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Since: Dec 26, 2005 Posts: 139
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:57 am
Post subject: half measures and empty symbolism Archived from groups: alt>animals>ethics>vegetarian, others (more info?)
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"veganism" is a succession of empty symbolic gestures
and half measures. One might be a full-fledged
"committed" "vegan", yet have no measurably lower
impact than someone who ravenously wolfs down meat at
every meal.
The best way to see the emptily symbolic aspect of
"veganism" as a practice is to observe that being
"vegan" does virtually nothing to stop the wholesale
slaughter of animals throughout the western societies
where "veganism" is (nominally) practiced, but that
doesn't stop the "vegans" from claiming moral
superiority. "vegans" like to try to compare
themselves favorably with anti-slavery abolitionists,
but the comparison falls flat: those abolitionists had
a measurable and meaningful impact in the intellectual
fight against slavery, while "vegans" have had ZERO
impact on their societies.
One can see the half-measure aspect of "veganism" by
contrasting it with a similarly symbolic gesture of
refraining from consuming animal-killing vegetable
produce. "vegans" pull out all the stops in trying to
extirpate the last microgram of animal parts from the
foods they consume ("the irrational search for
micrograms"), but they're not willing to make the same
effort to get all the animal CD-causing vegetables out
of their diet. Why not? Because it's vastly more
difficult to do. Eliminating meat from one's diet
won't stop the consumption of meat by others, and
eliminating high-CD vegetables from one's diet also
won't stop others from consuming those veggies, but
"vegans" are willing to engage in one emptily symbolic
gesture and not in the other. The reason: they don't
like hard work. >> Stay informed about: half measures and empty symbolism |
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Since: Jun 29, 2005 Posts: 37
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:56 pm
Post subject: Re: half measures and empty symbolism [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Leif Erikson wrote:
> "veganism" is a succession of empty symbolic gestures
> and half measures. One might be a full-fledged
> "committed" "vegan", yet have no measurably lower
> impact than someone who ravenously wolfs down meat at
> every meal.
>
> The best way to see the emptily symbolic aspect of
> "veganism" as a practice is to observe that being
> "vegan" does virtually nothing to stop the wholesale
> slaughter of animals throughout the western societies
> where "veganism" is (nominally) practiced, but that
> doesn't stop the "vegans" from claiming moral
> superiority. "vegans" like to try to compare
> themselves favorably with anti-slavery abolitionists,
> but the comparison falls flat: those abolitionists had
> a measurable and meaningful impact in the intellectual
> fight against slavery, while "vegans" have had ZERO
> impact on their societies.
>
> One can see the half-measure aspect of "veganism" by
> contrasting it with a similarly symbolic gesture of
> refraining from consuming animal-killing vegetable
> produce. "vegans" pull out all the stops in trying to
> extirpate the last microgram of animal parts from the
> foods they consume ("the irrational search for
> micrograms"), but they're not willing to make the same
> effort to get all the animal CD-causing vegetables out
> of their diet. Why not? Because it's vastly more
> difficult to do. Eliminating meat from one's diet
> won't stop the consumption of meat by others, and
> eliminating high-CD vegetables from one's diet also
> won't stop others from consuming those veggies, but
> "vegans" are willing to engage in one emptily symbolic
> gesture and not in the other. The reason: they don't
> like hard work.
You are an idiot Goober. >> Stay informed about: half measures and empty symbolism |
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Since: Feb 06, 2005 Posts: 99
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:00 am
Post subject: Re: half measures and empty symbolism [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Ron" <banmilk.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135727767.741563.59630@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Leif Erikson wrote:
>> "veganism" is a succession of empty symbolic gestures
>> and half measures. One might be a full-fledged
>> "committed" "vegan", yet have no measurably lower
>> impact than someone who ravenously wolfs down meat at
>> every meal.
>>
>> The best way to see the emptily symbolic aspect of
>> "veganism" as a practice is to observe that being
>> "vegan" does virtually nothing to stop the wholesale
>> slaughter of animals throughout the western societies
>> where "veganism" is (nominally) practiced, but that
>> doesn't stop the "vegans" from claiming moral
>> superiority. "vegans" like to try to compare
>> themselves favorably with anti-slavery abolitionists,
>> but the comparison falls flat: those abolitionists had
>> a measurable and meaningful impact in the intellectual
>> fight against slavery, while "vegans" have had ZERO
>> impact on their societies.
>>
>> One can see the half-measure aspect of "veganism" by
>> contrasting it with a similarly symbolic gesture of
>> refraining from consuming animal-killing vegetable
>> produce. "vegans" pull out all the stops in trying to
>> extirpate the last microgram of animal parts from the
>> foods they consume ("the irrational search for
>> micrograms"), but they're not willing to make the same
>> effort to get all the animal CD-causing vegetables out
>> of their diet. Why not? Because it's vastly more
>> difficult to do. Eliminating meat from one's diet
>> won't stop the consumption of meat by others, and
>> eliminating high-CD vegetables from one's diet also
>> won't stop others from consuming those veggies, but
>> "vegans" are willing to engage in one emptily symbolic
>> gesture and not in the other. The reason: they don't
>> like hard work.
>
>
> You are an idiot Goober.
=======================
Typical response from a usenet vegan loon. Nothing....
> >> Stay informed about: half measures and empty symbolism |
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Since: Jul 23, 2005 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:57 pm
Post subject: Re: half measures and empty symbolism [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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rick wrote:
> "Ron" <banmilk DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1135727767.741563.59630@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Leif Erikson wrote:
> >> "veganism" is a succession of empty symbolic gestures
> >> and half measures. One might be a full-fledged
> >> "committed" "vegan", yet have no measurably lower
> >> impact than someone who ravenously wolfs down meat at
> >> every meal.
> >>
> >> The best way to see the emptily symbolic aspect of
> >> "veganism" as a practice is to observe that being
> >> "vegan" does virtually nothing to stop the wholesale
> >> slaughter of animals throughout the western societies
> >> where "veganism" is (nominally) practiced, but that
> >> doesn't stop the "vegans" from claiming moral
> >> superiority. "vegans" like to try to compare
> >> themselves favorably with anti-slavery abolitionists,
> >> but the comparison falls flat: those abolitionists had
> >> a measurable and meaningful impact in the intellectual
> >> fight against slavery, while "vegans" have had ZERO
> >> impact on their societies.
> >>
> >> One can see the half-measure aspect of "veganism" by
> >> contrasting it with a similarly symbolic gesture of
> >> refraining from consuming animal-killing vegetable
> >> produce. "vegans" pull out all the stops in trying to
> >> extirpate the last microgram of animal parts from the
> >> foods they consume ("the irrational search for
> >> micrograms"), but they're not willing to make the same
> >> effort to get all the animal CD-causing vegetables out
> >> of their diet. Why not? Because it's vastly more
> >> difficult to do. Eliminating meat from one's diet
> >> won't stop the consumption of meat by others, and
> >> eliminating high-CD vegetables from one's diet also
> >> won't stop others from consuming those veggies, but
> >> "vegans" are willing to engage in one emptily symbolic
> >> gesture and not in the other. The reason: they don't
> >> like hard work.
> >
> >
> > You are an idiot Goober.
> =======================
> Typical response from a usenet vegan loon. Nothing....
"MIX YOUR OWN CAKE!!!!" squeals ricky.
>
>
> > >> Stay informed about: half measures and empty symbolism |
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