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Leif Erikson

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(Msg. 121) Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:32 pm
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Fuckwit David Harrison, ignorant lying pig-sodomizing
goober cracker, lied:

> On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 Leif Erikson helpfully wrote:
>
>
>>bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Leif Erikson helpfully wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Fuckwit David Harrison, ignorant dog-sodomizing cracker, lied:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 20 May 2006 22:20:12 -0700, "Dutch" <no.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Fuckwit David Harrison, ignorant dog-sodomizing cracker, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 19 May 2006 18:29:17 -0700, "Dutch" <no.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Fuckwit David Harrison, ignorant dog-sodomizing cracker, lied:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 18 May 2006 20:23:54 -0700, "Dutch" <no.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Fuckwit David Harrison, ignorant dog-sodomizing cracker, lied:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 May 2006 22:48:08 -0700, "Dutch" <no.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Fuckwit David Harrison, ignorant dog-sodomizing cracker, lied:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 14 May 2006 11:21:27 -0700, "Dutch" <no.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Salt's pig was not about animals having emotions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was intended to create the dishonest belief that livestock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>suffer from the knowledge they will be killed by humans. Duh!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It didn't work with me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That was not the point
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LOL...I mean: I can't believe that,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It's not a case of what you believe, the notion that pigs know they will
>>>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>killed does not appear in the piece
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How can someone speak for pig about something the pig could not
>>>>>>>>>have a clue about, without creating a fantasy?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When he has the pig say, "spare me thy sophistry" he is not implying that
>>>>>>>>pigs talk or know what sophistry means,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He is creating a fantasy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, he is not, get a clue. There is NO fantasy in the essay
>>>>>
>>>>> Then where did he get a pig
>>>>
>>>>He didn't "get" any pig, Fuckwit. He wrote an essay, and as a matter
>>>>of literary style, he chose to write it as an allegory.
>>>>
>>>>Salt thoroughly demolishes the idea that you are doing livestock
>>>>animals any "favor" or "good deed" or "benefit" by causing them to
>>>>live, Fuckwit. You are not doing any of that.
>>>
>>>
>>>What he does is demolish the idea that you, or the pig, can have any
>>>idea of whether you have done the aniimal a favor by causing it to
>>>live. It is "a question unamenable to discourse." It is certainly left
>>>as a possibility that you have done the animal a favor but there is no
>>>basis for any claim that you have done so and even less for the claim
>>>that you intended to do so.
>>
>>The only possibility is if the animal "pre-existed".
>>Rational people don't believe in that.
>
> [snip goober cracker Fuckwit's absurd spew, except]
>
> ""Life" is not a benefit" - Goo
> ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ


That's a true statement, Fuckwit.

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Dutch

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(Msg. 122) Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:12 pm
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<dh@.> wrote in message news:ifce8250ngi0vv2e14buva8804l53l066b@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:38:57 -0700, "Dutch" <no DeleteThis @email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><dh@.> wrote
>>> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:21:01 -0700, "Dutch" <no DeleteThis @email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><dh@.> wrote in message
>>>>news:03gb825trqh052qk26eosc9534pkad17fd@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:30:14 -0700, "Dutch" <no DeleteThis @email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><dh@.> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:vjn982pd0obm7pv8go5j6dbn2hthnjvr1q@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> "Dutch" lied:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No it's not.
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>you believe that not raising them at all denies them life
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wow, that's weak even by your standards.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the first time I've simply pointed out some of your lies
>>>>> without
>>>>> responding to them, but it may not be the last.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe the beginning of the end of your stupidity I'd say.
>>>
>>> Goo has corrected me, and we now agree that you/"aras"
>>> actually DO want to deny life to potential future animals. I'm glad he
>>> made a point of insisting that I was correct.
>>
>>The next step for you is to realize that to "deny life to potential future
>>animals" has no importance, it's nonsense.
>
> It's what they want.

Who cares? Where's the harm? What's wrong with it?

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(Msg. 123) Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:09 pm
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On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:12:32 -0700, "Dutch" <no DeleteThis @email.com> wrote:

>
><dh@.> wrote in message news:ifce8250ngi0vv2e14buva8804l53l066b@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:38:57 -0700, "Dutch" <no DeleteThis @email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><dh@.> wrote
>>>> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:21:01 -0700, "Dutch" <no DeleteThis @email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><dh@.> wrote in message
>>>>>news:03gb825trqh052qk26eosc9534pkad17fd@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:30:14 -0700, "Dutch" <no DeleteThis @email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><dh@.> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:vjn982pd0obm7pv8go5j6dbn2hthnjvr1q@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> "Dutch" lied:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No it's not.
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>you believe that not raising them at all denies them life
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wow, that's weak even by your standards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the first time I've simply pointed out some of your lies
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> responding to them, but it may not be the last.
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe the beginning of the end of your stupidity I'd say.
>>>>
>>>> Goo has corrected me, and we now agree that you/"aras"
>>>> actually DO want to deny life to potential future animals. I'm glad he
>>>> made a point of insisting that I was correct.
>>>
>>>The next step for you is to realize that to "deny life to potential future
>>>animals" has no importance, it's nonsense.
>>
>> It's what they want.
>
>Who cares?

People in favor of decent AW instead.

>Where's the harm? What's wrong with it?

It works completely against the concept of Animal Welfare.
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(Msg. 124) Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:09 pm
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<dh@.> wrote in message news:31fh82l1veg7vupnccv3hto1cvfatcjlfp@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:12:32 -0700, "Dutch" <no.DeleteThis@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><dh@.> wrote in message news:ifce8250ngi0vv2e14buva8804l53l066b@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:38:57 -0700, "Dutch" <no.DeleteThis@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><dh@.> wrote
>>>>> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:21:01 -0700, "Dutch" <no.DeleteThis@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><dh@.> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:03gb825trqh052qk26eosc9534pkad17fd@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:30:14 -0700, "Dutch" <no.DeleteThis@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>><dh@.> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:vjn982pd0obm7pv8go5j6dbn2hthnjvr1q@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> "Dutch" lied:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>No it's not.
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>you believe that not raising them at all denies them life
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Wow, that's weak even by your standards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's the first time I've simply pointed out some of your lies
>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>> responding to them, but it may not be the last.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe the beginning of the end of your stupidity I'd say.
>>>>>
>>>>> Goo has corrected me, and we now agree that you/"aras"
>>>>> actually DO want to deny life to potential future animals. I'm glad he
>>>>> made a point of insisting that I was correct.
>>>>
>>>>The next step for you is to realize that to "deny life to potential
>>>>future
>>>>animals" has no importance, it's nonsense.
>>>
>>> It's what they want.
>>
>>Who cares?
>
> People in favor of decent AW instead.

No they don't. I'm in favor of Animal Welfare, but like all sane AW
advocates I know it only applies to the animals that are born, there's
nothing in it that says animals *ought to be* born.

>>Where's the harm? What's wrong with it?
>
> It works completely against the concept of Animal Welfare.

It has nothing to do with the concept of Animal Welfare.
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(Msg. 125) Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:09 pm
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On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 a defeated (by his own stupidity) Goober
wrote as he once again slinked away from his own ineptitude:

>> [snip

How do you claim to now know, that which you previously claimed
"one simply cannot know"? How Goo???
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