Meat eaters contribute to life and death

External Since: Jul 10, 2003 Posts: 869

Vioxel wrote:

> <fred RemoveThis @just.fried> wrote in message
> news:T2mbb.1104$vS.649@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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>>exploratory wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I never said that I believe everything [sic] and
>>>>everybody are ethically equivalent, nor did I write
>>>>anything to suggest I believe it. You need to learn to
>>>>read more attentively.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ok. Then what DID you say?
>>
>>Go back and read it again yourself, dummy. Read it,
>>then get back to us with the warped logic that led you
>>to believe I suggested everything [sic] and everybody
>>are ethically equivalent. This should be good for a laugh.
>>
>>
>>>I can save you and me a few posts and counter-posts if you would
>>>simply rid your vocabulary of the phrases "ethically superior/inferior"
>>>-- and specifically of saying that anyone else believes they are
>>>ethically superior/inferior --- unless, of course, someone else
>
> INITIATES
>
>>>bringing up these stupid phrases.
>>
>>Tell it to the "vegans", pally. They DO believe that
>>abstaining from consuming animal parts makes them
>>ethically superior. The "vegans" started the stupid issue.
>>
>
>
> I am vegan, and I do not consider myself morally different from the meat
> eating public. In fact, I don't consider it wrong to eat meat or other
> animal products, so long as they are ethically obtained.

Then you aren't "vegan". You might be vegetarian, and
you might even be *strictly* vegetarian, including in
your choice of clothing. But you're not "vegan" if you
don't believe that it is inherently immoral for humans
to consume animals.

>
> The tragic fact is, in the US and many other industrial nations, most meat
> and animal products are obtained through torturous factory farming. Animals
> are painfully mutilated, left to sicken and die in their own waste because
> it's cheaper than treating them, and kept in conditions that would make any
> reasonable person physically ill to witness. When it comes to treatment
> like this, the individuals and companies that create this environment are,
> without doubt, morally inferior to the rest of us, vegan and meat-eater
> alike.
>
> Summary: I'm not vegan because eating animals is wrong. I'm vegan because
> torturing animals (especially for a profit) is wrong. It's wrong when the
> animals are intended to be pets, or circus acts, or food, no matter what.
>
> Being vegan does not make one better or worse. Being a professional animal
> torturer makes one despicable.
>
>

External Since: Sep 21, 2003 Posts: 2

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> >
> >
> > I am vegan, and I do not consider myself morally different from the meat
> > eating public. In fact, I don't consider it wrong to eat meat or other
> > animal products, so long as they are ethically obtained.
>
> Then you aren't "vegan". You might be vegetarian, and
> you might even be *strictly* vegetarian, including in
> your choice of clothing. But you're not "vegan" if you
> don't believe that it is inherently immoral for humans
> to consume animals.
>

> > Being vegan does not make one better or worse. Being a professional
animal
> > torturer makes one despicable.
> >
> >

Fair enough. If "vegan" is a philisophical outlook, rather than a
dietary/consumer choice, perhaps I am not vegan. The truth of the wrongness
of torture, regardless of who or what the victim is, is the same.