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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:44 am
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iv been thinking about getting a pit bull. i can train dogs quite well and
handle them well also, what i dont know about the pit bull is, can it
attack the owner for no real reason even if trained and handled well and
excercised enough??

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On 4 Sep 2006 09:44:44 +1100, pig <telstra5> wrote:

> iv been thinking about getting a pit bull. i can train dogs quite
well and
> handle them well also, what i dont know about the pit bull is, can
it
> attack the owner for no real reason even if trained and handled well
and
> excercised enough??
> Pitbulls are human friendly :-)

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:26 pm
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pig <telstra5.RemoveThis@tpg.com.au> wrote in
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> iv been thinking about getting a pit bull. i can train dogs quite well
> and handle them well also, what i dont know about the pit bull is, can
> it attack the owner for no real reason even if trained and handled
> well and excercised enough??

My personal experience:

I kidnapped my Hadrian when he was a puppy. Knew nothing about pits -
except that they are fought in my area and sometimes are taken out on the
mesa and shot and left to rot. Sometimes they are just tied up out there
and left to starve/dehydrate.

I was out exploring - no idea where exactly I was - and encountered a
puppy trotting down the dirt path. Picked him up and followed the track
to a home - two pits in the backyard - male and female - who had been
fought. Wounds untreated - no food - no water. Then I spotted 2 more
puppies. No one at home. I went back down the track to a large clump of
desert willow and called animal control. Hid there until Animal Control
arrived - owners still hadn't arrived - and then I pulled out and took
Hadrian home. Vet's the next day - he was malnourished and dehydrated
despite the water I had supplied.

Hadrian today is one of the best dogs I have ever known. He plays with
the cat, LOVES people - except the county mountie who "dared" to yell me
at during a traffic stop, has a "thing" about cows and barks furiously
from the SUV but knows not to bark at horses (the first llama he ever saw
really confused him); has caused me a fortune treating his allegires but
is worth every penny.

I think, as with ANY breed of dog - it is the owner who determines the
behavior of the dog. I am most definitely She Who Must Be Obeyed.

Pang

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:34 pm
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On 4 Sep 2006 09:44:44 +1100, pig wrote:
> iv been thinking about getting a pit bull. i can train dogs quite well and
> handle them well also, what i dont know about the pit bull is, can it
> attack the owner for no real reason even if trained and handled well and
> excercised enough??

Pit bulls are less likely to attack humans "for no reason". Submission
towards humans is as bred into them as their prey drive. If a pit bull
gets bored, you're going to have problems with your house being chewed
up and the pit escaping... they'll dig or climb their way out.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:36 pm
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On 05 Sep 2006 13:26:56 GMT, Pangur Ban wrote:
> My personal experience:
>
> I kidnapped my Hadrian when he was a puppy. Knew nothing about pits -
> except that they are fought in my area and sometimes are taken out on the
> mesa and shot and left to rot. Sometimes they are just tied up out there
> and left to starve/dehydrate.

I would like nothing bgetter than to find the "people" who do stuff like
that and chain them out in a desert to die of dehydration.

> I was out exploring - no idea where exactly I was - and encountered a
> puppy trotting down the dirt path. Picked him up and followed the track
> to a home - two pits in the backyard - male and female - who had been
> fought. Wounds untreated - no food - no water. Then I spotted 2 more
> puppies. No one at home. I went back down the track to a large clump of
> desert willow and called animal control. Hid there until Animal Control
> arrived - owners still hadn't arrived - and then I pulled out and took
> Hadrian home. Vet's the next day - he was malnourished and dehydrated
> despite the water I had supplied.

Good for you! Did you ever follow up to find out if the owners had been
charged or the pups adopted?

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:40 pm
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:35 pm
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John Oliver <joliver.DeleteThis@john-oliver.net> wrote in
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> On 05 Sep 2006 13:26:56 GMT, Pangur Ban wrote:
>> My personal experience:
>>
>> I kidnapped my Hadrian when he was a puppy. Knew nothing about pits
>> - except that they are fought in my area and sometimes are taken out
>> on the mesa and shot and left to rot. Sometimes they are just tied
>> up out there and left to starve/dehydrate.
>
> I would like nothing bgetter than to find the "people" who do stuff
> like that and chain them out in a desert to die of dehydration.
>
>> I was out exploring - no idea where exactly I was - and encountered a
>> puppy trotting down the dirt path. Picked him up and followed the
>> track to a home - two pits in the backyard - male and female - who
>> had been fought. Wounds untreated - no food - no water. Then I
>> spotted 2 more puppies. No one at home. I went back down the track
>> to a large clump of desert willow and called animal control. Hid
>> there until Animal Control arrived - owners still hadn't arrived -
>> and then I pulled out and took Hadrian home. Vet's the next day - he
>> was malnourished and dehydrated despite the water I had supplied.
>
> Good for you! Did you ever follow up to find out if the owners had
> been charged or the pups adopted?
>

I was way, way out in the high plains desert. No numbered roads - just
sand tracks to follow. I returned to civilization by heading towards the
mountains till I hit a paved road. LOL

Animal control KNEW what place I was talking to them about - they
undoubtedly had been there before.

I don't know what happened - just that Hadrian has a home.

Pang

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alpha.bob© <alpha.bob©@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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> On 05 Sep 2006 13:26:56 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>
>>pig <telstra5 DeleteThis @tpg.com.au> wrote in
>>news:Xns98346322CCE39whatsgoingdownclown@203.26.24.228:
>>
>>> iv been thinking about getting a pit bull. i can train dogs quite
>>> well and handle them well also, what i dont know about the pit bull
>>> is, can it attack the owner for no real reason even if trained and
>>> handled well and excercised enough??
>>
>>My personal experience:
>>
>>I kidnapped my Hadrian when he was a puppy. Knew nothing about pits -
>>except that they are fought in my area and sometimes are taken out on
>>the mesa and shot and left to rot. Sometimes they are just tied up
>>out there and left to starve/dehydrate.
>>
>>I was out exploring - no idea where exactly I was - and encountered a
>>puppy trotting down the dirt path. Picked him up and followed the
>>track to a home - two pits in the backyard - male and female - who had
>>been fought. Wounds untreated - no food - no water. Then I spotted 2
>>more puppies. No one at home. I went back down the track to a large
>>clump of desert willow and called animal control. Hid there until
>>Animal Control arrived - owners still hadn't arrived - and then I
>>pulled out and took Hadrian home. Vet's the next day - he was
>>malnourished and dehydrated despite the water I had supplied.
>>
>>Hadrian today is one of the best dogs I have ever known. He plays
>>with the cat, LOVES people - except the county mountie who "dared" to
>>yell me at during a traffic stop, has a "thing" about cows and barks
>>furiously from the SUV but knows not to bark at horses (the first
>>llama he ever saw really confused him); has caused me a fortune
>>treating his allegires but is worth every penny.
>>
>>I think, as with ANY breed of dog - it is the owner who determines the
>>behavior of the dog. I am most definitely She Who Must Be Obeyed.
>>
>>Pang
> Good for you :-) I'm sure that Hadrian has found a happy home for
> life.
>
> P.S. Don't be a stranger....Keep us posted on his allergies.
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He had a shower Sunday with me (benches in the shower for me to sit on
while I bathe him). He lost enough hair that I had to clear the drain
twice. *sigh* The folds of his neck are completely hairless. *sigh*

He is going through a dandruff stage right now - his skin dries and peels
and flakes off like dandruff.

He will get his allergy shot tonight.

At least he has no red sores right now - as his hairless belly and back
legs (on the inside)make them easily visible if they occur.

Pang - who will try not to be a stranger *grin*

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:51 am
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:54 pm
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pig wrote:
> iv been thinking about getting a pit bull. i can train dogs quite well and
> handle them well also, what i dont know about the pit bull is, can it
> attack the owner for no real reason even if trained and handled well and
> excercised enough??

I have read A LOT about pit bulls and currently own two. I honestly
feel that they are no more likely to attack you than any other breed.
ANY OTHER breed. Some dogs are happy, playful, lazy, serious, whatever.
Some breeds are statistically more likely to behave a certain way, but
a lot depends on your dog's personality and the way you train it.

I will say this: pit bulls are a big responsiblity and extremely likely
to experience separation anxiety from you. Which means they will
literally DESTROY whatever they like. I'm serious. You have to be able
to devote a lot of time and attention to them.

In case you think I'm exaggerating, here's what my first pit did...
First off, we have a 6' fence so she has free reign over the whole back
yard.
She ate all of the patio furniture. All of it.
When that was gone she started to dig holes.
Then she destroyed the storm door.
We took everything out of the yard, I came home one day to find her
gnawing on the corner of our brick house.
She chewed up the sattelite and central air wiring. I've no idea how
she didn't get shocked.
I looked out one day and caught her chewing a low-hanging tree branch
in half.
I was convinced something was wrong with her teeth, we go to the vet,
everything's fine BUT she chewed up the crate on the way home.

That sounds bad, I know. But she's a big baby and I love her and I did
find out later that it was partially my fault for not spending enough
time with her.

Pit bulls tend to love people. They do play rough sometimes, especially
when they're young. But they are good companions.

IF you have kids, some breeds (pits and dobermans esp.) can be VERY
protective around 'their' children. They may bite a child's playmate if
they feel a family member is being threatened. They may mistake playful
screaming as a cry for help.

It takes a lot of socializing to get them to behave with other animals.

As with any large breed, they are likely to have problems with their
hips as they age.
Contrary to what you may have heard, they are NOT good guard dogs.
Unless they are physically present when their family is threatened a
good pit bull will not usually attack a stranger.

I would be more worried about bieng 'ready' to own one, rather than
will they/won't they attack me.
If you want a pit, get one. If at any time you get the feeling that you
aren't able to handle it properly you should sell it to someone who
can. But that goes for any breed.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:04 pm
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pig wrote:
> iv been thinking about getting a pit bull. i can train dogs quite well and
> handle them well also, what i dont know about the pit bull is, can it
> attack the owner for no real reason even if trained and handled well and
> excercised enough??

your best bet is to acquire your first pit bull from a reputable rescue
organization, that has temperament tested the dog. A proper pit bull
would never attack a human for any reason, exercised or not.

They're not a breed for the timid.. in addition to their unique
combination of bulldog and terrier stubbornness and determination, you
can be sure to face hatred and fear from the ignorant or misinformed.
And be sure to check that there are no laws against pit bull
ownership in your own town and that your homeowners insurance doesn't
discriminate.

You should assume that any pit bull will have some degree of dog and
other animal-aggression. If you're not prepared to accept and manage
that behavior, don't go any further in your plans to get a pit bull.

resources and links to pit bull rescue here

www.pbrc.net
www.realpitbull.com

good info about pit bull ownership here:
www.badrap.org

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:44 pm
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emily47.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote in
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>
> pig wrote:
>> iv been thinking about getting a pit bull. i can train dogs quite
>> well and handle them well also, what i dont know about the pit bull
>> is, can it attack the owner for no real reason even if trained and
>> handled well and excercised enough??
>
> your best bet is to acquire your first pit bull from a reputable
> rescue organization, that has temperament tested the dog. A proper
> pit bull would never attack a human for any reason, exercised or not.
>
> They're not a breed for the timid.. in addition to their unique
> combination of bulldog and terrier stubbornness and determination,
> you can be sure to face hatred and fear from the ignorant or
> misinformed.
> And be sure to check that there are no laws against pit bull
> ownership in your own town and that your homeowners insurance doesn't
> discriminate.
>
> You should assume that any pit bull will have some degree of dog and
> other animal-aggression. If you're not prepared to accept and manage
> that behavior, don't go any further in your plans to get a pit bull.

I didn't know that when I rescued Hadrian. He LOVES other dogs...he and
the cat play together....but for some reason he has always hated cows.
Doesn't bark at horses though. The first llama he saw was a real
puzzler....he didn't know how to react and I didn't give a hint...so now
he just stares at them and gives a very soft "woof". LOL

Pangur

>
> resources and links to pit bull rescue here
>
> www.pbrc.net
> www.realpitbull.com
>
> good info about pit bull ownership here:
> www.badrap.org
>
> EmilyS
>
>
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:06 am
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:40 pm
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On 27 Sep 2006 14:04:24 -0700, emily47.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:

>...
>They're not a breed for the timid..

>You should assume that any pit bull will have some degree of dog and
>other animal-aggression. If you're not prepared to accept and manage
>that behavior, don't go any further in your plans to get a pit bull.
>
>resources and links to pit bull rescue here
>
>www.pbrc.net
>www.realpitbull.com
>
>good info about pit bull ownership here:
>www.badrap.org

EmilyS, Bravo! That's one of the most concise, well-balanced responses
I've ever read on the subject of pit bulls.

I meet a lot of nice pit bulls at the shelter. Although I prefer
long-hair dogs, some of the pit bulls I meet are really pretty. Many are
very affectionate! Hugs and kisses from a pit bull still give me an
awesome feeling.



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