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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:35 pm
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"Bekki" <lilninotchka DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 19, 11:26 am, Shelly <scouvre... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Bekki <lilninotc... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote
innews:1190152753.944195.167550@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > > However, in the name of helping out - The American Pitbull Terrier
> > > is ever so slightly smaller than or the same as (the breed has a
> > > wide acceptable size range) the American Staffordshire Terrier.
> >
> > Considering that they registered as the same breed in some
> > registeries, that will be a surprise to many Pit and AmStaff owners.
> > But, yes, there is a huge range in size, from 25-30 lbs up to
> > gigantors of 100+ lbs.
> >
> > --
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> Anybody who has researched the breed they own should not be surprised
> to learn that generally, the APBT is considered a slightly shorter,
> more muscular dog than the AMSTAFF. While some consider them one and
> the same breed, some do not. I am not argueing that here as
> apparently, the author of the thread considers them different by
> listing them separately. Specifically, the UKC believes them to be the
> same and the AKC believes them to be different and those are just the
> major registries in this country. The AKC accepted size range for the
> AMSTAFF is not as wide as the UKC accepted range for the APBT. The AKC
> does not recognize the APBT at all and will not register a dog as an
> AMSTAFF if it is registered with the UKC as an APBT. The UKC will
> register an AKC registered AMSTAFF as an APBT.
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Why won't the AKC recognize the APBT?
So the UKC does not recognize that there is a breed called AMSTAFF?

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:39 pm
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On Sep 19, 5:52 pm, Shelly <scouvre....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bekki <lilninotc....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1190237133.407459.254760@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Anybody who has researched the breed they own should not be
> > surprised to learn that generally, the APBT is considered a
> > slightly shorter, more muscular dog than the AMSTAFF.
>
> Okaythen! The breed I own is not either of those, but yes, it *does*
> surprise me, as in my universe, that's just not true. Furthermore, I
> know long-term owners of both breeds who would be hard pressed to
> correctly identify whether an unknown bully was an AmStaff or Pit
> Bull.
>
> --
> Shellyhttp://www.cat-sidh.net(the Mother Ship)http://esther.cat-sidh.net(Letters to Esther)

I know long term owners of both breeds who cannot tell the difference
between either one and a black Lab. Most people, including many
veterinarians, cannot correctly identify either breed nor
differentiate them from many other breeds or dogs of mixed heritage. I
cannot help that people are ignorant of what a certain breed should
look like and I wasn't speaking of your universe, I was speaking of
United States registries for dogs.

To answer another's question - No, the UKC does not recognize the
American Stafforshire Terrier as such. They call them American Pit
Bull Terriers instead and believe they are one and the same breed.
They will quite happily register any AKC registered AMSTAFF as an
APBT.

I also concur that the oversized dogs that are being called APBT are
actually not pure bred anything. At some point, or more likely at many
points, the breed was muddied (mixed) too much. The standard used by
the UKC is far too wide and encompassing in my opinion to reflect an
actual pure breed. This is also the stance of the AKC and is why they
do not recognize the APBT as a breed.

I do believe that the APBT and the AMSTAFF are different breeds
though. The AMSTAFF is an offshoot of the original ABPT and was bred
for show mostly. It became a slightly more streamlined and taller dog
and that is the standard the AKC uses for it. There are also several
other closely related breeds like the Staffordshire Terrier,
Staffordshire Bull Terrier, etc.

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:23 pm
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"pfoley" <pfoley6 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Who is who?

It was a serious question. Who is the "they" you are referring to?

> Kathleen said they were the same breed

No, that's not what she said, and you have misunderstood her meaning
in the context of this discussion.

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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:23 pm
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"Shelly" <scouvrette.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "pfoley" <pfoley6.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>
>
> > Who is who?
>
> It was a serious question. Who is the "they" you are referring to?
>
> > Kathleen said they were the same breed
>
> No, that's not what she said, and you have misunderstood her meaning
> in the context of this discussion.
>
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Again, here is Kathleen's quote:
"Spamfree! wrote:

> Norfolk Terrier
> Norwich Terrier

It's my understanding that this is basically one breed with different ears.

I'd list it as Norwich/Norfolk Terriers. Or vice versa"

I said no, they are two different breeds. You are having a bad day today.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:26 pm
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"pfoley" <pfoley6 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
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> It's my understanding that this is basically one breed with
> different ears.

Note the word "basically."

The same sort of discussion comes up regarding Pit Bulls and
AmStaffs. They are "basically" the same breed, even though they are
sometimes registered together, sometimes separately, and sometimes
not at all, depending on the registry.

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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:26 pm
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"Shelly" <scouvrette DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "pfoley" <pfoley6 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
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>
> > It's my understanding that this is basically one breed with
> > different ears.
>
> Note the word "basically."
>
> The same sort of discussion comes up regarding Pit Bulls and
> AmStaffs. They are "basically" the same breed, even though they are
> sometimes registered together, sometimes separately, and sometimes
> not at all, depending on the registry.
>
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Well she was incorrect and so weren't you. When you reply to my quotes,
please include the whole quote; I don't like your editing jobs.
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:28 pm
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elegy <elegy.TakeThisOut@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in
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> i want a little one!!!

There's a pretty small Pit girl in the next court. She's a nice dog,
and just as cute as can be.

> mine range from 45-55. pretty average. i have a hard time
> believing a pit bull over 80 pounds is truly a pit bull, unless
> it's grotequely obese.

Well, that's the question. I suspect that the behemoths are mixed
with a little something else.

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(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:48 pm
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"pfoley" <pfoley6.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Well she was incorrect and so weren't you.

You are speaking in tongues.

> When you reply to my quotes, please include the whole quote; I
> don't like your editing jobs.

Tough.

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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:56 pm
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"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletethis.RemoveThis@charter.net> wrote in message
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pfoley:
Well she was incorrect

Kathleen:
No, I wasn't. Go back and read again. If you could pop the ears off of a
Norwich and a Norfolk and swap them around like Lego parts, most owners,
breeders and judges of the two breeds will admit to being hard pressed to
tell the two apart.

Pay attention to what you're doing. Speaking for myself I'm right on the
edge of kill filing you because, while you do sometimes make valid
comments, they usually aren't worth the forensic reading it takes to sort
them out due to your careless posting habits.
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pfoley:
Now you're all bent out of shape, because you made a mistake, and please
feel free to killfile me, but first read the two articles below:
They are two different breeds.
Here is one article:

What is the difference between the Norfolk and Norwich Terrier?

Norwich Terriers, including the drop-ear variety later called Norfolk
Terriers, were officially recognized as a breed in 1932 by Great Britain's
United Kennel Club.

The breed was later split into two separate breeds first in Great Britain
in 1964 and later by the American and Canadian Kennel Clubs in 1979. The
splitting of the breeds was done to recognize that they were perhaps always
two distinct breeds, the original error was classifying them as one.

The differences between Norfolk and Norwich Terriers are numerous.

Many breeders who breed one or the other will tell you they are the same but
those that breed both will tell you they are positively not the same dogs.

The most obvious physical difference is the ear set:
Norwich have prick ears and Norfolk have drop ears. Erect ears and keen
eyes give the Norwich a more "foxy" expression than the softer look of the
folded ear Norfolk.

The outline or silhouette of the breeds finds the both the Norfolk and
Norwich to moderate proportioned, compact, short backed dogs with good
substance and bone.

Norwich tend to appear slightly heavier for their size, and appear more
short backed than the Norfolk due to their shorter back coupling and more
moderate angulation front and rear.

Norfolk also seem to have slightly larger feet than Norwich. Norwich coats
are generally a harder wire than the Norfolk's.

Some say Norwich tales quiver and Norfolk tales wag. Norfolks have a high
pitched bark whereas Norwichs' bark are much lower.

Norwich are difficult to breed, many of which are now routinely cesarean
section births.

The Norfolk continue to be predominantly free whelpers. Temperament wise,

Norfolk are more prey driven, independent and have focused concentration to
the point that some actually watch TV.

Norwich are more settled in different surroundings. Norwich prefer the
company of humans over other dogs.

What differentiates Norfolk and Norwich Terriers from the remainder of the
Terrier Group, aside from their physical appearance of being the smallest of
the Terriers, is their loyalty and keen affection for humans as well as
their non aggressive nature.
That said, they are barn dogs. They are fearless hunters of vermin, true to
their Terrier nature. Any small animals up to the same size as themselves,
a Norwich or Norfolk would be willing, if not keen, to chase and even kill
given the opportunity. Neither are particularly yappy dogs though they will
warn of a stranger approaching. Neither are they preoccupied with digging,
like many other Terriers, though like any other dog, if left unattended too
long they may get themselves in to trouble

Second article:

"In England at the turn of the century, working terriers from stables in
Cambridge, Market Harborough, and Norwich, were used by Frank "Roughrider"
Jones to develop a breed recognized by the English Kennel Club in 1932 as
the Norwich Terrier. In the early days there was a diversity in type, size,
color, coat, and ear carriage. Correct color and ear carriage were
constantly argued. When the Norwich breed standard was drawn up the drop ear
and the prick ear terriers remained one breed. The English Kennel Club, in
1964, recognized them as two breeds-the drop ear variety as the Norfolk and
the prick ear as the Norwich.

In the United States those who remember the "Roaring Twenties" still refer
to the Norwich as a "Jones Terrier" after Frank Jones, from whom many
American sportsmen traveling abroad bought their first little red terriers.
In 1936, thanks to the efforts of Gordon Massey (who registered the first
Norwich Terrier in this country) and Henry Bixby, then Executive Vice
President of the American Kennel Club, the Norwich Terrier was accepted as a
breed by the AKC. It remained one breed until 1979 when division by ear
carriage became official. The drop ears are now recognized as the Norfolk,
while the prick ears remain Norwich.

Visually there appears to be a distinct difference between the two breeds,
resulting in two slightly different breed standards. Each breed has
developed with success since separation.
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:13 pm
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:38 pm
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On Sep 19, 9:13 pm, elegy <el....DeleteThis@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:39:30 -0700, Bekki <lilninotc....DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sep 19, 5:52 pm, Shelly <scouvre....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Bekki <lilninotc....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1190237133.407459.254760@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > Anybody who has researched the breed they own should not be
> >> > surprised to learn that generally, the APBT is considered a
> >> > slightly shorter, more muscular dog than the AMSTAFF.
>
> >> Okaythen! The breed I own is not either of those, but yes, it *does*
> >> surprise me, as in my universe, that's just not true. Furthermore, I
> >> know long-term owners of both breeds who would be hard pressed to
> >> correctly identify whether an unknown bully was an AmStaff or Pit
> >> Bull.
>
> >> --
> >> Shellyhttp://www.cat-sidh.net(theMother Ship)http://esther.cat-sidh.net(Lettersto Esther)
>
> >I know long term owners of both breeds who cannot tell the difference
> >between either one and a black Lab. Most people, including many
> >veterinarians, cannot correctly identify either breed nor
> >differentiate them from many other breeds or dogs of mixed heritage. I
> >cannot help that people are ignorant of what a certain breed should
> >look like and I wasn't speaking of your universe, I was speaking of
> >United States registries for dogs.
>
> >To answer another's question - No, the UKC does not recognize the
> >American Stafforshire Terrier as such. They call them American Pit
> >Bull Terriers instead and believe they are one and the same breed.
> >They will quite happily register any AKC registered AMSTAFF as an
> >APBT.
>
> the american pit bull terrier existed as a ukc breed long before the
> amstaff came along. the akc didn't want to use the word "pit" in their
> name, and the dogs became amstaffs, but they were all apbt. i still
> think the whole thing is stupid.
>
> >I also concur that the oversized dogs that are being called APBT are
> >actually not pure bred anything. At some point, or more likely at many
> >points, the breed was muddied (mixed) too much. The standard used by
> >the UKC is far too wide and encompassing in my opinion to reflect an
> >actual pure breed. This is also the stance of the AKC and is why they
> >do not recognize the APBT as a breed.
>
> er, the ukc standard is much longer and more detailed in what is
> desired and what is considered a fault.
>
> the akc wanted to divorce itself from the history of the breed as a
> fighting breed more than it cared about the structure of the dogs.
>
> >I do believe that the APBT and the AMSTAFF are different breeds
> >though. The AMSTAFF is an offshoot of the original ABPT and was bred
> >for show mostly. It became a slightly more streamlined and taller dog
> >and that is the standard the AKC uses for it. There are also several
> >other closely related breeds like the Staffordshire Terrier,
> >Staffordshire Bull Terrier, etc.
>
> staffordshire terrier?
>
> --http://shattering.org
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> - Show quoted text -

Yes, Stafforshire Terrier - the original dog breed from England that
was ancestor to the American Staffordshire Terrier, American Pit Bull
Terrier and others. It was later officially named the Staffordshire
Bull Terrier in England although it was commonly referred to as simply
Staffordshire Terrier, among other names, prior to that. Because I was
referring to original versions of these breeds I used that name. Sorry
if I caused confusion.

UKC standards have been revised over the years as more and more dogs
were being called APBT and not conforming to standards. Having such a
varied standard is as good as no standard in my opinion.
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:51 pm
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On Sep 19, 11:53 pm, Tara <notha... RemoveThis @verizon.not> wrote:
> Shelly <scouvre... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in news:fcs5mc$79n$1
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>
>
> This is where the fact that the actual *dogs* are rarely bred to the
> *ideal* has an impact on perception.
>
> But in terms of the breed standards, the Amstaff is slightly larger then
> the APBT. Hey, I didn't write the standards, the breed clubs did. Have an
> issue with the differences, then you might take it up with them.
>
> Tara

Exactly. I could personally care less what actual dog fits what
standard but that doesn't change the standard or the fact that the
standard exists for those interested. It also doesn't change the fact
the 'backyard breeders' are a large source of non-conforming animals
and mixed breeds passed off as pure. If you don't like that fact, work
to change it. If you don't like the direction your breed of interest
has taken, work to change it. If you disagree with any club's
standards, work to change it. If you are looking for a conforming pure
breed dog, go to a reputable breeder who breeds for conformity to the
standard of your choice.

I'll just stick to my mixes. :)
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:52 pm
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Bekki <lilninotchka DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in
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> Anybody who has researched the breed they own should not be
> surprised to learn that generally, the APBT is considered a
> slightly shorter, more muscular dog than the AMSTAFF.

Okaythen! The breed I own is not either of those, but yes, it *does*
surprise me, as in my universe, that's just not true. Furthermore, I
know long-term owners of both breeds who would be hard pressed to
correctly identify whether an unknown bully was an AmStaff or Pit
Bull.

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On Sep 19, 6:54 am, "Spamfree!" <spamf... RemoveThis @123456.com> wrote:
> Hi Group
>
> Thanks for your help to date!
>
> You can be sure I've already trawled the web for suitable lists - plenty of
> lists, none by general breed 'size'!
>
> Incorporating the helpful comments received to date, laid out below is a
> revised list.
>
> Further comments welcomed! (Please!)
>
> Regards.
> ___________________________________
> Hi Group
>
> Thanks for your help to date!
>
> You can be sure I've already trawled the web for suitable lists - plenty of
> lists, none by general breed 'size'!
>
> Incorporating the helpful comments received to date (and a bit more web
> research!), laid out below is a revised list.
>
> Further comments welcomed! (Please!)
>
> Regards.
>
> ___________________________________
>
> Chihuahua
> Pomeranian
> Papillon
> Havanese
> Maltese
> Yorkshire Terrier
> Chinese Crested
> Lhasa Apso
> Maltese
> Toy Fox Terrier
> Bichon Frise
> Poodle (Toy)
> Manchester Terrier (Toy)
> Pekingese
> English Toy Spaniel
> Shih Tzu
> French Bulldog
> Dachshund (Miniature)
> Brussels Griffon
> Hungarian Puli
> Miniature Pinscher
> Silky Terrier
> Dandie Dinmont Terrier
> Manchester Terrier (Standard)
> Miniature Bull Terrier
> Australian Terrier
> Cairn Terrier
> Scottish Terrier
> Skye Terrier
> West Highland White Terrier
> Norfolk Terrier
> Norwich Terrier
> Sealyham Terrier
> Boston Terrier
> Miniature Schnauzer
> Italian Greyhound
> Welsh Corgi
> King Charles Cavalier Spaniel
> Pug
> Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen
> Poodle (Miniature)
> Dachshund (Standard)
> Jack Russell Terrier
> Parson Russell Terrier
> Border Terrier
> Lakeland Terrier
> Patterdale Terrier
> Smooth Haired Fox Terrier
> Wire Haired Fox Terrier
> Welsh Terrier
> Bedlington Terrier
> Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier
> Irish Terrier
> Beagle
> Pembroke Welsh Corgi
> Whippet
> Samoyed
> Chinese Shar-Pei
> English Cocker Spaniel
> American Cocker Spaniel
> Border Collie
> Saluki
> Bulldog
> American Eskimo Dog
> American Bulldog
> Kerry Blue Terrier
> Pharaoh Hound
> American Pit Bull Terrier
> Staffordshire Bull Terrier
> Poodle
> American Staffordshire Terrier
> Brittany Spaniel
> Keeshund
> Wire Haired Pointing Griffon
> Bull Terrier
> Norwegian Elkhound
> Basset Hound
> Irish Water Spaniel
> American Water Spaniel
> Vizsla
> Standard Schnauzer
> Sussex Spaniel
> Welsh Springer Spaniel
> English Springer Spaniel
> Clumber Spaniel
> English Foxhound
> American Foxhound
> Australian Cattle Dog
> Siberian Husky
> Shetland Sheepdog
> English Setter
> Dalmatian
> Boxer
> Alaskan Malamute
> Chow Chow
> Finnish Spitz
> German Short Haired Pointer
> German Wire Haired Pointer
> Flat Coated Retriever
> Smooth Coated Collie
> Rough Coated Collie
> Bearded Collie
> Airedale Terrier
> Pointer
> Irish Setter
> Briard
> Catahoula Leopard Dog
> Afghan Hound
> Golden Retriever
> Ibizan Hound
> Labrador Retriever
> Portuguese Water Dog
> Doberman Pinscher
> Greyhound
> Weimaraner
> Akita
> Borzoi
> Giant Schnauzer
> Rhodesian Ridgeback
> Lurcher
> Giant Schnauzer
> Bullmastiff
> Black and Tan Coonhound
> Belgian Sheepdog
> Scottish Deerhound
> German Shepherd Dog
> Old English Sheepdog
> Rottweiler
> Great Pyrenean Mountain Dog
> Otterhound
> Bernese Mountain Dog
> Neapolitan Mastiff
> Irish Wolfhound
> Newfoundland
> Greater Swiss Mountain Dog
> Bloodhound
> Saint Bernard
> Great Dane
> Mastiff
>
> And these are the breeds which haven't yet migrated into the main list:
>
> Affenpinscher
> Anatolian Shepherd
> Australian Shepherd
> Belgian Malinois
> Belgian Tervuren
> Bouvier Des Flandres
> Brittany
> Canaan Dog
> Cane Corso
> Chesapeake Bay Retriever
> Coton de Tulear
> Cesky Terrier
> Harrier
> Japanese Chin
> Komondor
> Kuvasz
> Lowchen
> Schipperke
> Shiba Inu
> Shiloh Shepherd
> Tibetan Spaniel
> Tibetan Terrier
> ___________________________________

The Chow Chow probably needs to be moved up. It is about the size of
the English Springer Spaniel. Most of these still seem to be placed
without a common determiner. I think it's been asked before, but what
criteria are you actually wanting to use for this?

The Chesapeake Bay Retreiver is about the same size as the English
Setter. I once knew a Chesapeake that was the size of a small horse
though. lol (OK, maybe not really THAT big but still... He was WAY
oversized.)
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:46 pm
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elegy <elegy DeleteThis @DOGPOOPshattering.org> said in
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> staffordshire terrier?

British name for the Am Staff, IIRC.

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--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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