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Since: Apr 05, 2007 Posts: 906
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(Msg. 31) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:25 pm
Post subject: Re: over protective dog [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: rec>pets>dogs>behavior (more info?)
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"Peter" <pd_hendrickson RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message:
> I've stated that in another post.
You have *said* that you don't consider yourself to be a BYB or an unethical
breeder. The level of knowledge you have demonstrated, along with the
reticence in providing even the most basic of information that has been
asked of you (by multiple people, and nicely too, I may add) tells me that
you haven't done anything to set yourself apart in that department.
> Good advice, thanks. My pups will not be for sale.
The largest maiden litter for Dane that I know of is 17 pups. You actually
can place that many? Offer breeder support for the lifetime of the pups?
Take back any pups at any point in their lives, if the original owner can't
keep them, so you won't contribute to the shelter population?
> They are 2 different issues.
Not really. Conformation has to do with the structure of the dog.
Structure affects biomechanics. Poor structure can lead to poor
biomechanics, and manifest itself in any number of bone/joint abnormalities.
There *is* a reason responsible breeders put so much effort into evaluating
the structure of the dogs they're planning on breeding, and making sure that
the dogs compliment each other, conformationally.
> Already answered.
Not really. Going 'Well DUH!', being evasive about the health testing of
the sire and dam, and then demonstrating tenuous grasp on canine genetics is
not a good way to do it.
> I could, but I suspect that would simply generate another round of "oh
yea,
> PROVE IT!!!"
> I do not repond submissively to such behavior.
As I have said multiple times now, you don't need to do anything more than
provide the registered name of your dog and the sire. The rest, we can do.
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Since: Jan 30, 2008 Posts: 94
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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Holy Smokes! some of you people really are holier than thou! I neither need
nor desire your approval, I simply asked for a little advice. Your arogance
reflects poorly on you. Based soley on your posts, an admittedly "woefully
uninformed" source of information, I must conclude that you are of very poor
temprement and probably shouldn't breed. I recommend you get yourself fixed
as soon as possible.
Peter
"Shelly" <shelly.RemoveThis@cat-sidh.net> wrote in message
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> Judy wrote:
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>> He can't share what he doesn't know and hasn't bothered to learn.
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> I know that, and you know that. Ahem.
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>> I admit I'm making an assumption there but in my experience if he's
>> relying on his vet - who owns the stud - to advise him on what tests
>> should be done, he's woefully uninformed.
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> I think that's pretty much guaranteed.
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>> Diddy listed - in another thread - the tests that the parent club says
>> are necessary.
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> I just saw that. Good for them!
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>> Just a simple statement that they have been done would go a long way to
>> convincing me that he has a single clue that breeding requires something
>> more than working dog parts and the absence of any identified present
>> disease.
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> I, for one, am not holding my breath. I'm blue enough as it is.
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> --
> Shelly
> http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
> http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) >> Stay informed about: over protective dog |
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Since: Jan 29, 2005 Posts: 1174
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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"Peter" <pd_hendrickson DeleteThis @hotmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
news:bkHqj.3663$7d1.2112@news01.roc.ny:
> Holy Smokes! some of you people really are holier than thou! I neither
> need nor desire your approval, I simply asked for a little advice. Your
> arogance reflects poorly on you. Based soley on your posts, an
> admittedly "woefully uninformed" source of information, I must conclude
> that you are of very poor temprement and probably shouldn't breed. I
> recommend you get yourself fixed as soon as possible.
> Peter
You are right. I concur, and spayed myself early >> Stay informed about: over protective dog |
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Since: Aug 13, 2006 Posts: 1375
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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Peter wrote:
> Holy Smokes! some of you people really are holier than thou!
No, but some of us *are* smarter than you.
> I neither need nor desire your approval, I simply asked for a
> little advice. Your arogance reflects poorly on you. Based soley
> on your posts, an admittedly "woefully uninformed" source of
> information, I must conclude that you are of very poor temprement
> and probably shouldn't breed. I recommend you get yourself fixed
> as soon as possible.
I really don't need strange men to give me reproductive advice.
Also, I think you meant arrogance, solely, and temperament. HTH!
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Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) >> Stay informed about: over protective dog |
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Since: Jan 07, 2008 Posts: 90
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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"Peter" <pd_hendrickson.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bkHqj.3663$7d1.2112@news01.roc.ny...
> Holy Smokes! some of you people really are holier than thou! I neither
> need nor desire your approval, I simply asked for a little advice. Your
> arogance reflects poorly on you. Based soley on your posts, an admittedly
> "woefully uninformed" source of information, I must conclude that you are
> of very poor temprement and probably shouldn't breed. I recommend you get
> yourself fixed as soon as possible.
> Peter
LOL, ain't that the truth.
td
> "Shelly" <shelly.TakeThisOut@cat-sidh.net> wrote in message
> news:fof1e5$g13$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Judy wrote:
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>>> He can't share what he doesn't know and hasn't bothered to learn.
>>
>> I know that, and you know that. Ahem.
>>
>>> I admit I'm making an assumption there but in my experience if he's
>>> relying on his vet - who owns the stud - to advise him on what tests
>>> should be done, he's woefully uninformed.
>>
>> I think that's pretty much guaranteed.
>>
>>> Diddy listed - in another thread - the tests that the parent club says
>>> are necessary.
>>
>> I just saw that. Good for them!
>>
>>> Just a simple statement that they have been done would go a long way to
>>> convincing me that he has a single clue that breeding requires something
>>> more than working dog parts and the absence of any identified present
>>> disease.
>>
>> I, for one, am not holding my breath. I'm blue enough as it is.
>>
>> --
>> Shelly
>> http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
>> http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)
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> >> Stay informed about: over protective dog |
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Since: Aug 13, 2006 Posts: 1375
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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Since: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4140
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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In article <iuHqj.68511$Mu4.10926@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
tiny dancer <tinydancer357.RemoveThis@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>LOL, ain't that the truth.
When you make decisions based on whether or not you like the
*people* rather than on an evaluation of the *issues*, you
can find yourself supporting really slovenly breeding
practices. (And a bunch of other nonsense, thinking back)
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - shore.RemoveThis@panix.com
Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community >> Stay informed about: over protective dog |
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Since: Apr 05, 2007 Posts: 906
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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Since: Jan 07, 2008 Posts: 90
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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"Shelly" <shelly DeleteThis @cat-sidh.net> wrote in message
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> tiny dancer wrote:
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>> LOL, ain't that the truth.
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> Why am I not surprised that you'd cozy up to someone like Peter?
I am allowed to express my opinion. I've stated it here before. This is
one of the most unfriendly groups of *dog people* I have EVER come across in
my lifetime. Have you people never heard of the old 'honey vs. vinegar'
adage?
td
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> Shelly
> http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
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Since: Jan 29, 2005 Posts: 1174
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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"Suja" <spanaval DeleteThis @yahoo.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
news:610v9vF1srt4iU1@mid.individual.net:
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> "tiny dancer" <tinydancer357 DeleteThis @nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message:
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>> LOL, ain't that the truth.
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> Just what the hell is wrong with you?
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> Suja
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The way she's been treated here, I think she agrees spay/neuter
recommendations for the regular posters here is a good idea. i tend to
agree. I spayed early.
At first I thought she was agreeing that we were ignorant (Ps Peter should
schedule a vasectomy ASAP) and I was about to quit reading td forever, then
I reread, and had to agree
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Since: Jan 07, 2008 Posts: 90
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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"Suja" <spanaval.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "tiny dancer" <tinydancer357.DeleteThis@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message:
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>> LOL, ain't that the truth.
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> Just what the hell is wrong with you?
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> Suja
What is wrong with *me*? You think something is wrong with me because I
think 'jumping on people', 'being aggressive in grilling somebody as if they
were some sort of criminal', isn't really the way to go about things?
Rather than being a supportive group to new-comers, this place acts as
though it's some sort of private club that doesn't *want* any new members.
The old cronies post pictures and videos of their dogs, chat up each other,
and completely jump to conclusions on anyone who attempts to join in or even
ask for advice. The behavior of abusive members here is tolerated, usually
without challenge.
I currently have some concerns about my Gracie. Normally this should/would
be the place one would address them, but from prior experience here, I
don't. Even though I am worried and concerned, why set oneself up for more
abuse.
td
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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"tiny dancer" <tinydancer357 DeleteThis @nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message:
> I am allowed to express my opinion. I've stated it here before. This is
> one of the most unfriendly groups of *dog people* I have EVER come across
in
> my lifetime. Have you people never heard of the old 'honey vs. vinegar'
> adage?
You really think that going 'Ooh, PUPPIES!' is a positive contribution to
this thread?
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Since: Aug 13, 2006 Posts: 1375
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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tiny dancer wrote:
> I am allowed to express my opinion.
No one's stopping you.
> I've stated it here before. This is
> one of the most unfriendly groups of *dog people* I have EVER come across in
> my lifetime. Have you people never heard of the old 'honey vs. vinegar'
> adage?
So you are allowed to express your opinion, but I'm not?
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Since: Aug 13, 2006 Posts: 1375
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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diddy wrote:
> The way she's been treated here, I think she agrees spay/neuter
> recommendations for the regular posters here is a good idea. i tend to
> agree. I spayed early.
As someone who pretends to care about women's autonomy, TD ought to
know better than to make or support those sorts of comments. It's foul.
> At first I thought she was agreeing that we were ignorant (Ps Peter should
> schedule a vasectomy ASAP) and I was about to quit reading td forever, then
> I reread, and had to agree
If you are correct, I think that's as good an illustration for the
importance of quote trimming as any I've encountered.
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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"diddy" <none> wrote in message:
> The way she's been treated here, I think she agrees spay/neuter
> recommendations for the regular posters here is a good idea. i tend to
> agree. I spayed early.
Based on what I think she has said about her beliefs about personal choice
and personal freedom, it is a *very* odd comment for her to be agreeing with
a man on someone else's reproductive freedom.
> At first I thought she was agreeing that we were ignorant (Ps Peter
should
> schedule a vasectomy ASAP) and I was about to quit reading td forever,
then
> I reread, and had to agree
I still haven't figured out when quote trimming became such a chore.
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