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j carter

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:59 pm
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I've spent a lot of time crying today. My vet just removed my 8-year-old
golden retriever's spleen and the attached large cancerous growth. He also
found enlarged lymph glands and removed those. He said treatment will depend
on the type of cancer the lab finds. He also said she could live 2 or 3
weeks, 2 or 3 months, or longer. But I DO NOT WANT HER TO SUFFER, and I just
can't see putting her thru kemotherapy (sp?) treatments if her quality of
life is not going to be good. I'd really appreciate hearing opinions of
other dog-lovers as to what you would do in my case. Should I give her a
chance, should I have her put down, or what? I dearly love this dog. BUT, I
DO NOT WANT HER TO SUFFER or endure a poor quality of life for whatever time
shr might have left.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:47 pm
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Thanx so much to all of you for responding to my post. Your kind words are
making it a little easier for me to get through this very sad time. The vet
said "Daisy" is much stronger today and just ate a bowl of food. If
everything goes well, she'll probably be coming home tomorrow. Wish us luck!

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:02 pm
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Hi,
Firstly sorry to hear about your dog.
However please wait and see what the outcome is.
I know it is hard and the only thing you are thinking at the moment is the
worst that can happen.
It might not be as bad as you think.

I know that sinking feeling of sheer despair...that you are feeling right
now.
You are not a selfish owner ...so when you dog gets home you will know when
the time is right.
Thinking of you and your dog.
Pat.



"j carter" <jcarter10.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I've spent a lot of time crying today. My vet just removed my 8-year-old
> golden retriever's spleen and the attached large cancerous growth. He also
> found enlarged lymph glands and removed those. He said treatment will
depend
> on the type of cancer the lab finds. He also said she could live 2 or 3
> weeks, 2 or 3 months, or longer. But I DO NOT WANT HER TO SUFFER, and I
just
> can't see putting her thru kemotherapy (sp?) treatments if her quality of
> life is not going to be good. I'd really appreciate hearing opinions of
> other dog-lovers as to what you would do in my case. Should I give her a
> chance, should I have her put down, or what? I dearly love this dog. BUT,
I
> DO NOT WANT HER TO SUFFER or endure a poor quality of life for whatever
time
> shr might have left.
>
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:21 pm
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Hi,
I wish you all the luck in the world.
Keep strong things may not be so bad.
I do know how you are feeling though.
Guess others here do to.
Pat.


"j carter" <jcarter10.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Thanx so much to all of you for responding to my post. Your kind words are
> making it a little easier for me to get through this very sad time. The
vet
> said "Daisy" is much stronger today and just ate a bowl of food. If
> everything goes well, she'll probably be coming home tomorrow. Wish us
luck!
>
>
>
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:19 am
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In article <bPSdnYySOLujVWPdRVn-vg RemoveThis @comcast.com>,
"j carter" <jcarter10 RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:

> Thanx so much to all of you for responding to my post. Your kind words are
> making it a little easier for me to get through this very sad time. The vet
> said "Daisy" is much stronger today and just ate a bowl of food. If
> everything goes well, she'll probably be coming home tomorrow. Wish us luck!
>
>
>
>

eating is such a joyful thing for a dog. my dogs dance when it's time
to eat, so her eating is really great.

have fun with daisy. like all dogs, she's still a silly puppy, nomatter
what. you get to be the parent and make the big decisions so be good to
yourself too. give daisy a hug for me and my dopey babys. then give
yourself one too.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:52 am
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"j carter" <jcarter10.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Thanx so much to all of you for responding to my post. Your kind words are
> making it a little easier for me to get through this very sad time. The
vet
> said "Daisy" is much stronger today and just ate a bowl of food. If
> everything goes well, she'll probably be coming home tomorrow. Wish us
luck!

...........eating is good! If she feels good enough to eat, right this
minute she's doing OK. Try to think like your dog. Get up every day and be
thankful, eat your breakfast and go out for a romp. Dogs don't carry around
a lot of heavy weight. They live in the now. They don't worry about
whether or not something is going to work. They don't feel sorry for
themselves. They just deal with what is in front of them. Not a bad way to
live. Just give your pup lots of love and reassurance. That's all they
really want. When it's time you can help them over to the other side. It
is our final gift to our cherished friends.

Best of luck to you and your pup
buglady
take out the dog before replying
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:01 pm
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HOWEDY j carter10,

"j carter" <jcarter10 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> I'd really appreciate hearing opinions of
> other dog-lovers as to what you would
> do in my case.

You've come to the right place for that.

> Should I give her a chance,

You won't see these dog abusing
mental cases givin noWON a chance.

> should I have her put down, or what?

That's the CONvention here abHOWETS.

> I dearly love this dog.

We've got a infinitely WIZE grief CON-SELLER
in ed w of PETLOSS dot CON. Talk to him. Have
fifty dollars ready, he likes $50 denominations,
no personal checks please. Seems eddie had
to quit his day job panhandlin to do the grief scam.

> BUT, I DO NOT WANT HER TO SUFFER

ALL HOWER DOG LOVERS KNOW is SUFFERIN.

> or endure a poor quality of life for whatever time
> shr might have left.

DON'T WORRY ABHOWET IT.

You'll get permission to murder your dog.
You're askin liars dog abusers cowards
and active long term incurable MENTAL
CASES who ARBRITRARILY MURDER
their dogs.

HOWEDY People,

The Amazing Puppy Wizard wouldn't
ever CONsider MURDERING a dog if
he had just WON MOORE "HOWEDY!"
left in him.

> http://www.canineaction.com
> My Kids, My Students, My Life:

You MURDERED your own DEAD DOG
Buck cause you was TOO LAZY to walk
him and TOO STUPID to restrict salt from
his congestive heart failure diet supplemented
with lasix, FRENCH FRIES and PIZZA.

And THEN you CHANGED YOUR MIND
just after the veterinarian MURDERED HIM
for you for your CONvenience.

From: Leah (dfrntdrums@aol.comMURK-OFF)
Subject: Re: It's Over
Date: 2001-07-13 18:46:21 PST

>Ann Stewart astewart7 DeleteThis @home.com wrote:
>
> After Ken shaved Tosca's leg to prep him
> for the injection I told him to stop because
> I couldn't go through with it.

I had that impulse the moment that Buck's
eyes closed and he went limp. I wanted to
scream, "No! I made a mistake!"

I'm just glad I didn't break down until that moment.

I was able to smile at him and say happy things
while he was watching me. So at least the last
thing he saw and heard was the most important
thing in his life - me, telling him I loved him.

From: Leah (dfrntdrums@aol.comMURK-OFF)
Subject: Re: It's Over
Date: 2001-07-15 08:11:21 PST

>"MaryBeth" marbeths DeleteThis @home.com wrote:
>
> "Euthanasia is that one last great gift
> you can give your beloved pet. It's when
> you take *their* pain from them and
> make it your own."

This is a very comforting statement. And
so true. Can I plagarize you? :} I've also
been hanging in the alt.support.pet-loss
newsgroup since I lost my eskie, and
there are a lot of people there who would
benefit from hearing this. :}


From: Leah (dfrntdrums@aol.comMURK-OFF)
Subject: Re: It's Over
Date: 2001-07-13 12:25:22 PST

Thank you, everybody, for your kind words.
They really do help.

I really didn't think this would be so hard.
I thought I was ready. I thought I'd feel
relieved that Buck was "safe" from further
suffering.

All I can see is his eyes as he looked into
mine, trusting me, as the vet gave him the
needle.

I don't know if I'd ever have the courage
to do this again. I hope I never have to.

Leah.

=================

"MaryBeth" <marbeths DeleteThis @NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:3cfcdcfb$2_8@news.teranews.com...
>
> "MaryBeth" <marbeths DeleteThis @NOSPAMcomcast.net>
> wrote in message
>
> > Didja also see that he has 'morphed' into Valerie M.
> > Holmes ?????
>
> Note: I am not saying there isn't a VALID Valerie
> M. Holmes, but this one lives in howdy's home.
>
> MB <G>

From: Seeing Spots \(Val\) (Holmes.V@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST

HEY!!!

There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian
who is a real sweet dog with a few issues that I
am working to resolve after adopting her from a
shelter she spent 2 years in.

All I want is to get some decent help for my dog.

There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual.
My dog has ACTUALLY been responding to
her training. The deal is you have to seperate
your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the
manual what you want.

Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out of
the whole Jerry thing. I have to say the guy
is pretty clever, you're letting him get under
your skin.

It makes for a very amusing game I think.

I'm sure he would agree, or he wouldn't be playing
everyday. He also wouldn't be playing if he didn't
believe that his method of training weren't valid.

Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes, but so far,
using the Wits' End, I have gotten my dalmatian
to listen to me, to look to me for direction, to wait
for me to say when.

I have changed her from an aggressive dog to
one who is willing to please her owner, willing
to listen, willing to assume her role in the pack.

The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking

P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing
into me, ok?

MaryBeth, QUEEN OF THE RPD* MENTALLY
ILL ALLSTARS MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*

Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's
only fair that we have an accurate list of who is and
who isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings
and promote group harmony.

MaryBeth
MVP (most valuable psycho)


Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
results at several large pharmaceutical corps
has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
drug treatment in the book, and then some:
prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid, has suffered from or been:

suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of
PMS, mood swings, turned into a hermit,
bloated, just real angry, hubby afraid of
her, high blood pressure, divorced,
"raving bitch" "zoloft zombie" for four
years, "living through layers and layers
of gauze," chain smoker, buzzing, weight
gain, fatigue, terrible dry mouth, dull
headaches, fuzzy brain, lack of
concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you
name it...etc...

MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell

"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."

"<G> I do know the power of meds,
especially on a long term basis, and it's
not pretty. You become another person, if
it's not the correct med for you.

--All the best,
MaryBeth

"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."

"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for
menopause."

--MaryBeth

"I noticed that antidepressants cut
libido into the dead zone and I had no
real emotions, like not laughing at funny
stuff, couldn't cry either.....except about
my suicidal thoughts (but at the time I
thought there was no other way out)."

--MaryBeth

"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid
today. I talked with RE and pharmacist re:
zoloft 50 mg daily) and ineraction with
Clomid.

They reported none. Not sure about the
prozac tho. Gonna poat a new message to
intorduce myself :)"

--MaryBeth <still feeling like herself>
<G>

"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and
lost many many treasured ppl and things.
Please don't do the same.
(((((((SCOUT))))))))))

--MaryBeth

"Slowly but surely my depression got worse
and worse. They put me on meds for it, and
all along kept telling me to wait on the
TKR, as 'it really wasn't that
bad.....yet". HA!" The depression got so
bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve
gone thru"

--MaryBeth


Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
about being mentally ill. Has taken
several other mentally ill medications
before settling on effexor for her
chronic mental problems.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:40 pm
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In article <Q%MLc.9087$f4.5774@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> "buglady"
<buglady99 RemoveThis @bigfootdog.com> writes:
> Try to think like your dog. Get up every day and be
>thankful, eat your breakfast and go out for a romp. Dogs don't carry around
>a lot of heavy weight. They live in the now. They don't worry about
>whether or not something is going to work. They don't feel sorry for
>themselves. They just deal with what is in front of them.
>buglady

And all of this sans Zen master! :-)

--Marshall
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:08 pm
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HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE,

"Marshall Dermer" <dermer RemoveThis @alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <Q%MLc.9087$f4.5774@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>
"buglady"
> <buglady99 RemoveThis @bigfootdog.com> writes:
>
> > Try to think like your dog. Get up every day and be
> >thankful, eat your breakfast and go out for a romp.
> >Dogs don't carry around a lot of heavy weight.

That so? As the former ever pupular sindy
SADIST mooron WONce sez, "HOWE can
we know WHAT a dog is THINKIN?"

> > They live in the now. They don't worry about
> > whether or not something is going to work.

That so? The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ
dogs got MOORE on their minds than you do.

> > They don't feel sorry for themselves.

You mean YOU don't FEEL SORRY for THEM.

> > They just deal with what is in front of them.

You mean dogs DON'T THINK?

> >buglady

Even a mosquito PLANS his attack.

> And all of this sans Zen master! :-)

Well, perhaps FAITH, FATE and DESTINY
got MOORE to do with it than meditations?

> --Marshall

Subject: Shop Talk
Date: 2004-06-08 07:19:35 PST

HOWEDY People,

HOWEDY Soup,

As we all know, after talking shocking HOWER
dog lovers love most talkin abHOWET who not
to talk to, moderating HOWER news groups,
and barring that, offering killfile advice.

Perhaps there's a solution they've never thought of?

If they was to declare these "mental persons only"
news groups, decent people wouldn't be offended
by them hurting and murdering their best dogs and
they'd know better than to post here abHOWETS
and then it'll just be me an you and the mental cases
posting here abHOWETS anyMOORE.

HOWE'S abHOWET that, do you think?

Oh, bye the bye Soup? The mental persons list
needs some minor updating. There's a few loose
screwballs who are posting here who've not
complied with mental health safety and ng
courtesy protocols.

culprit aka kelly aka metta has some news to
report abHOWET her mental illnesss and we've
got a couple of self cutters and sexual sadists
who've not been updated as of yet.

PLEASE PEOPLE!

Comply with the mental health care case history
requiremets to avoid psychotic reactions from
being mishandled by ordinarily sane persons
who may think you're able to handle the truth.

Thank you,

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

P.S. In the interest of a drug free America
The Amazing Puppy Wizard recommends
SOME crazy persons with permission and
supervision of their psy-docs should SLOWLY
discontinue their anti psychotic medications
in an effort to face the very real dangers of
life withHOWET lithium...

Perhap some meditation will heelp with
the trainsition from chemical straight jackets
to life in the real world withHOWET delusion:

HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE,

"Marshall Dermer" <dermer RemoveThis @alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:c9gcij$bgr$1@uwm.edu...
> In article <2i1p8gFi9934U1 RemoveThis @uni-berlin.de> "Jess Knoch"
<jessicaknoch RemoveThis @mindspring.com> writes:
>
> ] I know it's tough while you're worrying, but you
> ] will feel much better once she's back home with you!
> ] Take it easy on yourself.
> ]
> ]Jess K.
>
> I'm with Jess!

You mean don't worry abHOWET it.

> Why don't you practice meditating as a way
> to deal with worrying?

Like you done?

You're a hypocrite, professor.

> Find a quiet place, assume a comfortable position,

INDEED. This is gonna hurt you just a little MOORE than it
will The Amazing Puppy Wizard but it's for your own good.

> close your eyes and meditate.

Picture The Amazing Puppy Wizard EXXXPLAINING
to the state board of education HOWE COME you
don't deserve to be teachin HOWER university kids
to hurt and intimidate and bribe and murder animals.

> Consider, for example, the material here:

<snip link>

From your quasi religiHOWES site:

"There are two types of meditation: analytical
meditation and placement meditation. When
we contemplate the meaning of a Dharma
instruction that we have heard or read we are
doing analytical meditation.

By deeply contemplating the instruction,
eventually we reach a conclusion or cause
a specific virtuous state of mind to arise.

This is the object of placement meditation.

Having found our object through analytical
meditation, we then concentrate on it single-
pointedly for as long as possible to become
deeply acquainted with it.

This single-pointed concentration is placement
meditation. Often, analytical meditation is called
simply `contemplation', and placement meditation
simply `meditation'.

Placement meditation depends upon contemplation,
and contemplation depends upon listening to or reading
Dharma instructions."

Well THAT was nice professor of ANAL-ytic
behaviorISM dermer. Try something scientific:

From: Wakefield (heretik@loa.com)
Subject: Re: meditation recommendation
Newsgroups: alt.aromatherapy
Date: 2001-07-26 09:11:41 PST

Gotta put a plug in for my incense guru- very
controversial figure, but one of the most dedicated
to incense learning. Start with this link and go
around to all his refs- it will be an education.

Hang onto your sox..www.oller.net/incense.html

Enjoy the hot debates Sign on to the Alice's
Restaurant discussion group, wherein are
archived a hellacious amount of material on
incense. Let us know what you think..

-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly
truck heretik, that refuses to stay between the lines
when parking --

> Life does not always go smoothly

INDEEDY, professor SCRUFF SHAKE and
SCREAM 'NO!' into ITS face for five seconds
and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation"
dermer.

> so it is good to know

That there ain't no Atheists in foxholes.

> how to "shut off" that little voice in your head

That little voice that sez your goose is cooked, professor?

> when it is not doing you any good.

Never too late to find religiHOWESNESS, is it,
professor?

At least, for as long as you're in the foxhole.

Especially after having receive a genuine
MIRACLE like HOWE you done!

Of curse, as a devHOWET Budhist you'll
wanna share the good news!

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan
Date: 1997/11/05

It is very easy for a Jew to become an atheist
because according to Jewish thought there is
no physical entity that correponds to God.

Moreover, although Jews may pray that God be
compassionate and just, attributing such features
to God limits his omnipotence.

That is, if God is just then God is limited in the
sense that he/she/it cannot be unjust.

So, for many Jews God is not physical and without
attributes yet somehow is the ultimate source of the
universe.

Some may see, therefore, that it is much simpler to
assume "the universe" being that much of it is "right in
front of our eyes," than to assume such an immaterial,
attributeless god.

--Marshall
dermer RemoveThis @csd.uwm.edu


Well then professor, HOWE COME do you
suppose they call HIM, G-D?


From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Leah's Little "Problem"
Date: 2002-04-20 18:50:56 PST

In article <20020420163513.07996.00004795 RemoveThis @mb-cr.aol.com>
dfrntdrums RemoveThis @aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) writes:
>
>> But I would like to know that if it *is* the worst,
>> then Madigan will still have a good home.
> Dear Leah,
> I'm jumping into this thread having not read your initial post.

IOW, as per usual you don't know your subject, professor.

> Once I was given a serious but erroneous diagnosis.

As well you've repaid the favor many times over.

> After considerable anxiety I came to the philosophical
> position that "whatever I have, I have."

You're quite the philosopher, professor. Surprising
you hadn't used someWON else's fancy words, well
read as you are no DHOWET, just judgin by HOWE
you weasel words.

> What most helped me was meditation.

INDEED, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

Perhaps medecine would be a MOORE effective
scientific approach. Like in the original poster's
case. SHORELY mamary tumors might respond
to scientifc aroma therapy and your mantra? And
a good diet and some select herbs.

> I had often practiced meditation,

HAD YOU, NHOWE?

> and now, having heard that I had a "serious" condition

You got a MOORE seriHOWES CONdition NHOWE, professor.

> I resumed meditation.

It's NEVER too late, so long as you're alive.

IS IT, professor philosopher.

> My mantra was/is the end of the Kaddish:

You've said you're an Atheist, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

But then, you've also said you don't do to dogs
what you do to dogs, as have most of the other
non believers heathens Satanists and witches
on the dog behavior forum you've misled for six
years tryin to sell your fraudulent masters degree
program and defend your alleged right to hurt
and murder animals.

> "Oseh shalom bimroomav who ya-ah say
> shalom aleinu v kal Yisroel."

INDEED? Very impressive. Got any idea
what that means? Most of us on The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Forum don't speak Chinese.

> I eventually searched the biomedical literature
> and consulted with a physician friend who
> insisted that the medication I was taking had
> produced the "strange" blood work.

And you got that through your deepest Buddist
ANAL-ytic contemplation placement meditation?

BWEEEEHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

> I discontinued the medication, brought my doctor
> my literature review, and had the test repeated.
> My lab results were now pretty much normal. :-)

All thanks to that last ditch Buddhism stuff?

Ain't THAT HOWE COME The Buddah smiles?

> My doctor, a nice guy, apologized for the
> misdiagnosis. (This is why they call it the
> "practice" of medicine.)

Or the practice of Budihst meditation. See?
You got a FREAKIN MIRACLE, professor!

Your own discussion of hunger and teeth
this week, will suggest SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE
of your MIRACLE brought to you by your Buddah.

AMAZING!

Hey, professor? Know when the only time you
ever hear "AMAZING" is? When The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's CONSISTENTLY 100% NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Students REPORT
RIGHT HERE sayin 'HOWEDY The Puppy Wizard,
your METHOD / MACHINE SAVED MY DOG'S LIFE.
AMAZING. THANK YOU, G-D BLESS YOU, JERRY."

Ain't it, professor.

> As for Madigan, your concern reveals your
> great love for your friend. Most dogs, quite
> fortunately, readily adapt to "new packs."

Well, consider that Madigan bit leah five times
and destroyed her HOWES, she'll manage with
HOWET her abuser someHOWE.

> Though we would like to think that our pets
> have a special bond with us,

INDEED. That's HOWE COME you teach
them HOWE to be NICE and TRUSTWORTHY.

Let's discuss your SCRUFF SHAKE and the
kids crawlin all over your dog on the livin room
floor and allelomimetic behavior, professor?

> most will bond with anyone who provides them
> with food, water, shelter, exercise, play, etc.

That so, professor? You're anthropmorphizing.

> Still, there is nothing like having a good talk
> or cry with the pet or pets that we love.

You mean, the WON leah jerked and choked
on her pronged spiked pinch choke collar and
sprayed aversives in her face and twisted her
neck on a GL necktwister and offered and
withheld bribes and bit her five times?

> They never complain.

INDEED? HOWE COME do you think
your little hyperactive dog Maxie The
Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive
Compulsive Masturbator has had chronic
urinary tract bladder inflamations and
inflmatory BHOWEL DIS-EASE and low
grade fever and vomiting and don't forget
his periodontal DIS-EASE, professor.

> As Paula's signature noted,

Paula is a dog abuser and mental case, professor.

> "Dogs wag their tails, not their tongues."

Yeah? Well The Amazing Puppy Wizard just
happens to know what a dog is thinkin by
HOWE he wags his tail and the behaviors
he demonstrates as normal predictable
natural innate instinctive reflexive responses
to situations and circumstances of their
environments which we create for them.

That's HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard trains HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manaul Students... NEARLY INSTANTLY,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

"It is by muteness that a dog becomes so
utterly beyond value."

Like a confessor Priest? Don't bet your dog
won't tell on you...

"With him, words play no torturing tricks.........., "
John Galsworthy, adapted with permission from
his FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.

Their behaviors reflect our words, thoughts,
actions, and training quirks. Jerry HOWE,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ } >

> Please keep in touch,

Keep in touch with yourself, professor.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard sez you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you got unclean hands, professor
SCRUFF SHAKE.

> --Marshall

"Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action
as separate, not the wise. If any man knows one, he
enjoys the fruit of both. The level which is reached by
wisdom is attained through right action as well. He who
perceives that the two are one knows the truth.

Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

What is the use of compulsion then?

The love and hate which are aroused by the objects of
sense arise from Nature, do not yield to them. They
only obstruct the path." Bhagavad Gita, adapted by
Krishna with permission from His FREE copy of The
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual.


The Jewish text _Darchei Shalom_
(Path of Peace) offers this advice for
coexistance.

1. Address issues, not people.

2. Check sources. Statements about the beliefs,
behaviors, and quotations of another group should
always be verified with members of that group for
accuracy, context, and intent.

3. Avoid stereotyping and sweeping generalities,
such as defining a whole group's behavior by the
behavior of some.

4. Avoid words of incitement. Language meant
merely to mock, divide, and insult should *never*
be used.

"Speech is a mirror of the soul: as a man speaks,
so is he." Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073

"We are what we do."

From: sionnach (rhyfelwr@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
>
> And Sally responded:
>
> >Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> >that, and neither would most of the regulars on here.
> >Sally Hennessey
>
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so.
> Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies
> across the room!
>
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a
> 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
>
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".

Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."

sinofabitch writes:
> >> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
> >> posts from two different people,
> >> took pieces of them out of context,
> >> cobbled them together,
> >> then added his own words:

"Neatly," and "Smartly."

> >>and a fake signature.

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.

> >> Which is exactly what he did.
> >> The actual quote is misleading
> >> when taken out of context, and Jerry's
> >> faked "quote" is downright meaningless.
> >Here's Jerry's version
> > "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
> > Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
> > Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
> > Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
> > Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
> > Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
> > Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
> >Here's yours;
> > "I dropped the leash, threw my
> > right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
> > grabbed her opposite foot with my
> > left hand, rolled her on her side,
> > leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
> > nipped her ear.
> > --Sara Sionnach

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's professor of
ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall
"SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face
for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," dermer.


From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

>Paul B wrote:
>> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
>> I haven't read any other advice that says to
>> praise immediately regardless of what the dog
>> does next (the common advice is to praise once
>> the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least
>> stopped the unwanted behaviour), this is unique
>> to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own experiences
>> is an important part of the process.

And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.

His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

--Marshall

=================

"Marshall Dermer" <dermer RemoveThis @alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...
>
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.

> Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising
> a dog for barking, but he appears to recognize
> that this may not work and so distraction
> is recommended as a back up procedure:

"Estel J. Hines" <ejhines RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>
>>> Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reductioon,
>>> it went something like this with our 11 month old
>>> puppy "Yoshi"
>>> Yoshi: Bark, bark,
>>> us: HUSH Youshi
>>> Yoshi Bark, bark......................
>>> us: Hush Youshi
>>> Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, .................................
>>> it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking
>>> We decided to try the Jerry method
>>> :Yoshi: BARK, BARK
>>> US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?
>>> Yoshi Bark, Bark
>>> US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them
>>> Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that
>>> I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
>>> can praise him, to deal with things like this
>>> Thanks Jerry
>>> ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
>>> Papers, and learn how to live with our son
>>> "Yoshi", whom we love very much. --
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Estel J. Hines

==============

> There really is NOTHING new about the advice above!

Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE.

> Sound distraction may be understood in
> terms of the more general behavior analytic
> approach as follows.
>
> The distracting stimulus

Like a SCRUFF SHAKE, professor?

>evokes a behavior that is incompatible with barking.

You mean like SCREAMING "NO!" into ITS face
for 5 seconds?

> The dog engages in some other behavior

NO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

THAT AIN'T HOWE IT WORKS.

> and then is reinforced (if praise functions as a
> reinforcer).

NO, professor. You don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD.

> --Marshal

ANAL-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

And The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you're a liar and a dog abuser and
a coward and a MENTAL CASE.

Here's HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches
HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students to train their critters NEARLY
INSTANTLY.

New Law Of Physics

HOWEDY People,

"The amount of misery and difficulty a dog abuser
has from their dogs is directly proportionate to the
number of times they've WARNED people to KILLFILE
Jerry and not study your FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual..."

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of
Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be
Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent,
Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's
And All Dogs, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught
In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual."

The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

Here's Disciple Paulie:

Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands
How Wits End Training Really Works, They
Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise
It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On
Trust And Understanding."

Disciple Paulie Writes:

I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell
them they are good dogs and they seem to
follow me, once I told them they were bad dogs
and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell
them they are good dogs and they always are, always.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.

Paul.

========================

Here's a couple of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students tellin you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE:

"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard RemoveThis @earthlink.net>
schreef inbericht
news:DLpzb.2640$Qd6.1560@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> You'll get ALL the INFORMATION you need in your
> FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
> Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual. You'll be
> taught some general exercises to calm and relax
> your dog and give him the direct attention he
> NEEDS in only a few minutes every other day, and
> you'll learn HOWE to use distraction and praise to
> EXXXTINGUISH the HABITUAL aspect of this DIS-
> EASE.

My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail
at the root (Vet said his anal gland was blocked, and
was causing an itch).

After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his
tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat
you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt.

I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts.

I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long
textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this
is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for
somebody like me.

The minute he started to bite i trew my key's
next to him on the floor, and praised him (he
stopped biting and looked up when he heard
the sound) I did this 7 times,

after that the tailbiting completely stopped.
Just give the wits end method a try.

One of the possible downloadlocations
is http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html


Hennie van Dalen
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11

----------------------------

"Paul B" <abcde RemoveThis @clear.net.nz> schreef in bericht
news:3ff50d83@clear.net.nz...
>
> Both my dogs at some stage have licked a spot
> somewhere on their bodies and I have always
> managed to train them to stop. In all cases there
> was nothing wrong that licking would have helped
> (Roz has had cut pads, stitches in her belly and
> skin itrritations, all tempting her to lick), none of their
> licking has been due to any allergies
>
>. When I see the dog licking more than normal I
> look at the spot to see whats there and decide if
> a vet appointment is needed or to wait and see,
> keeping a close eye.
>
>To stop the licking I distract the dog and give it
> some friendly banter, when it starts licking again
> I repeat, usually after about 4 times the dog stops,
> for the moment at least, if it starts again then repeat,
> before long the dog has no more desire to lick that
> spot at all.

The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing
problem too. He had an itch due to blocked anal glands
and started chewing and licking his tail at the root.

After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was
gone he still wouldn't stop. (because the place he
chewed raw was itching)

After some training (roughly the same methode as
yours) he stopped.

--
Hennie van Dalen
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/

--------------------------------------


"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis***@chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...

RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The F***ing
Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works
very good!

But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on
A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching
him something new takes about 30minutes
(depending on what to teach offcourse)

My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.

Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"

There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.

For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!

My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.

Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html

-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/


"Ted Rumple" <rumplemint RemoveThis @kalbar.net> wrote in message
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>
> Jerry, I am forever in your debt. The system you have
> created for training dogs is absolutely amazing!
>
> I can't wait until the new version is available for human
> children!
>
> Thank you for your service to humanity!

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >

P.S. Contacting Dr. P:

Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.

In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.

That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.

Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.

If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.

P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.

"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.

What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >
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