BOVATEC, AVATEC animal antibiotics are not safe

"Dead Paul" <dead_paul.TakeThisOut@no.reply> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:19:21 +0000, Oz wrote:
>
>> Dead Paul <dead_paul.TakeThisOut@no.reply> writes
>>>
>>>1 in 100 people suffer with atrial fibrillation in the UK.
>>>
>>>In 60 million that's 600,000 with AF. That's an epidemic.
>>>
>>>I am convinced that it is either caused or greatly exacerbated by
>>>lasalocid or monensin or one of the other ionophores residue found in
>>>food.
>>
>> Well you are almost certainly wrong. Levels in europe should have peaked
>> and then dropped reflecting the use and cessation,
>
> there is no cessation of use in the eu.
>
>
>> whilst in the us and
>> elsewhere it should continue to rise.
>>
>> I don't think this has happened.
>
> I would think that the problem is worse in the usa.

someone ask him if he has any actual figures, evidence or similar, or
whether this is a 'truth' he has captured by pure mental effort?

Jim Webster
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Dead Paul <dead_paul.TakeThisOut@no.reply> writes
>On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:19:21 +0000, Oz wrote:
>
>> Dead Paul <dead_paul.TakeThisOut@no.reply> writes
>>>
>>>1 in 100 people suffer with atrial fibrillation in the UK.
>>>
>>>In 60 million that's 600,000 with AF. That's an epidemic.
>>>
>>>I am convinced that it is either caused or greatly exacerbated by
>>>lasalocid or monensin or one of the other ionophores residue found in
>>>food.
>>
>> Well you are almost certainly wrong. Levels in europe should have peaked
>> and then dropped reflecting the use and cessation,
>
>there is no cessation of use in the eu.

You are completely wrong (as you are with all your other statements).
NB You also completely avoided my observation that salt, too, is a
potent toxin.

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/03/1058&forma
t=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en


Council and Parliament prohibit antibiotics as growth promoters:
Commissioner Byrne welcomes adoption of Regulation on feed additives


Reference: IP/03/1058 Date: 22/07/2003

IP/03/1058

Brussels, 22 July 2003

Council and Parliament prohibit antibiotics as growth promoters:
Commissioner Byrne welcomes adoption of Regulation on feed additives

David Byrne, EU Commissioner for Health and Consumer Protection, has
welcomed the final adoption, at the Agriculture Council today, of an EU
Regulation controlling the use of additives in animal feed. The new
Regulation will strengthen the control of all types of additives in
animal feed, but in particular it completes the EU´s drive to phase out
antibiotics as growth promoters. Strengthening rules on the safety of
animal feed is one of the cornerstones of the EU's food safety strategy.
Banning the use of antibiotics as growth promoters in feed is also vital
to efforts to combat anti-microbial resistance. The Regulation will come
into force later this year, once it has been published in the EU's
Official Journal.

Commissioner David Byrne said: "This Regulation will strengthen the EU's
rules on the safety of animal feed and complete the EU ban on the use of
antibiotics as growth promoters. Both these objectives are of major
importance to the EU's food safety strategy, and indeed to wider
considerations of public health. I would like to thanks the Council and
the European Parliament for having worked so constructively with the
Commission to agree this important legislation."

Towards a total ban on antibiotic growth promoters in feed

The EU has already banned antibiotics used in human medicine from being
added to animal feed. The new Regulation completes this ban on
antibiotic growth promoters in feed by prohibiting the use of four
substances namely:

monensin sodium

salinomycin sodium

avilamycin

flavophospholipol

--
Oz
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Oz wrote:
> Dead Paul <dead_paul RemoveThis @no.reply> writes
>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:19:21 +0000, Oz wrote:
>>
>>> Dead Paul <dead_paul RemoveThis @no.reply> writes
>>>> 1 in 100 people suffer with atrial fibrillation in the UK.
>>>>
>>>> In 60 million that's 600,000 with AF. That's an epidemic.
>>>>
>>>> I am convinced that it is either caused or greatly exacerbated by
>>>> lasalocid or monensin or one of the other ionophores residue found in
>>>> food.
>>> Well you are almost certainly wrong. Levels in europe should have peaked
>>> and then dropped reflecting the use and cessation,
>> there is no cessation of use in the eu.
>
> You are completely wrong (as you are with all your other statements).
> NB You also completely avoided my observation that salt, too, is a
> potent toxin.
>
> http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/03/1058&forma
> t=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en
>
>
> Council and Parliament prohibit antibiotics as growth promoters:
> Commissioner Byrne welcomes adoption of Regulation on feed additives
>
>
> Reference: IP/03/1058 Date: 22/07/2003
>
> IP/03/1058
>
> Brussels, 22 July 2003
>
> Council and Parliament prohibit antibiotics as growth promoters:
> Commissioner Byrne welcomes adoption of Regulation on feed additives
>
> David Byrne, EU Commissioner for Health and Consumer Protection, has
> welcomed the final adoption, at the Agriculture Council today, of an EU
> Regulation controlling the use of additives in animal feed. The new
> Regulation will strengthen the control of all types of additives in
> animal feed, but in particular it completes the EU´s drive to phase out
> antibiotics as growth promoters. Strengthening rules on the safety of
> animal feed is one of the cornerstones of the EU's food safety strategy.
> Banning the use of antibiotics as growth promoters in feed is also vital
> to efforts to combat anti-microbial resistance. The Regulation will come
> into force later this year, once it has been published in the EU's
> Official Journal.
>
> Commissioner David Byrne said: "This Regulation will strengthen the EU's
> rules on the safety of animal feed and complete the EU ban on the use of
> antibiotics as growth promoters. Both these objectives are of major
> importance to the EU's food safety strategy, and indeed to wider
> considerations of public health. I would like to thanks the Council and
> the European Parliament for having worked so constructively with the
> Commission to agree this important legislation."
>
> Towards a total ban on antibiotic growth promoters in feed
>
> The EU has already banned antibiotics used in human medicine from being
> added to animal feed. The new Regulation completes this ban on
> antibiotic growth promoters in feed by prohibiting the use of four
> substances namely:
>
> monensin sodium
>
> salinomycin sodium
>
> avilamycin
>
> flavophospholipol
>

The EU have banned four antibiotic growth promoters from January 2006.
Others, including lasalocid as quoted by "Dead Paul" continue, if I read
the following correctly.

"Lasalocid is authorised as a feed additive under Council Directive
70/524/EEC for the prevention of coccidiosis in chicken and turkeys. As
feed additive the substance is given continuously to chicken from day 0
up to 16 weeks at dose rates are 75 of 125 mg/kg in feed with a
withdrawal period of 5 days and to turkeys at dose rates of 90 to 125
mg/kg up to a maximum age of 12 weeks and with a withdrawal period of 5
days. For veterinary medicine lasalocid is intended to be used in birds
for the prevention of coccidiosis caused by Eimeria spp. The intended
doses in feed are 75 to 120 mg/kg for fattening chickens, 90 to 120
mg/kg for turkeys and 90 to 120 mg/kg for pheasants, partridges
and quails."

From

EMEA/CVMP/46049/2006-FINAL - July 2006

http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/vet/mrls/4604906en.pdf

If I've read this wrong, or it's wrong has *all* ionophore use as a feed
additive in the EU stopped?
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Jean Clingfilm <romanoff.DeleteThis@papercut.com> writes
>If I've read this wrong, or it's wrong has *all* ionophore use as a feed
>additive in the EU stopped?

To ruminants (and probably pigs).

So stick to red meat.

--
Oz
This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.
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On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:20:00 +0000, Oz wrote:

> Dead Paul <dead_paul.DeleteThis@no.reply> writes
>>On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:19:21 +0000, Oz wrote:
>>
>>> Dead Paul <dead_paul.DeleteThis@no.reply> writes
>>>>
>>>>1 in 100 people suffer with atrial fibrillation in the UK.
>>>>
>>>>In 60 million that's 600,000 with AF. That's an epidemic.
>>>>
>>>>I am convinced that it is either caused or greatly exacerbated by
>>>>lasalocid or monensin or one of the other ionophores residue found in
>>>>food.
>>>
>>> Well you are almost certainly wrong. Levels in europe should have
>>> peaked and then dropped reflecting the use and cessation,
>>
>>there is no cessation of use in the eu.
>
> You are completely wrong (as you are with all your other statements). NB
> You also completely avoided my observation that salt, too, is a potent
> toxin.


You write utter crap.

Plonk!
 >> Stay informed about: BOVATEC, AVATEC animal antibiotics are not safe 

"Dead Paul" <dead_paul.TakeThisOut@no.reply> wrote in message
news:en13ie$ql$1@news.datemas.de...
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:20:00 +0000, Oz wrote:
>> You also completely avoided my observation that salt, too, is a potent
>> toxin.
>
>
> You write utter crap.
>

Not to the police who arrested and charged a couple for murder based on
feeding of salt to a child
as the murder 'weapon'
 >> Stay informed about: BOVATEC, AVATEC animal antibiotics are not safe