Help End the Cruel Harp Seal Hunt

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> >> >> It's perfectly ethical, legal, humane, moral, and sustainable to harvest
> >> >> seals for fur and meat.
> >> >
> >> > It is none of the above.
> >>
> >> That certainly was a compelling argument.
> >
> >If there is absolute necessity (for survival), it may be justifiable.
> >
> >This isn't.
>
> Could you please show some data to prove your statement.
>
> If folks stop producing food, then what do they eat?

'Most of the meat is wasted and left on the ice. Some if it is
sold to fur farms and some is ground up into animal feed. A
few thousand seal flippers are sold for human consumption in
Newfoundland. There is also a growing black market demand
for the seal penis bone in the Far East as some sort of voodoo
quack remedy for impotence.
....'
http://www.harpseals.org/hunt/faqs.html
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> >> >> It's perfectly ethical, legal, humane, moral, and sustainable to
> >> >> harvest
> >> >> seals for fur and meat.
> >> >
> >> > It is none of the above.
> >>
> >> That certainly was a compelling argument.
> >
> > If there is absolute necessity (for survival), it may be justifiable.
> >
> > This isn't.
>
> And who bestowed upon you the authority to determine what is justified and
> what is not? Well, nobody has, so what you define as necessity is purely an
> "opinion."

Actually.. Logic dictates that whatever is not required for survival
is not absolute necessity. Ethics determines that wanton violence,
cruelty and killing is immoral. Justice averts her eyes and weeps.

"Tsekung asked, Is there one word that can serve as a principle of
conduct for life? Confucius replied, It is the word shu -- reciprocity:
Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you."
- Confucianism. Analects 15.23

> >> >> > A colleague asks: "If children weren't meant to be eaten,
> >> >> > then why are they made out of meat?" Answer please..
> >> >>
> >> >> Why aren't children meant to be eaten? Ovo vegetarians eat chicken
> >> >> embryos,
> >> >> do they not?
> >> >
> >> > No. Unfertilized eggs are not embryos. Even fertilized eggs from
> >> > chickens running free with roosters will not develop into embryos
> >> > until there's a worthwhile clutch and incubated by a broody hen.
> >>
> >> No, they are not embryos until fertilized and incubated,
> >
> > What I said.
> >
> >> but the purpose of
> >> an egg is animal reproduction. Whether an embryo or not, consuming an
> >> egg
> >> is eating something intended by nature to be a baby chicken.
> >
> > Yes. But it isn't.
>
> It's still an animal product. If the animal ethicists don't want to be seen
> as hypocrites they should be consistent in their beliefs against animal
> exploitation.

There could be symbiotic, that is, mutually beneficial, association.

> >> >> We humans don't eat our own children though, most species do
> >> >> not because infanticide is not a great way to propagate your own
> >> >> species.
> >> >> However, in certain cases of overpopulation stress and Darwinian
> >> >> competition
> >> >> animals will cannibalize their own offspring.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, they are "made of meat". One small step for mankind..
> >>
> >> It isn't unethical to eat animals or make products from them.
> >
> > Except in cases of absolute necessity, it constitutes wanton violence.
>
> Like I said above, you are not in a position of authority to define what is
> necessity and your words are pure opinion.

Whatever is not required for survival is not absolute necessity. Logic.

> The laws of the land in Canada
> make it quite legal to slaughter animals, from meat packing plants that
> operate 7/24/365 to the annual slaughter of seals. That's right, as a
> sovereign nation we have the power of life and death over our animal
> resources, both domestic and wild, as we have from the beginning of our
> history.

Convenient, eh.

'Argumentum ad Antiquitam.

Description: A fallacy of asserting that something is right or good
simply because it is old; that is, because "that's the way it's always
been."

http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/EdPsy/misc/Fallacies.htm

> I see that PETA also reserves the right to life and death over
> animals considering it routinely practices euthanasia.

Very wrong, in mine and many other ARAs' view.

> Now, there are REAL authorities that determine what constitutes animal
> cruelty. The Canadian Veterinary Medical Association is one such
> organization, they report that 98% of seals are slaughtered in manner
> consistent with humane practices.

When they were there observing the killing - known to the killers?

'Veterinarians have shockingly documented seals being skinned
alive. In 2001, an independent team of veterinary experts studied
Canada's commercial seal hunt. Their report concluded that in
42% of the cases they examined, the seal did not show enough
evidence of cranial injury to even guarantee unconsciousness at
the time of skinning. Video footage taken by hunt observers
shows that many sealers do not conduct the Blink-reflex Test to
ensure each seal is rendered unconscious before skinning,
although the test is quick, simple and required by law. The short
duration of this hunt as well as the geographic and financial
obstacles to monitoring the hunt, makes it impossible to ensure
that the seals are killed humanely.
...'
http://www.savecanadianseals.org/huntfacts.html

'Clubbing seals & leaving to suffer, possibility hooking alive,
possible bleeding alive
Shooting seal & leaving to suffer, possible hooking alive
Shooting seal & leaving to suffer, clubbing with a boat hook,
hooking alive
Possible shooting seal & leaving to suffer, possible struck
and lost
Shooting seal & leaving to suffer, hooking alive
Shooting seal & leaving to suffer, possible hooking alive,
clubbing with boat hook
Shooting seal & leaving to suffer, hooking alive
Shooting seal & leaving to suffer
.............
http://tinyurl.com/2dmcb

> PETA euthanizes up to 85% of the animals
> it "rescues", I would hazard a guess that the administration of sodium
> pentobarbital to these animals doesn't always go right and there is
> suffering involved.

'Tu Quoque - Two Wrongs Make a Right

Description: Two wrongs never add up to a right; you cannot right
a wrong by applying yet another wrong. Such a fallacy is a misplaced
appeal to consistency. It is a fallacy because it makes no attempt to
deal with the subject under discussion.

http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/EdPsy/misc/Fallacies.htm

> >> Paleontologists have long since proven (by digging up fire pits, etc)
> >> that
> >> ancient man were opportunistic eaters that ate both plants and animals.
> >> They also know that man manufactured products and utensils from animals,
> >> like clothing, weapons, personal decorations, tools, etc.
> >
> > 'Brown says that pushing the emergence of Homo sapiens from
> > about 160,000 years ago back to about 195,000 years ago "is
> > significant because the cultural aspects of humanity in most cases
> > appear much later in the record - only 50,000 years ago - which
> > would mean 150,000 years of Homo sapiens without cultural stuff,
> > such as evidence of eating fish, of harpoons, anything to do with
> > music (flutes and that sort of thing), needles, even tools. This
> > stuff all comes in very late, except for stone knife blades, which
> > appeared between 50,000 and 200,000 years ago, depending on
> > whom you believe."
> >
> > Fleagle adds: "There is a huge debate in the archeological literature
> > regarding the first appearance of modern aspects of behavior such
> > as bone carving for religious reasons, or tools (harpoons and things),
> > ornamentation (bead jewelry and such), drawn images, arrowheads.
> > They only appear as a coherent package about 50,000 years ago,
> > and the first modern humans that left Africa between 50,000 and
> > 40,000 years ago seem to have had the full set. As modern human
> > anatomy is documented at earlier and earlier sites, it becomes
> > evident that there was a great time gap between the appearance of
> > the modern skeleton and 'modern behavior.'"
>
> I can find scientific reports that give evidence of hominids eating flesh
> and making tools as far back as 2.5 million years ago. To claim that humans
> just discovered animals were useful 50,000-200,000 years ago is some very
> wishful thinking:
>
> "On present evidence hominids have been manufacturing stone tools for
> the processing of animal carcasses, among other activities, for 2.5 Ma
> (million years) (Semaw et al., 1997);"
>
> http://melampus.colorado.edu/class/pdfs/LeeThorpetal03.pdf

Can you show us this evidence.

> Chemistry also shows early hominids were omnivores based on the levels of
> strontium/calcium found in fossil bone. Mammal digestion discriminates
> between calcium/strontium and preferentially eliminates strontium. When the
> ratios found in fossil bone are compared to various herbivorous and
> carnivorous food sources, the Sr/Cr profile of hominids going back millions
> of years is consistent with omnivorous diets.

I'd like to see the data. Meanwhile..

'.. disease rates were significantly associated within a range of
dietary plant food composition that suggested an absence of a
disease prevention threshold. That is, the closer a diet is to an
all-plant foods diet, the greater will be the reduction in the rates
of these diseases.'
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Nov98/thermogenesis_paper.html
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> Actually.. Logic dictates that whatever is not required for survival
> is not absolute necessity. Ethics determines that wanton violence,
> cruelty and killing is immoral. Justice averts her eyes and weeps.

Ethics are highly subjective, a product of mankind and the societies we live
in. Killing animals is not unethical, in fact we kill millions upon
millions of them every day for food, products, medical purposes, etc.
Sometimes we kill animals for pure sport just to cut off their heads and
mount them on a wall. When society feels strongly about a certain ethic and
we make a law to enforce it. Canada is democratic nation which means
society must generally agree on laws. Opinion polls show Canadians support
the seal hunt.

So you see, your personal definition of logic and ethics only applies to
YOU. The definition that applies to society is determined collectively by
society.

> "Tsekung asked, Is there one word that can serve as a principle of
> conduct for life? Confucius replied, It is the word shu -- reciprocity:
> Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you."
> - Confucianism. Analects 15.23

The Golden Rule exists in all major religions, it's a very good rule when
applied to human relationships. It falls apart when applied to human-animal
relationships and animal ethics.

> There could be symbiotic, that is, mutually beneficial, association.

Sealing is mutually beneficial. They get less competition for food, we get
products to sell.

> Whatever is not required for survival is not absolute necessity. Logic.

That eliminates just about 99.9% of what we know as civilization. Humans
are not creatures of pure need, we have wants and desires and the
intelligence to achieve them. That's what separates us from the animals.
What you're delving into are theoretical that only exist in the minds of
naive idealists.

>> The laws of the land in Canada
>> make it quite legal to slaughter animals, from meat packing plants that
>> operate 7/24/365 to the annual slaughter of seals. That's right, as a
>> sovereign nation we have the power of life and death over our animal
>> resources, both domestic and wild, as we have from the beginning of our
>> history.
>
> Convenient, eh.
>
> 'Argumentum ad Antiquitam.
>
> Description: A fallacy of asserting that something is right or good
> simply because it is old; that is, because "that's the way it's always
> been."

Something is right or good when society deems it to be. If laws are a
continuance of tradition that is because society has not seen fit to reform
them. Therefore, in this case what is old is also current and contemporary;
it passes the truth test.

>> I see that PETA also reserves the right to life and death over
>> animals considering it routinely practices euthanasia.
>
> Very wrong, in mine and many other ARAs' view.

This proves the rules of animal ethics are not absolutes, even among the
ARAs.

>> Now, there are REAL authorities that determine what constitutes animal
>> cruelty. The Canadian Veterinary Medical Association is one such
>> organization, they report that 98% of seals are slaughtered in manner
>> consistent with humane practices.
>
> When they were there observing the killing - known to the killers?
>
> 'Veterinarians have shockingly documented seals being skinned
> alive. In 2001, an independent team of veterinary experts studied
> Canada's commercial seal hunt. Their report concluded that in
> 42% of the cases they examined, the seal did not show enough
> evidence of cranial injury to even guarantee unconsciousness at
> the time of skinning. Video footage taken by hunt observers
> shows that many sealers do not conduct the Blink-reflex Test to
> ensure each seal is rendered unconscious before skinning,
> although the test is quick, simple and required by law. The short
> duration of this hunt as well as the geographic and financial
> obstacles to monitoring the hunt, makes it impossible to ensure
> that the seals are killed humanely.
>
> http://www.savecanadianseals.org/huntfacts.html
>
> 'Clubbing seals & leaving to suffer, possibility hooking alive,
> possible bleeding alive
> Shooting seal & leaving to suffer, possible hooking alive
> Shooting seal & leaving to suffer, clubbing with a boat hook,
> hooking alive
> Possible shooting seal & leaving to suffer, possible struck
> and lost
> Shooting seal & leaving to suffer, hooking alive
> Shooting seal & leaving to suffer, possible hooking alive,
> clubbing with boat hook
> Shooting seal & leaving to suffer, hooking alive
> Shooting seal & leaving to suffer

For credibility a claim should be supported by some supporting evidence.
Which veterinarian experts said this? How come no names of individuals or
the name of the group? You can corroborate my 98% claim with the Canadian
Veterinary Medical Association.

Now, you do realize theses anti-sealing sites deal more in
emotionally-charged hype than facts?

> ............
> http://tinyurl.com/2dmcb
>
>> PETA euthanizes up to 85% of the animals
>> it "rescues", I would hazard a guess that the administration of sodium
>> pentobarbital to these animals doesn't always go right and there is
>> suffering involved.
>
> 'Tu Quoque - Two Wrongs Make a Right
>
> Description: Two wrongs never add up to a right; you cannot right
> a wrong by applying yet another wrong. Such a fallacy is a misplaced
> appeal to consistency. It is a fallacy because it makes no attempt to
> deal with the subject under discussion.

The ARAs can't even agree on whether euthanasia is ethical, thus you'll have
to save your judgment for future date.

> http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/EdPsy/misc/Fallacies.htm
>
>> >> Paleontologists have long since proven (by digging up fire pits, etc)
>> >> that
>> >> ancient man were opportunistic eaters that ate both plants and
>> >> animals.
>> >> They also know that man manufactured products and utensils from
>> >> animals,
>> >> like clothing, weapons, personal decorations, tools, etc.
>> >
>> > 'Brown says that pushing the emergence of Homo sapiens from
>> > about 160,000 years ago back to about 195,000 years ago "is
>> > significant because the cultural aspects of humanity in most cases
>> > appear much later in the record - only 50,000 years ago - which
>> > would mean 150,000 years of Homo sapiens without cultural stuff,
>> > such as evidence of eating fish, of harpoons, anything to do with
>> > music (flutes and that sort of thing), needles, even tools. This
>> > stuff all comes in very late, except for stone knife blades, which
>> > appeared between 50,000 and 200,000 years ago, depending on
>> > whom you believe."
>> >
>> > Fleagle adds: "There is a huge debate in the archeological literature
>> > regarding the first appearance of modern aspects of behavior such
>> > as bone carving for religious reasons, or tools (harpoons and things),
>> > ornamentation (bead jewelry and such), drawn images, arrowheads.
>> > They only appear as a coherent package about 50,000 years ago,
>> > and the first modern humans that left Africa between 50,000 and
>> > 40,000 years ago seem to have had the full set. As modern human
>> > anatomy is documented at earlier and earlier sites, it becomes
>> > evident that there was a great time gap between the appearance of
>> > the modern skeleton and 'modern behavior.'"
>>
>> I can find scientific reports that give evidence of hominids eating flesh
>> and making tools as far back as 2.5 million years ago. To claim that
>> humans
>> just discovered animals were useful 50,000-200,000 years ago is some very
>> wishful thinking:
>>
>> "On present evidence hominids have been manufacturing stone tools for
>> the processing of animal carcasses, among other activities, for 2.5 Ma
>> (million years) (Semaw et al., 1997);"
>>
>> http://melampus.colorado.edu/class/pdfs/LeeThorpetal03.pdf
>
> Can you show us this evidence.

Argumentum ad absurdum.

>> Chemistry also shows early hominids were omnivores based on the levels of
>> strontium/calcium found in fossil bone. Mammal digestion discriminates
>> between calcium/strontium and preferentially eliminates strontium. When
>> the
>> ratios found in fossil bone are compared to various herbivorous and
>> carnivorous food sources, the Sr/Cr profile of hominids going back
>> millions
>> of years is consistent with omnivorous diets.
>
> I'd like to see the data. Meanwhile..

Ever heard of Google?

> '.. disease rates were significantly associated within a range of
> dietary plant food composition that suggested an absence of a
> disease prevention threshold. That is, the closer a diet is to an
> all-plant foods diet, the greater will be the reduction in the rates
> of these diseases.'
> http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Nov98/thermogenesis_paper.html

Non-sequitur argumentum ad absurdum.
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> Omnivores are carnivorous. Where are meat-eating adaptations?

The brain.
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>> "pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message news:et3pe6$v67$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>> Omnivores are carnivorous. Where are meat-eating adaptations?
>
> The brain.
Leading to technology, like stone tools 2M years ago and fire over 1M years ago.
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> <10x@teluös.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:08:35 -0000, "pearl" <tea RemoveThis @signguestbook.ie>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Chom Noamsky" <e RemoveThis @t.me> wrote in message
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>> >> "pearl" <tea RemoveThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
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>> >>
>> >> > Humans are not a naturally carnivorous species.
>> >>
>> >> Humans are naturally omnivores (both herbivore and carnivore). That
>> >> can be
>> >> proven by simply examining our teeth.
>> >
>> >See my reply to Nobody.
>> >
>> >> >> And how would Pearl suggest the Inuit grow cereal crops and
>> >> >> vegetables? OR is global warming going to allow them to do that?
>> >> >
>> >> > These seals are not being killed for meat.
>> >>
>> >> There is still a market for seal meat but it isn't the primary market.
>> >
>> >Again, show us data to support your claim.
>>
>> You want the menu for an outport restraunt in Newfoundland?
>> You have never had seal flipper soup?
>
> 'Most of the meat is wasted and left on the ice. Some if it is
> sold to fur farms and some is ground up into animal feed. A
> few thousand seal flippers are sold for human consumption in
> Newfoundland. There is also a growing black market demand
> for the seal penis bone in the Far East as some sort of voodoo
> quack remedy for impotence.
> ...
> There are few indigenous peoples involved in the commercial
> seal "hunt". Inuit or Native people in the North hunt mostly in
> the arctic and primarily ringed seals. Most of the sealers in the
> Gulf of St.Lawrence are residents of the Magdalen Islands
> of Quebec. These are French speaking people. Most of the
> sealers of the Newfoundland Front are descendents of the
> European immigrants.
>
> There are about 4500 Inuit in Newfoundland. However, the
> original Newfoundlanders, the Beothuk, were driven into
> extinction by the European immigrants. The last member of
> the Beothuk nation died in 1912. The Newfoundlanders had
> a bounty on the Beothuk and most were slain by MicMac
> Indian bounty hunters from New Brunswick and Quebec.
> Newfoundlanders also drove the Newfoundland wolf, the
> walrus, and the Labrador duck to extinction and extirpated the
> polar bear, and the pilot whale from Newfoundland territory....
> ...'
> http://www.harpseals.org/hunt/faqs.html
>
>> You should travel to China and take a close look at the menus there.
>> If it walks, swims, crawls, or is breathing, it just might be a menu
>> item.
>
> 'Tu Quoque - Two Wrongs Make a Right
>
> Description: Two wrongs never add up to a right; you cannot right
> a wrong by applying yet another wrong. Such a fallacy is a misplaced
> appeal to consistency. It is a fallacy because it makes no attempt to
> deal with the subject under discussion.

Do you have an opinion of your own, or do you just parrot websites?
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>> >> "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
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>> >>
>> >> > Humans are not a naturally carnivorous species.
>> >>
>> >> Humans are naturally omnivores (both herbivore and carnivore). That
>> >> can
>> >> be
>> >> proven by simply examining our teeth.
>> >
>> > See my reply to Nobody.
>>
>> See my post about strontium/calcium in hominid fossil bone. It makes the
>> argument about teeth rather irrelevant.
>
> I'm waiting to see the data.
>
>> >> >> And how would Pearl suggest the Inuit grow cereal crops and
>> >> >> vegetables? OR is global warming going to allow them to do that?
>> >> >
>> >> > These seals are not being killed for meat.
>> >>
>> >> There is still a market for seal meat but it isn't the primary market.
>> >
>> > Again, show us data to support your claim.
>>
>> http://www.sealharvest.ca/html/products.html
>
> "Meat processing on a commercial basis has always been
> minimal since consumption is restricted to the domestic market
> in Atlantic and Arctic Canada especially in Newfoundland. "
>
> 'Most of the meat is wasted and left on the ice. Some if it is
> sold to fur farms and some is ground up into animal feed. A
> few thousand seal flippers are sold for human consumption in
> Newfoundland.

Shows the need to better cultivate markets for seal meat.

> There is also a growing black market demand
> for the seal penis bone in the Far East as some sort of voodoo
> quack remedy for impotence.

The seal hunt is legal, the trade in such animal parts is not. Go after the
criminals.

> There are few indigenous peoples involved in the commercial
> seal "hunt". Inuit or Native people in the North hunt mostly in
> the arctic and primarily ringed seals. Most of the sealers in the
> Gulf of St.Lawrence are residents of the Magdalen Islands
> of Quebec. These are French speaking people. Most of the
> sealers of the Newfoundland Front are descendents of the
> European immigrants.

And?

> There are about 4500 Inuit in Newfoundland. However, the
> original Newfoundlanders, the Beothuk, were driven into
> extinction by the European immigrants. The last member of
> the Beothuk nation died in 1912. The Newfoundlanders had
> a bounty on the Beothuk and most were slain by MicMac
> Indian bounty hunters from New Brunswick and Quebec.
> Newfoundlanders also drove the Newfoundland wolf, the
> walrus, and the Labrador duck to extinction and extirpated the
> polar bear, and the pilot whale from Newfoundland territory....

The sons are responsible for the sins of the father?
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>> > I care about the seals and the environment. Duh.
>>
>> Harp Seals are not in any great danger of extinction, far from it, the
>> populations are quite healthy and have been stable for years.
>
> 'While the harp seal is not on Canada's species at risk list, it is
> unlikely that the population can continue to withstand the current
> levels of exploitation.

<snip all usual ARA propaganda>

The World Wildlife Fund supports the seal hunt. They've taken the realistic
approach and believe a sustainable hunt is the best solution for all
parties. The ARAs are ideologically driven radicals that have no connection
to seals or the communities that hunt them, other than this type of activism
is a very good way to raise funds and keep their leaders employed. If the
WWF and respected conservationists believes the hunt is sustainable, that's
good enough for me.
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> "Chom Noamsky" <e.DeleteThis@t.me> wrote in message
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>> "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
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>> > The seals do not belong to you. Put your own house in order.
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>> Yes they do.
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> No, they do not, regardless of what you have decided, to suit you.

Your naivety is astounding, theoretical meta-ethics do not apply here.

>> All animals that reside within the territorial waters and
>> boundaries of Canada belong to Canadians, and can be used as a common
>> resource in any way Canadians see fit.
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>> That's the way the real world works, get over it.
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> They belong to no one. You cannot truthfully own other beings.

The world doesn't run on the theoretical ethics of misguided animal rights
activists. All major religions support a human-centric view of the world,
that we are superior beings and hold dominion over the natural world. To
claim that one "cannot truthfully own other beings" is moot and irrelevant.
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> 'By eating different species of crops and a more or less vegetarian
> diet people can change the number that a plot can feed. And large
> numbers of people do change their diets. The calories and protein
> available from present cropland could provide a vegetarian diet to
> ten billion people. A diet requiring food and feed totaling 6,000
> calories daily for ten billion people, however, would overwhelm
> the capability of present agriculture on present cropland. The
> global totals of sun, CO2, fertilizer, and even water could produce
> far more food than what ten billion people need.

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Now it's only fair that you consider the other perspective:

http://www.beeffrompasturetoplate.org/mythmeatproductioniswasteful.aspx

And the question that begs to be asked: do you think everyone wants to be
vegetarian?
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> 'Cornell Ph.D. student works the land by hand at Bison Ridge
> Farming in harmony with nature

pearl, I'm betting the closest you've ever been to a farm are the pictures
in your ARA handouts
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On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:50:55 -0000, "pearl" <tea DeleteThis @signguestbook.ie>
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>"Chom Noamsky" <e DeleteThis @t.me> wrote in message news:qZCIh.62078$Du6.16459@edtnps82...
>> "pearl" <tea DeleteThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
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>> > March 9, 2007
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>> > It's that time of year again: The ice floes off the Canadian coast
>> > are about to turn red with the blood of the countless baby harp
>> > seals who are slaughtered for their fur.
>> >
>> > Words cannot describe the cruelty of the annual seal "hunt,"
>> > which is really more of a massacre and will begin in just a few
>> > days. To stop this yearly atrocity, we must generate an
>> > international outcry against the Canadian government. [..]
>> >
>> > Sign PETA's international petition to Canadian Prime Minister
>> > Stephen Harper. Our goal is to gather signatures from more
>> > than 50,000 people
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>> Is this People for the Eating
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>No. It is the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
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>A colleague asks: "If children weren't meant to be eaten,
>then why are they made out of meat?" Answer please..

Children are unsuitable for human consumption because cannibalism
leads to the development of prion diseases. If you mean to raise
children for consumption though, I recommend you raise them on a
vegetarian diet. They'll taste a lot better.
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