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(Msg. 31) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:43 am
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"STJensen" <RecreationalPoker.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message:


> I'm just stating what I've read. I also read at BestDOG

Having looked through some of the lists, I have to say that the people who
compiled it must've been smoking the good stuff when they put together their
lists.

Golden Retrievers are only as trainable as IGs and Vizsla? Rottweilers and
AmStaffs are less trainable than Huskies and Bassets? Rottweilers and
Mastiffs shed more than Malamutes and Elkhounds respectively? Great Danes
need more exercise than Belgian Shepherds? Totally ridiculous.

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:01 am
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STJensen <RecreationalPoker RemoveThis @gmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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> diddy <none> wrote:
>> None were ditzy. None airheads. All wonderful dogs, and very
>> suitable for the character as described.
>
> How are they at being guard dogs? How they be at being left alone in
> a foreign guest room for the good part of a day and given the task of
> guarding it and not ripping it apart?
Depends on their TRAINING. I'm assuming the dog will be trained.
How light of a sleeper are
> they? Could they help guard their master as he sleeps?

You bet. They were Kings dogs in their history. They were guard dogs that
filled EXACTLY that post. No one but royalty had them, and were given as
lavish gifts to other royals. A treasured and valued dog.
How much of a
> barker are they? If they're barkers, could one be realistically
> trained to at most give off one bark?
Also depends on training. I happen to own a breed that is considered a
"barking breed"

My dogs are taught to alert silently. They come up and bump me with their
nose. Tuck, my current dog, gives one muffled "woof" and looks to me so I
can acknowledge his alert.

(They are not Great Danes) But Great Danes are not known to be of a barking
breed, and if my dogs can be trained, certainly a GD can be.

They (sleuth and dog) are
> guests in a client's house so the dog cannot be barking up a storm all
> the time.
>
>> The down size of Danes is their very short life span.
>
> This will never be an issue. Like the sleuth character, the dog will
> never age ... even though time passes around them. The dog will be
> introduced in the story as a fully grown adult dog and will remain
> that in all later stories of the series.
>
>> I love being able to walk a dog and rest my hand on their shoulder. I'm
a
>> tall person. Loved the feeling of having the dog walking WITH you, like
an
>> old friend, instead of "down there" like a dog at heel.
>
> The sleuth will be 6'3" and powerfully built. He works out at a gym
> when not on a case. Not bulky or on steroids but solid and strong.
>
> Scott
>

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:05 am
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STJensen <RecreationalPoker RemoveThis @gmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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>
> And a manly man's dog? :-)
>
> Yes, I know the Poodle doesn't have to have that silly puffy ball
> haircut, but it is viewed by a good chunk of men as a lady's dog.
>
> Scott
>
>

Well yeah. There's that. And they CAN look like Cujo if they want to. But
the image isn't normally congruous with the breed.

But in spite of their image as a Ladies dog, a Standard poodle was
orginally created as a hunting dog. A MAN'S dog. And they ARE a "REAL
DOG" contrary to their looks.

I like the Idea of the Doberman better. (But i really prefer the Great
Dane that lived forever!)
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:16 am
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STJensen <RecreationalPoker RemoveThis @gmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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I've had dobermans. None were mental giants. But they should be able to do
the job in the role you described.

I left them alone in the house for long periods of time, without damage
(after they outgrew the puppy stage.. which i would say would be true for
any dog)


> diddy <none> wrote:
>> STJensen wrote:
>> > I'm debating that at the moment and leaning to him getting the dog
>> > from a respected breeder. The reason is that I can see the sleuth be
>> > interested in and concerned about proper breeding and the elimination
>> > of genetic problems in the breed through good selective breeding.
>>
>> Good for you!
>
> Thank you. It will be a common topic of discussion for the sleuth
> with those admiring his dog.
>
>> A doberman WOULD be a good choice. They demand attention, and
>> exercise, but mental gymnastics will also do.
>
> Please explain what you mean by mental gymnastics.
Frisbee along the air strip. my dogs learn tricks.

http://www.youtube.com/diddydidnot (just in case you want a small sample of
the mental gymnastics they are capable of)
I could upload hours and hours of videos of stuff they could do.. but I'm
on dialup and the 48 second videos represented there took all night to put
there.. Discourages sharing dog potential.

>
>> Constant companionship suits them well.
>
> And being left alone for long periods of the day when there's
> something to guard in the room?
>
>> I'd also make SURE they did tracking work. Doberman's do that well
>> also. I don't know why you would leave scent work out of a detective's
>> dog
>
> It is simply the cases I am envisioning for the sleuth are those where
> the criminal isn't the type that leaves behind pieces of their
> clothing.
Doesn't have to. criminals leave behind the essence of themselves by
walking in a space. On their shoes, everything they touch, from the
gaseous vapors of digestion/combustion breathing, inhaling, exhaling,
farting (sorry), burping, skin cells (rafts). The evidence may be unseen,
but it's certainly left behind.

I TRAIN tracking dogs. That's what I DO.
>
> Scott
>
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:47 am
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STJensen wrote:

> Yes, I know the Poodle doesn't have to have that silly puffy ball
> haircut, but it is viewed by a good chunk of men as a lady's dog.

If your sleuth is a manly man (whatever the hell that is), he won't
care about other people's silly misperceptions. Besides, those
silly misperceptions could work to his advantage.

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(Msg. 36) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:48 am
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STJensen <RecreationalPoker RemoveThis @gmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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> montana wildhack <mont... RemoveThis @wildhack.com.invalid> wrote:
>> "Suja" <spana... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> said:
>> > you may want to add Rottweilers to your list.
>>
>> Absolutely. People are intimidated by Dobes and Rotties. Their
>> reputation precedes them, so there's no surprise element there.
>> Ditto GSDs.

German Shepherd Dogs NOT GREAT DANES. The S makes it an entirely different
breed.


> From people I've polled, Rotties have too vicious of a reputation for
> my story needs. I need people to fear the dog but not soil
> themselves.
>
> And what does the "S" stand for in "GSD"? I'm assuming the GD stands
> for Great Dane, correct?
>
>> Akitas are also on the list of aloof, one person, protective dogs AND
>> they have a really interesting history in the US.
>
> Anyone care to be an advocate for this dog over all the rest? If so,
> I'd like to hear it.
No thanks. As an owner of a double coated breed, I think it would be a bad
idea to travel with one and try to get anything else dog besides cleaning
up the mess.

But this sure has been a fun thread
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:49 am
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:56 am
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STJensen <RecreationalPoker RemoveThis @gmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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> Thanks for the information. When I was [do note the past tense]
> thinking of having the dog be an Irish Setter, I was going to have it
> a female and named Lucy after the Lucille Ball, a famous redhead.
>

Lucy would be a super name for an Irish Setter, Silly, bubble headed,
beautiful,
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:57 am
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:07 am
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STJensen <RecreationalPoker.DeleteThis@gmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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> diddy <none> wrote:
>> STJensen <RecreationalPo....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > And a manly man's dog? :-)
>>
>> > Yes, I know the Poodle doesn't have to have that silly puffy ball
>> > haircut, but it is viewed by a good chunk of men as a lady's dog.
>>
>> Well yeah. There's that. And they CAN look like Cujo if they want to.
>> But the image isn't normally congruous with the breed.
>
> And people's mental images of the dog breed is one I have to work
> with. I could have a Dobie be pure white in my story but I know
> people will keep thinking it is black because they've never seen a
> white Dobie. As a writer, I can only alter people's perceptions so
> far.
>
If you are interested in HEALTHY dogs, your sleuth would NOT get a white
dobie either because of the health linked genetic risks involved.
Nor would he choose a blue one, or other of the "RARE" colors.
They are RARE for a reason, because the parent club with vastly more
experience wants them to be, and wrote them out of their acceptable colors
and placed them as a disqualification in the breed.

A white doberman, a white GSD a white Boxer, etc, would not fit in your
standard as a person conscientiously seeking out responsible genetics.>
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:09 am
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:10 am
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The yahoo group DogRead has a monthly contest, based on the book of the
month. When Carol Lea Benjamin's "The Hard Way" mystery was the book,
they asked this question:


> If you were writing a mystery story that used a canine, what breed
> would you use and how would you portray it so that it would not
> become the "breed of the hour" the way popular films such as 101
> Dalmations have suffered through popularity pangs?

This was my answer:

OK - my first shot at this! I would have the dog be a small lab bitch
who had
been trained as a drug dog, and no longer needed or had some small flaw,
where
she wasn't a prime choice for the police force. I don't know, maybe they
wanted
more dual purpose dogs or such. Small being a factor in getting into
spaces she
must investigate. Lab for the ease of trust from the public, willingness
to
retrieve and get wet. Dog with a real skill and retired drug dogs are
placed in
homes all of the time. And throw in that it would be a "rescue" dog of
some
sort, and you've got a whole package, and one that if it encourages the
public
at all, it would be to get a "second hand dog".>>


FWIW - I won the contest that month!

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(Msg. 43) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:14 am
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:18 am
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:18 am
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montana wildhack <montana.TakeThisOut@wildhack.com.invalid> spoke these words of wisdom
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> On 2008-02-05 11:22:12 -0500, "Suja" <spanaval.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> said:
>
>> you may want to add
>> Rottweilers to your list.
>
> Absolutely. People are intimidated by Dobes and Rotties. Their
> reputation precedes them, so there's no surprise element there. Ditto
> GSDs.
>
> Akitas are also on the list of aloof, one person, protective dogs AND
> they have a really interesting history in the US.
>
>

But they also are a dog one should not ever expect to be in contact with
other dogs. Dog/dog aggression is written in their STANDARD.
Temperament
Alert and responsive, dignified and courageous. Aggressive toward other
dogs.
And I can't imagine the shedding factor of an Akita to be acceptable
anywhere he wanted to take them. The double coat thing should be an
automatic disqualification.

Tuck and Danny I took everywhere. Through a LOT of conscientious
maintenence, always a dirt devil vacuum in the suit case, lots of grooming
supplies, and lots and lots of rolls of masking tape. Not exactly the kind
of stuff this sleuth has time to be doing, or he would never be getting his
work done. Actually, if he did a lot of his thinking while doing menial
tasks like keeping his dog presentable, perhaps we wouldn't have so many
dogs in Elkhound Rescue! Hmmm

Maybe I should write some stories myself. And scenting would definitely be
a part of the equation!
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