleteThis @aol.com.com> wrote in message
> >news:20030701214856.02031.00000766@mb-m10.aol.com...
> >> >Please help.
> >>
> >> we're not doctors. take it to a vet. chances are that the eye is
gone,
> >but
> >> it's not all that serious a loss for a mouse. it will still have one
eye,
> >and
> >> mice live by their sense of smell anyway.
> >> --
> >>
> >> "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father,
> >but
> >> through me." john 14:6
> >
>
> So did you visit the vets or not ?
> It sounds as if the eye is now definitively lost?
> Is it medically healed and treated ok now or not?
> There could still be complications if you do not follow a vets advice.
> Flykiller was giving you good advice. You won't find doctors here is
> just the plain truth and is just said as a concerned warning. Your
> animal sounds as if it needed help urgently. In that case it is cruel
> to let the animal wait for medical help. Even crueler not to provide
> medical help. If you don't pay attention the mice will breed and you
> will have lots of babies. If you don't know about genetics etc. then
> you should not breed at all. If one starts breeding he/she needs to
> know all about the antecedents of the animals you plan to breed and
> stop the line as soon as you notice medical or mental or behavioral
> problems. If you cannot afford a vet you should not keep pets.
> Please start acting as a responsible human.
> How old are you ?
 >> Stay informed about: I need help 

You go, girl! Big support from this front...

Yana
(laying out big bucks for two mice, a bird and a horse, but still asking
questions and getting stuff for free when possible)

--
"If you can dream it, you can do it. Always remember this whole thing was
started by a mouse." - Walt Disney
Kathy (shawnews) <kpetersen.DeleteThis@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:9KjNa.354696$3C2.9687713@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
> I am sorry if I ruffle any fur here, but I feel it necessary to remind
> everyone why we are here in this newsgroup, because we enjoy or even
more...
> love our mice. Time and time again I have noticed how people jump down
> other peoples throats for just asking advice... that 'Yes' would be better
> asked to a vet. I myself like the fact that this newsgroup is here, and
> that there are other people out there like myself who have a love and
> fondness for mice, and feel that they can turn to this newsgroup for
advice
> when answers to any problem/s occur with 'our' mice. Of course we all
want
> what is best for our mice, but rushing to the vet constantly is not always
> an option, like us being able to just go see a doctor when we are sick. I
> think alot of people here just hope that someone else may have some
> experience with whatever problem they are having and just hope for a bit
of
> sound advice, instead of being balled out for not rushing to the vet each
> time. I just recently had to take one of my dearest mice to the vet for
> stitches, from shoulder to shoulder, from over preened by his cage mate...
I
> am talking a HUGE wound. The vet had to make a gas make small enough to
go
> over his nose and then gas him out to give him the stitches... so $150
> Canadian later, we brought him home, where he has now recovered fully,
> stitches gone, hair grown back etc.... but not everyone can dish out that
> kind of money constantly, not even myself. Before anyone snaps back at me
> that maybe I or anyone else with financial set backs shouldn't have pets
at
> all, I can tell you this, that I dish out alot of money into the care and
> comfort of my beloved mice, as I am sure many of you do too. My point is,
> that when someone asks for advice, and we have been down that road before
> with our own beloved critters, it probably would be much appreciated to
have
> that advice heard, instead of being criticized for not rushing to the vet,
> when of course there isn't a time issue. I would like to think that we
all
> know that going to the vet is ideally the best step anyway, but can't we
be
> helpful here first too, after all, isn't that partially what we all come
> here for, to share joys and sorrows and maybe learn a thing or two from
each
> other experiences. I know I have learned alot from all of you and
> appreciate that information I have gained. Anyway, again I apologize for
> the speech, but felt it needed to be said. I love all my mice and do all
I
> can to help them when they are in need, and I really do appreciate it when
> any of you can offer any aide when I am in need, as much I try to offer
that
> same assistance when possible.
>
> Kathy
>
> "Citizen" <unknown.DeleteThis@unknown.no> wrote in message
> news:sh8agv45n9de43m8u5ei62d1t6lpapgf63@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:52:19 -0400, "gandb" <gbomerso.DeleteThis@starpower.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I never said you were doctors. I just wanted to know if this has
happened
> to
> > >anyone else's mouse and if anyone had any idea what could have happened
> to
> > >it. Your tone is very condescending and I don't appreciate it.
> > >"Flykiller" <flykiller.DeleteThis@aol.com.com> wrote in message
> > >news:20030701214856.02031.00000766@mb-m10.aol.com...
> > >> >Please help.
> > >>
> > >> we're not doctors. take it to a vet. chances are that the eye is
> gone,
> > >but
> > >> it's not all that serious a loss for a mouse. it will still have one
> eye,
> > >and
> > >> mice live by their sense of smell anyway.
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the
father,
> > >but
> > >> through me." john 14:6
> > >
> >
> > So did you visit the vets or not ?
> > It sounds as if the eye is now definitively lost?
> > Is it medically healed and treated ok now or not?
> > There could still be complications if you do not follow a vets advice.
> > Flykiller was giving you good advice. You won't find doctors here is
> > just the plain truth and is just said as a concerned warning. Your
> > animal sounds as if it needed help urgently. In that case it is cruel
> > to let the animal wait for medical help. Even crueler not to provide
> > medical help. If you don't pay attention the mice will breed and you
> > will have lots of babies. If you don't know about genetics etc. then
> > you should not breed at all. If one starts breeding he/she needs to
> > know all about the antecedents of the animals you plan to breed and
> > stop the line as soon as you notice medical or mental or behavioral
> > problems. If you cannot afford a vet you should not keep pets.
> > Please start acting as a responsible human.
> > How old are you ?
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: I need help 

Thank you so much for bringing this to the group's attention. For certain
things I cannot always take my mice to the vet as I have very low-income and
one vet visit is equal to one paycheck for me. I got mice because they are
very cheap when compared to the total cost of a cat or a dog, low
maintenance, and my landlord does not require a pet deposit for them. Ever
since I was a little girl I would beg my mom to buy me mice because I
thought they were so cute. She, however, would not hear of it because mice
tend to freak women out (especially the women in my family). A lot of times
there is not much a vet can do for the mice because they are so small and
sometimes the surgery or treatment itself is a lot worse than what is wrong
with the mouse (this is why neutering mice is so uncommon). I thought that
was why this newsgroup was here: for discussing things that are involved
with loving and caring for mice...there would be no point for this newsgroup
if every response to a question would be "take it to a vet".

Bethany

"Kathy (shawnews)" <kpetersen.TakeThisOut@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:9KjNa.354696$3C2.9687713@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
> I am sorry if I ruffle any fur here, but I feel it necessary to remind
> everyone why we are here in this newsgroup, because we enjoy or even
more...
> love our mice. Time and time again I have noticed how people jump down
> other peoples throats for just asking advice... that 'Yes' would be better
> asked to a vet. I myself like the fact that this newsgroup is here, and
> that there are other people out there like myself who have a love and
> fondness for mice, and feel that they can turn to this newsgroup for
advice
> when answers to any problem/s occur with 'our' mice. Of course we all
want
> what is best for our mice, but rushing to the vet constantly is not always
> an option, like us being able to just go see a doctor when we are sick. I
> think alot of people here just hope that someone else may have some
> experience with whatever problem they are having and just hope for a bit
of
> sound advice, instead of being balled out for not rushing to the vet each
> time. I just recently had to take one of my dearest mice to the vet for
> stitches, from shoulder to shoulder, from over preened by his cage mate...
I
> am talking a HUGE wound. The vet had to make a gas make small enough to
go
> over his nose and then gas him out to give him the stitches... so $150
> Canadian later, we brought him home, where he has now recovered fully,
> stitches gone, hair grown back etc.... but not everyone can dish out that
> kind of money constantly, not even myself. Before anyone snaps back at me
> that maybe I or anyone else with financial set backs shouldn't have pets
at
> all, I can tell you this, that I dish out alot of money into the care and
> comfort of my beloved mice, as I am sure many of you do too. My point is,
> that when someone asks for advice, and we have been down that road before
> with our own beloved critters, it probably would be much appreciated to
have
> that advice heard, instead of being criticized for not rushing to the vet,
> when of course there isn't a time issue. I would like to think that we
all
> know that going to the vet is ideally the best step anyway, but can't we
be
> helpful here first too, after all, isn't that partially what we all come
> here for, to share joys and sorrows and maybe learn a thing or two from
each
> other experiences. I know I have learned alot from all of you and
> appreciate that information I have gained. Anyway, again I apologize for
> the speech, but felt it needed to be said. I love all my mice and do all
I
> can to help them when they are in need, and I really do appreciate it when
> any of you can offer any aide when I am in need, as much I try to offer
that
> same assistance when possible.
>
> Kathy
>
> "Citizen" <unknown.TakeThisOut@unknown.no> wrote in message
> news:sh8agv45n9de43m8u5ei62d1t6lpapgf63@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:52:19 -0400, "gandb" <gbomerso.TakeThisOut@starpower.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I never said you were doctors. I just wanted to know if this has
happened
> to
> > >anyone else's mouse and if anyone had any idea what could have happened
> to
> > >it. Your tone is very condescending and I don't appreciate it.
> > >"Flykiller" <flykiller.TakeThisOut@aol.com.com> wrote in message
> > >news:20030701214856.02031.00000766@mb-m10.aol.com...
> > >> >Please help.
> > >>
> > >> we're not doctors. take it to a vet. chances are that the eye is
> gone,
> > >but
> > >> it's not all that serious a loss for a mouse. it will still have one
> eye,
> > >and
> > >> mice live by their sense of smell anyway.
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the
father,
> > >but
> > >> through me." john 14:6
> > >
> >
> > So did you visit the vets or not ?
> > It sounds as if the eye is now definitively lost?
> > Is it medically healed and treated ok now or not?
> > There could still be complications if you do not follow a vets advice.
> > Flykiller was giving you good advice. You won't find doctors here is
> > just the plain truth and is just said as a concerned warning. Your
> > animal sounds as if it needed help urgently. In that case it is cruel
> > to let the animal wait for medical help. Even crueler not to provide
> > medical help. If you don't pay attention the mice will breed and you
> > will have lots of babies. If you don't know about genetics etc. then
> > you should not breed at all. If one starts breeding he/she needs to
> > know all about the antecedents of the animals you plan to breed and
> > stop the line as soon as you notice medical or mental or behavioral
> > problems. If you cannot afford a vet you should not keep pets.
> > Please start acting as a responsible human.
> > How old are you ?
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: I need help 

Amen Kathy!!

I'm glad I'm not alone here in my thoughts.

Some people fail to realize that not everyone has access to multiple,
affordable vets who know all there is to know about the care of very
small animals. Even after I said the vet couldn't help, all I heard
was to "find another vet", which is kinda like saying "flap your wings
and fly". I've seen many postings from people who obviously live in
large cities, have plenty of money, and readily available
transportation, who simply don't get the fact that not everyone in the
world is as fortunate as they are.

Please understand that we LOVE OUR PETS. However, for people in
remote areas, with low income, or limited mobility zipping long
distances to a vet, who may very well charge more for a single visit
than we spend in a month on food, isn't an option.

I've had friends charged over $10K for surgeries on their dog to
correct a single medical problem. That's nearly 1/2 of my annual
gross income, so I can't ever afford to fork out that much. Does that
mean I shouldn't own dogs ever again for the rest of my life? Should
people living in rural areas ONLY own the kinds of pets that the
closest vet is familiar with? I wonder how many of the people here
could own pets if they followed those guidelines?

I see the question "how old are you" thrown about as an insult.
Perhaps the issue is that they ARE too young to get to a vet, or to
pay the 100's of dollars most vets charge. Does that mean we refuse
to do all we can to help? Doesn't the fact that they're posting here
at all show that they care? It's clear that they're plenty old enough
to know when to ask for help, and to find somewhere to ask for it.

Anyone who troubles to come here at all is obviously already worried,
and doing their best to find out all they can to help their furry
friends. THEY DON'T NEED TO BE HEAPED WITH MORE ABUSE AND GUILT!!

Obviously, seeing a vet who knows all about small animals is the
optimal choice, but please remember that it's not a choice that's open
to everyone before you rattle off pat answers and insults to those who
come here asking for help and support.

:o)
 >> Stay informed about: I need help 

people sometimes write here announcing major problems with their mice.
frequently the only answer is "take it to a vet". if you can't then you can't,
but to complain about the answer or say the advice is condescending is
pointless.
--

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father, but
through me." john 14:6
 >> Stay informed about: I need help 

In article <9KjNa.354696$3C2.9687713@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>,
kpetersen DeleteThis @shaw.ca (Kathy \(shawnews\)) wrote:

> I am sorry if I ruffle any fur here, but I feel it necessary to remind
> everyone why we are here in this newsgroup, because we enjoy or even
> more...
> love our mice. Time and time again I have noticed how people jump down
> other peoples throats for just asking advice... that 'Yes' would be
> better
> asked to a vet. I myself like the fact that this newsgroup is here, and
> that there are other people out there like myself who have a love and
> fondness for mice, and feel that they can turn to this newsgroup for
> advice
> when answers to any problem/s occur with 'our' mice. Of course we all
> want
> what is best for our mice, but rushing to the vet constantly is not
> always
> an option, like us being able to just go see a doctor when we are sick.
> I
> think alot of people here just hope that someone else may have some
> experience with whatever problem they are having and just hope for a
> bit of
> sound advice, instead of being balled out for not rushing to the vet
> each
> time. I just recently had to take one of my dearest mice to the vet for
> stitches, from shoulder to shoulder, from over preened by his cage
> mate... I
> am talking a HUGE wound. The vet had to make a gas make small enough
> to go
> over his nose and then gas him out to give him the stitches... so $150
> Canadian later, we brought him home, where he has now recovered fully,
> stitches gone, hair grown back etc.... but not everyone can dish out
> that
> kind of money constantly, not even myself. Before anyone snaps back at
> me
> that maybe I or anyone else with financial set backs shouldn't have
> pets at
> all, I can tell you this, that I dish out alot of money into the care
> and
> comfort of my beloved mice, as I am sure many of you do too. My point
> is,
> that when someone asks for advice, and we have been down that road
> before
> with our own beloved critters, it probably would be much appreciated to
> have
> that advice heard, instead of being criticized for not rushing to the
> vet,
> when of course there isn't a time issue. I would like to think that we
> all
> know that going to the vet is ideally the best step anyway, but can't
> we be
> helpful here first too, after all, isn't that partially what we all come
> here for, to share joys and sorrows and maybe learn a thing or two from
> each
> other experiences. I know I have learned alot from all of you and
> appreciate that information I have gained. Anyway, again I apologize
> for
> the speech, but felt it needed to be said. I love all my mice and do
> all I
> can to help them when they are in need, and I really do appreciate it
> when
> any of you can offer any aide when I am in need, as much I try to offer
> that
> same assistance when possible.
>
> Kathy
>
> "Citizen" <unknown DeleteThis @unknown.no> wrote in message
> news:sh8agv45n9de43m8u5ei62d1t6lpapgf63@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:52:19 -0400, "gandb" <gbomerso DeleteThis @starpower.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I never said you were doctors. I just wanted to know if this has
> > happened
> to
> > >anyone else's mouse and if anyone had any idea what could have
> > happened
> to
> > >it. Your tone is very condescending and I don't appreciate it.
> > >"Flykiller" <flykiller DeleteThis @aol.com.com> wrote in message
> > >news:20030701214856.02031.00000766@mb-m10.aol.com...
> > >> >Please help.
> > >>
> > >> we're not doctors. take it to a vet. chances are that the eye is
> gone,
> > >but
> > >> it's not all that serious a loss for a mouse. it will still have
> > > one
> eye,
> > >and
> > >> mice live by their sense of smell anyway.
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the
> > > father,
> > >but
> > >> through me." john 14:6
> > >
> >
> > So did you visit the vets or not ?
> > It sounds as if the eye is now definitively lost?
> > Is it medically healed and treated ok now or not?
> > There could still be complications if you do not follow a vets advice.
> > Flykiller was giving you good advice. You won't find doctors here is
> > just the plain truth and is just said as a concerned warning. Your
> > animal sounds as if it needed help urgently. In that case it is cruel
> > to let the animal wait for medical help. Even crueler not to provide
> > medical help. If you don't pay attention the mice will breed and you
> > will have lots of babies. If you don't know about genetics etc. then
> > you should not breed at all. If one starts breeding he/she needs to
> > know all about the antecedents of the animals you plan to breed and
> > stop the line as soon as you notice medical or mental or behavioral
> > problems. If you cannot afford a vet you should not keep pets.
> > Please start acting as a responsible human.
> > How old are you ?
>
>
>

It is always good to have other mouse lovers too. I have learned a lot
from this group about mice. Some vets are not that experienced with
smaller animals but what they need to know is that mice are worth seeing
too as well as a bigger animal like a cat or dog instead of giving you
funny looks when you walk into a vet's with a mouse. I of course would
get some advice from anyone here because sometimes we can find remedy for
our mice before going to the vet. My friend's mum who used to work in a
vet said that tea tree oil would be good to heal Smoky's ears after
Midnight had chewed them and the tea tree oil healed them very well.

Also I will give an update on how Smoky's tail is healing. I stopped using
the propolis because Smoky's tail was not healing and Liam reckoned it
was because Smoky hated the propolis and wanted to get every bit off. So
chewed her tail in the process. So I stopped using propolis and Smoky's
tail is looking much better after a long time. I'm not sure what made
Smoky chew her tail but since I stopped putting on propolis her tail is
looking better.

Chloe <:3>>---
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"Take it to a vet" is not advice.
The advice was not condescending because "Take it to a vet" was not advice,
it sounded like an order. The tone was condescending.

"Flykiller" <flykiller.DeleteThis@aol.com.com> wrote in message
news:20030705025808.19846.00000114@mb-m18.aol.com...
> people sometimes write here announcing major problems with their mice.
> frequently the only answer is "take it to a vet". if you can't then you
can't,
> but to complain about the answer or say the advice is condescending is
> pointless.
> --
>
> "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father,
but
> through me." john 14:6
 >> Stay informed about: I need help 

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:36:37 -0400, gandb wrote
(in message <beevfg$7u6$1@bob.news.rcn.net>):

> "Take it to a vet" is not advice.

I disagree -- often it is the best possible advice!


Heather
 >> Stay informed about: I need help 

>"Take it to a vet" is not advice.

yes. it is.

>The tone was condescending.

no. it wasn't.
--

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father, but
through me." john 14:6
 >> Stay informed about: I need help