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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:07 pm
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"Nobody" <not.DeleteThis@home.anymore> wrote in message news:Xns98EFCED54BC3A1v2rt@204.153.245.131...
> pearl wrote:
>
> > "Nobody" <not.DeleteThis@home.anymore> wrote in message
> > news:Xns98EFA62456F7E1v2rt@204.153.245.131...
> >> pearl wrote:
> >>
> >> > Humans are not a naturally carnivorous species.
> >>
> >> Who told you that? Someone from PETA?
> >
> > Anatomy, physiology, biology, epidemiological and clinical
> > research..
>
> Clinical research? Whose?

'Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate
for all stages of the lifecycle, including during pregnancy, lactation,
infancy, childhood and adolescence. Appropriately planned vegetarian
diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in
the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.' These 'certain
diseases' are the killer epidemics of today - heart disease, strokes,
cancers, diabetes etc.

This is the view of the world's most prestigious health advisory body,
the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada, after a
review of world literature. It is backed up by the British Medical
Association:

'Vegetarians have lower rates of obesity, coronary heart disease,
high blood pressure, large bowel disorders, cancers and gall stones.'
....'
http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/mediareleases/050221.html

> Do you have any good reason why a
> herbiverous animal, like man as you suggest, would have incisors AND
> canine teeth?

'Most "nutritionists" assert that we have definite carnivorous leanings,
and some have even termed our incisor teeth "fangs" in defense of
their erroneous position that humans are natural meat-eaters! If you
look at the various species in the animal kingdom, each is equipped
with teeth that are ideally suited to masticate a particular type of food.
Herbivores (like the cow) have 24 molars, eight jagged incisors in the
lower jaw and a horny palate in the upper jaw. Their jaws move
vertically, laterally, forward, and backward, enabling the herbivore
to tear and grind coarse grasses. Omnivores (like the hog) may have
tusk-like canines allowing them to dig up roots. Frugivores (like the
chimpanzee) have 32 teeth: sixteen in each jaw including four incisors,
two cuspids, four bicuspids, and six molars. The cuspids are adapted
for cracking nuts, and the uniform articulation of the teeth enables the
frugivore to mash and grind fruits. On the contrary, carnivores (like
the cat family) have markedly developed canines that are long, sharp,
cylindrical, pointed, and set apart from the other teeth. Fangs and
sharp pointed teeth that penetrate and kill, that rip and tear flesh, are
a feature of all true carnivores (except certain birds). The powerful
jaws of the carnivore move only vertically, and are ideal for ripping
and tearing flesh that is swallowed virtually whole and then acted
upon by extremely potent gastric juices. Human teeth are not
designed for tearing flesh as in the lion, wolf or dog, but rather
compare closely with other fruit-eating animals. Human teeth
correspond almost identically to the chimpanzees and other frugivores.
The complete absence of spaces between human teeth characterizes
us as the archetype frugivore. The "canine" teeth of humans are short,
stout, and slightly triangular. They are less pronounced and developed
than the orangutan's, who rarely kills and eats raw flesh in its natural
environment. Human canines in no way resemble the long, round,
slender canines of the true carnivore. Human teeth are not curved
or sharp like the wolves or tigers, nor are they wide and flat like the
grass and grain-eating species. Human teeth are actually like the
fruit-eating monkeys, and the human mouth is best suited for eating
succulent fruits and vegetables. It would be extremely difficult, if
not impossible, for humans to eat raw flesh without the aid of fork
and knife. To term our incisor teeth "fangs" or even to liken them
as such is outrageous.
....'
http://www.iol.ie/~creature/BiologicalAdaptations.htm

> >> >> And how would Pearl suggest the Inuit grow cereal crops and
> >> >> vegetables? OR is global warming going to allow them to do
> >> >> that?
> >> >
> >> > These seals are not being killed for meat.
> >>
> >> While meat is not the main reason, your severe lack of research
> >> is showing.
> >
> > 'Most of the meat is wasted and left on the ice. Some if it is
> > sold to fur farms and some is ground up into animal feed. A
> > few thousand seal flippers are sold for human consumption in
> > Newfoundland. There is also a growing black market demand
> > for the seal penis bone in the Far East as some sort of voodoo
> > quack remedy for impotence.
>
> Nice try but, again, you have no source. Try here for all you ever
> wanted to know about Canada's exports http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/
>
> Mind you, these are actual FACTS and you may not be used to that.

Well, show us the data pertaining to export of seal meat then..

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:08 pm
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"Chom Noamsky" <e DeleteThis @t.me> wrote in message news:H2LIh.62343$Du6.31635@edtnps82...
> "pearl" <tea DeleteThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
> news:esvdt7$67m$2@reader01.news.esat.net...
>
> > Humans are not a naturally carnivorous species.
>
> Humans are naturally omnivores (both herbivore and carnivore). That can be
> proven by simply examining our teeth.

See my reply to Nobody.

> >> And how would Pearl suggest the Inuit grow cereal crops and
> >> vegetables? OR is global warming going to allow them to do that?
> >
> > These seals are not being killed for meat.
>
> There is still a market for seal meat but it isn't the primary market.

Again, show us data to support your claim.

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:12 pm
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"Ian MacLure" <ibm RemoveThis @svpal.org> wrote in message news:Xns98EFBF5BD43D7ibmsvpalorg@216.196.97.131...
> "pearl" <tea RemoveThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in
> news:esuujl$bu$1@reader01.news.esat.net:
>
> [snip]
>
> > No. It is the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
>
> I'm almost sure you're wrong.
>
> People Eating Tasty Animals is a real grassroots organization.
> Well maybe the grassroots have been processed through an animal
> or two....

We could even say *beneath* grassroots...

'Deaths per year (US) 6
-------------------------------------------------------
heart disease 709,894
cancer 551,833
stroke 166,028
diabetes 68,662
Chronic Liver Disease/Cirrhosis 26,219
high blood pressure 17,964
------------------------------------------------------
...
Number of Americans Living with Diet- and
Inactivity-Related Diseases
-------------------------------------------------------
Seriously Overweight/Obese9 113,360,000
High Blood Pressure9 50,000,000
Diabetes10 15,700,000
Coronary Heart Disease9 12,600,000
Osteoporosis7 10,000,000
Cancer11 8,900,000
Stroke9 4,600,000]
-------------------------------------------------------
...'
http://www.cspinet.org/nutritionpolicy/nutrition_policy.html
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:13 pm
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"Chom Noamsky" <e RemoveThis @t.me> wrote in message news:poKIh.62334$Du6.57729@edtnps82...
> "pearl" <tea RemoveThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
> news:esvh94$7h0$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> > "Chom Noamsky" <e RemoveThis @t.me> wrote in message
> > news:_IHIh.62302$Du6.38382@edtnps82...
> >> > "pearl" <tea RemoveThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
> >> > news:esvf0i$6lg$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> >
> >> > 'Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours
> >> > etc on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy
> >> > and doing something about it (learning about oneself can be
> >> > painful), and to distract and divert attention away from
> >> > themselves and their inadequacies. Projection is achieved
> >> > through blame, criticism and allegation; once you realise this,
> >> > every criticism, allegation etc that the bully makes about their
> >> > target is actually an admission or revelation about themselves.
> >>
> >> That was a great general description of PETA and its membership.
> >
> > You're still doing it..
>
> I'd have to say the role of bully is being played by PETA. It's really none
> of PETA's business (headquartered in the US) to interfere in the affairs of
> the sovereign nation of Canada. If anyone finds sealing objectionable,
> simply refrain from buying the products. If there wasn't any market for
> seal products there wouldnt be a hunt, except perhaps a cull to help
> Canada's over exploited cod fishery to recover.

The seals do not belong to you. Put your own house in order.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:15 pm
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"Nobody" <not DeleteThis @home.anymore> wrote in message news:Xns98EFCFF5C75ED1v2rt@204.153.245.131...
> Chom Noamsky wrote:
>
> > "pearl" <tea DeleteThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
> > news:esvh94$7h0$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> >> "Chom Noamsky" <e DeleteThis @t.me> wrote in message
> >> news:_IHIh.62302$Du6.38382@edtnps82...
> >>> > "pearl" <tea DeleteThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
> >>> > news:esvf0i$6lg$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> >>
> >>> > 'Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours
> >>> > etc on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy
> >>> > and doing something about it (learning about oneself can be
> >>> > painful), and to distract and divert attention away from
> >>> > themselves and their inadequacies. Projection is achieved
> >>> > through blame, criticism and allegation; once you realise
> >>> > this, every criticism, allegation etc that the bully makes
> >>> > about their target is actually an admission or revelation
> >>> > about themselves.
> >>>
> >>> That was a great general description of PETA and its membership.
> >>
> >> You're still doing it..
> >
> > I'd have to say the role of bully is being played by PETA. It's
> > really none of PETA's business (headquartered in the US) to
> > interfere in the affairs of the sovereign nation of Canada. If
> > anyone finds sealing objectionable, simply refrain from buying the
> > products. If there wasn't any market for seal products there
> > wouldnt be a hunt, except perhaps a cull to help Canada's over
> > exploited cod fishery to recover.
>
> Well said. I wonder what interest 'pearl' from the UK actually has
> in the issue. At least Karen Gordon is Canadian.

I care about the seals and the environment. Duh.
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:23 pm
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"Nobody" <not DeleteThis @home.anymore> wrote in message news:Xns98EFCD8E7DED51v2rt@204.153.245.131...
> pearl wrote:
>
> > "Nobody" <not DeleteThis @home.anymore> wrote in message
> > news:Xns98EF83A034DA21v2rt@204.153.245.131...
> >> pearl wrote:
> >>
> >> > March 9, 2007
> >> >
> >> > It's that time of year again:
> >>
> >> It sure seems to be. Are you actually Karen Gordon or just
> >> another uninformed goof like her?
> >>
> >> Do you regularly jump on a bandwagon to make yourself look
> >> foolish?
> >
> > 'Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours
> > etc on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy
> > and doing something about it (learning about oneself can be
> > painful), and to distract and divert attention away from
> > themselves and their inadequacies.
>
> Is that why you jump on bandwagons?

Why do you jump on bandwagons?

> > Projection is achieved
> > through blame, criticism and allegation; once you realise this,
> > every criticism, allegation etc that the bully makes about their
> > target is actually an admission or revelation about themselves.
>
> Nice rant but not really applicable here.

In many more ways than one.

> I HAVE done research and
> THAT is why I can honestly say what I do. YOU, on the other hand,
> recite someone else's propaganda.

Let's see your data for seal meat exports then.

> >> Never mind http://tinyurl.com/39jwcd proves my point.
> >
> > I don't see how. I'm content.. http://tinyurl.com/3bfvza .
>
> Take a look at those messages. Pretty well all of them are about
> some PETA BS.

The message I posted is possibly the second if not first time
I have actually forwarded something by PETA. What BS?
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:45 pm
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:08:35 -0000, "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie>
wrote:

>"Chom Noamsky" <e.TakeThisOut@t.me> wrote in message news:H2LIh.62343$Du6.31635@edtnps82...
>> "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
>> news:esvdt7$67m$2@reader01.news.esat.net...
>>
>> > Humans are not a naturally carnivorous species.
>>
>> Humans are naturally omnivores (both herbivore and carnivore). That can be
>> proven by simply examining our teeth.
>
>See my reply to Nobody.
>
>> >> And how would Pearl suggest the Inuit grow cereal crops and
>> >> vegetables? OR is global warming going to allow them to do that?
>> >
>> > These seals are not being killed for meat.
>>
>> There is still a market for seal meat but it isn't the primary market.
>
>Again, show us data to support your claim.

You want the menu for an outport restraunt in Newfoundland?
You have never had seal flipper soup?

You should travel to China and take a close look at the menus there.
If it walks, swims, crawls, or is breathing, it just might be a menu
item.



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(Msg. 38) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:46 pm
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:02:24 -0000, "pearl" <tea DeleteThis @signguestbook.ie>
wrote:

>"Chom Noamsky" <e DeleteThis @t.me> wrote in message news:cNKIh.62340$Du6.1198@edtnps82...
>> "pearl" <tea DeleteThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
>> news:esvdt6$67m$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>> > "Chom Noamsky" <e DeleteThis @t.me> wrote in message
>> > news:uwDIh.62113$Du6.116@edtnps82...
>> >> "pearl" <tea DeleteThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
>> >> news:esuujl$bu$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>> >> > "Chom Noamsky" <e DeleteThis @t.me> wrote in message
>> >> > news:qZCIh.62078$Du6.16459@edtnps82...
>> >> >> "pearl" <tea DeleteThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:esuqde$ue7$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>> >> >> > March 9, 2007
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It's that time of year again: The ice floes off the Canadian coast
>> >> >> > are about to turn red with the blood of the countless baby harp
>> >> >> > seals who are slaughtered for their fur.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Words cannot describe the cruelty of the annual seal "hunt,"
>> >> >> > which is really more of a massacre and will begin in just a few
>> >> >> > days. To stop this yearly atrocity, we must generate an
>> >> >> > international outcry against the Canadian government. [..]
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Sign PETA's international petition to Canadian Prime Minister
>> >> >> > Stephen Harper. Our goal is to gather signatures from more
>> >> >> > than 50,000 people
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is this People for the Eating
>> >> >
>> >> > No. It is the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
>> >>
>> >> What is unethical about the seal hunt? Heather McCartney was on Larry
>> >> King
>> >> last year trying to explain this but she started slobbering all over
>> >> herself
>> >> when she was fed the facts about the hunt by the Premiere of
>> >> Newfoundland.
>> >> It's perfectly ethical, legal, humane, moral, and sustainable to harvest
>> >> seals for fur and meat.
>> >
>> > It is none of the above.
>>
>> That certainly was a compelling argument.
>
>If there is absolute necessity (for survival), it may be justifiable.
>
>This isn't.

Could you please show some data to prove your statement.

If folks stop producing food, then what do they eat?


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(Msg. 39) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:50 pm
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:07:11 -0000, "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie>
wrote:

>'Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate
>for all stages of the lifecycle, including during pregnancy, lactation,
>infancy, childhood and adolescence. Appropriately planned vegetarian
>diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in
>the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.' These 'certain
>diseases' are the killer epidemics of today - heart disease, strokes,
>cancers, diabetes etc.
>
>This is the view of the world's most prestigious health advisory body,
>the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada, after a
>review of world literature. It is backed up by the British Medical
>Association:
>
>'Vegetarians have lower rates of obesity, coronary heart disease,
>high blood pressure, large bowel disorders, cancers and gall stones.'
>...'
>http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/mediareleases/050221.html


You should see the millions of hectares stolen from wildlife habitat
so that farmers can grow food for folks who eat cerial crops and
vegetables. All those animals that used that habitat are now shut out
and starving.
Not to mention all of the fertilizers, herbicides, and pestiticides
farmers use to maximize the crops they grow to sell to vegetarians.
All that stuff is poisoning the earth. Give me pristine wilderness,
grubbing for roots, and eating small (and large) mammals and fish that
I catch my self. I'm really into organic....


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(Msg. 40) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:52 pm
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:13:58 -0000, "pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie>
wrote:

>"Chom Noamsky" <e.RemoveThis@t.me> wrote in message news:poKIh.62334$Du6.57729@edtnps82...
>> "pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
>> news:esvh94$7h0$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>> > "Chom Noamsky" <e.RemoveThis@t.me> wrote in message
>> > news:_IHIh.62302$Du6.38382@edtnps82...
>> >> > "pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
>> >> > news:esvf0i$6lg$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>> >
>> >> > 'Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours
>> >> > etc on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy
>> >> > and doing something about it (learning about oneself can be
>> >> > painful), and to distract and divert attention away from
>> >> > themselves and their inadequacies. Projection is achieved
>> >> > through blame, criticism and allegation; once you realise this,
>> >> > every criticism, allegation etc that the bully makes about their
>> >> > target is actually an admission or revelation about themselves.
>> >>
>> >> That was a great general description of PETA and its membership.
>> >
>> > You're still doing it..
>>
>> I'd have to say the role of bully is being played by PETA. It's really none
>> of PETA's business (headquartered in the US) to interfere in the affairs of
>> the sovereign nation of Canada. If anyone finds sealing objectionable,
>> simply refrain from buying the products. If there wasn't any market for
>> seal products there wouldnt be a hunt, except perhaps a cull to help
>> Canada's over exploited cod fishery to recover.
>
>The seals do not belong to you. Put your own house in order.

Nor do the seals belong to you or any animal rights group.
The seals are there for those that need to eat them. That includes
marine predators, and non marine predators. They are part of the food
chain. You are claiming that man can not eat them but killer whales,
sharks, and polar bears can? You are claiming that these wild
predators are some how more mercifull than man?



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(Msg. 41) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:54 pm
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:15:51 -0000, "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie>
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>"Nobody" <not.DeleteThis@home.anymore> wrote in message news:Xns98EFCFF5C75ED1v2rt@204.153.245.131...
>> Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>
>> > "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
>> > news:esvh94$7h0$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>> >> "Chom Noamsky" <e.DeleteThis@t.me> wrote in message
>> >> news:_IHIh.62302$Du6.38382@edtnps82...
>> >>> > "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
>> >>> > news:esvf0i$6lg$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>> >>
>> >>> > 'Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours
>> >>> > etc on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy
>> >>> > and doing something about it (learning about oneself can be
>> >>> > painful), and to distract and divert attention away from
>> >>> > themselves and their inadequacies. Projection is achieved
>> >>> > through blame, criticism and allegation; once you realise
>> >>> > this, every criticism, allegation etc that the bully makes
>> >>> > about their target is actually an admission or revelation
>> >>> > about themselves.
>> >>>
>> >>> That was a great general description of PETA and its membership.
>> >>
>> >> You're still doing it..
>> >
>> > I'd have to say the role of bully is being played by PETA. It's
>> > really none of PETA's business (headquartered in the US) to
>> > interfere in the affairs of the sovereign nation of Canada. If
>> > anyone finds sealing objectionable, simply refrain from buying the
>> > products. If there wasn't any market for seal products there
>> > wouldnt be a hunt, except perhaps a cull to help Canada's over
>> > exploited cod fishery to recover.
>>
>> Well said. I wonder what interest 'pearl' from the UK actually has
>> in the issue. At least Karen Gordon is Canadian.
>
>I care about the seals and the environment. Duh.

You probably do care about seals and the environment.

Sadly you are a vegetarian. The demand by folks who eat ceral crops
and vegetables has decimated wildlife habitat. The energy and water
used for irrigation alone is a major environmental disaster.
Maybe you are part of the problem?



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(Msg. 42) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:59 pm
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:23:15 -0000, "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie>
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>
>> I HAVE done research and
>> THAT is why I can honestly say what I do. YOU, on the other hand,
>> recite someone else's propaganda.
>
>Let's see your data for seal meat exports then.

It isn't about seal meat exports. It is about the local folks being
able to supliment their diet with seal meat and not have to be
dependant on farmers who have destroyed wildlife habitat for their
food.
Harvesting wildlife is the least environmentally damaging way to get
food. The habitat remains, a core breeding population remains, the
habitat is unchanged, and the remaining population is genetically
selected to evade capture.
COntrast that with the slash, burn, and monoculture methods of
vegetable farming. The pesticides, the herbicides, the fertilizer.

ANd don't pull this "organic farming" BS. If pesticides, herbicides,
and fertilzers were not used there would be enough crop failures
coupled with reduced crop production to make sure that vegitables were
a scarce commodity. Organic farms only exist because their neighbors
are NOT organic farmers and there is a pesticide and herbicide barrier
around most organic farms.


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(Msg. 43) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:00 pm
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:36:49 -0400, William Holt <billholt5.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Ian MacLure ibm.TakeThisOut@svpal.org said:
>> How dare you try to impose your cultural values on
>> Kanuckistan. The al-Qanadians have the same right to
>> their practices that any third world yahoo has.
>>
>Spoken like another slobbering Bush worshipper from Moronica where most
>Americans die of heart attacks before they turn 60 and the average 11-year-old
>tips the scales at 250 Lbs and murdering their fellow Moronicans with hand guns
>is a popular blood sport.

Sounds like Toronto....


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(Msg. 44) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:06 pm
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>> >> >> > March 9, 2007
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It's that time of year again: The ice floes off the Canadian
>> >> >> > coast
>> >> >> > are about to turn red with the blood of the countless baby harp
>> >> >> > seals who are slaughtered for their fur.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Words cannot describe the cruelty of the annual seal "hunt,"
>> >> >> > which is really more of a massacre and will begin in just a few
>> >> >> > days. To stop this yearly atrocity, we must generate an
>> >> >> > international outcry against the Canadian government. [..]
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Sign PETA's international petition to Canadian Prime Minister
>> >> >> > Stephen Harper. Our goal is to gather signatures from more
>> >> >> > than 50,000 people
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is this People for the Eating
>> >> >
>> >> > No. It is the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
>> >>
>> >> What is unethical about the seal hunt? Heather McCartney was on Larry
>> >> King
>> >> last year trying to explain this but she started slobbering all over
>> >> herself
>> >> when she was fed the facts about the hunt by the Premiere of
>> >> Newfoundland.
>> >> It's perfectly ethical, legal, humane, moral, and sustainable to
>> >> harvest
>> >> seals for fur and meat.
>> >
>> > It is none of the above.
>>
>> That certainly was a compelling argument.
>
> If there is absolute necessity (for survival), it may be justifiable.
>
> This isn't.

And who bestowed upon you the authority to determine what is justified and
what is not? Well, nobody has, so what you define as necessity is purely an
"opinion."

>> >> > A colleague asks: "If children weren't meant to be eaten,
>> >> > then why are they made out of meat?" Answer please..
>> >>
>> >> Why aren't children meant to be eaten? Ovo vegetarians eat chicken
>> >> embryos,
>> >> do they not?
>> >
>> > No. Unfertilized eggs are not embryos. Even fertilized eggs from
>> > chickens running free with roosters will not develop into embryos
>> > until there's a worthwhile clutch and incubated by a broody hen.
>>
>> No, they are not embryos until fertilized and incubated,
>
> What I said.
>
>> but the purpose of
>> an egg is animal reproduction. Whether an embryo or not, consuming an
>> egg
>> is eating something intended by nature to be a baby chicken.
>
> Yes. But it isn't.

It's still an animal product. If the animal ethicists don't want to be seen
as hypocrites they should be consistent in their beliefs against animal
exploitation.

>> >> We humans don't eat our own children though, most species do
>> >> not because infanticide is not a great way to propagate your own
>> >> species.
>> >> However, in certain cases of overpopulation stress and Darwinian
>> >> competition
>> >> animals will cannibalize their own offspring.
>> >
>> > Yes, they are "made of meat". One small step for mankind..
>>
>> It isn't unethical to eat animals or make products from them.
>
> Except in cases of absolute necessity, it constitutes wanton violence.

Like I said above, you are not in a position of authority to define what is
necessity and your words are pure opinion. The laws of the land in Canada
make it quite legal to slaughter animals, from meat packing plants that
operate 7/24/365 to the annual slaughter of seals. That's right, as a
sovereign nation we have the power of life and death over our animal
resources, both domestic and wild, as we have from the beginning of our
history. I see that PETA also reserves the right to life and death over
animals considering it routinely practices euthanasia.

Now, there are REAL authorities that determine what constitutes animal
cruelty. The Canadian Veterinary Medical Association is one such
organization, they report that 98% of seals are slaughtered in manner
consistent with humane practices. PETA euthanizes up to 85% of the animals
it "rescues", I would hazard a guess that the administration of sodium
pentobarbital to these animals doesn't always go right and there is
suffering involved.

>> Paleontologists have long since proven (by digging up fire pits, etc)
>> that
>> ancient man were opportunistic eaters that ate both plants and animals.
>> They also know that man manufactured products and utensils from animals,
>> like clothing, weapons, personal decorations, tools, etc.
>
> 'Brown says that pushing the emergence of Homo sapiens from
> about 160,000 years ago back to about 195,000 years ago "is
> significant because the cultural aspects of humanity in most cases
> appear much later in the record - only 50,000 years ago - which
> would mean 150,000 years of Homo sapiens without cultural stuff,
> such as evidence of eating fish, of harpoons, anything to do with
> music (flutes and that sort of thing), needles, even tools. This
> stuff all comes in very late, except for stone knife blades, which
> appeared between 50,000 and 200,000 years ago, depending on
> whom you believe."
>
> Fleagle adds: "There is a huge debate in the archeological literature
> regarding the first appearance of modern aspects of behavior such
> as bone carving for religious reasons, or tools (harpoons and things),
> ornamentation (bead jewelry and such), drawn images, arrowheads.
> They only appear as a coherent package about 50,000 years ago,
> and the first modern humans that left Africa between 50,000 and
> 40,000 years ago seem to have had the full set. As modern human
> anatomy is documented at earlier and earlier sites, it becomes
> evident that there was a great time gap between the appearance of
> the modern skeleton and 'modern behavior.'"

I can find scientific reports that give evidence of hominids eating flesh
and making tools as far back as 2.5 million years ago. To claim that humans
just discovered animals were useful 50,000-200,000 years ago is some very
wishful thinking:

"On present evidence hominids have been manufacturing stone tools for
the processing of animal carcasses, among other activities, for 2.5 Ma
(million years) (Semaw et al., 1997);"

http://melampus.colorado.edu/class/pdfs/LeeThorpetal03.pdf

Chemistry also shows early hominids were omnivores based on the levels of
strontium/calcium found in fossil bone. Mammal digestion discriminates
between calcium/strontium and preferentially eliminates strontium. When the
ratios found in fossil bone are compared to various herbivorous and
carnivorous food sources, the Sr/Cr profile of hominids going back millions
of years is consistent with omnivorous diets.
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:28 pm
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"pearl" <tea RemoveThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
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>> > Humans are not a naturally carnivorous species.
>>
>> Humans are naturally omnivores (both herbivore and carnivore). That can
>> be
>> proven by simply examining our teeth.
>
> See my reply to Nobody.

See my post about strontium/calcium in hominid fossil bone. It makes the
argument about teeth rather irrelevant.

>> >> And how would Pearl suggest the Inuit grow cereal crops and
>> >> vegetables? OR is global warming going to allow them to do that?
>> >
>> > These seals are not being killed for meat.
>>
>> There is still a market for seal meat but it isn't the primary market.
>
> Again, show us data to support your claim.

http://www.sealharvest.ca/html/products.html
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