No farmer gives a f..k about his animals

Mary Fisher wrote:

> "Jim Webster" <Jim.DeleteThis@zerospam.mok.net> wrote in message
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>>"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher.DeleteThis@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>>The worst smell is from traffic but you get horrid diesel exhausts on
>>
>>farms
>>
>>>too :-(
>>>
>>>Mary
>>
>>what do you think silage effluent is for :-))
>
>
> I don't mind that. It's the effluent from tractors I hate.
>
> Seriously, daughter has a registered organic farm and is proud of her
> methods. So am I, on the whole. But seeing the clouds of noxious exhaust
> from their tractors (they can't afford new ones) and, worse, the smell makes
> me wonder how that's allowed. Surely there are deposits on the 'organically
> grown' grass which is eaten by the 'organically produced' animals?
>
> It worries me. Seriously.

What, and you don't think various forms of air
pollution are deposited all over produce, organic and
conventional, as it is shipped and on display at Whole
Foods and other markets?

The smell of the tractors' emissions can't possibly be
as bad as the smell of the manure-urine mixture that
farmers regularly sprayed on pastures in Bavaria in the
mid 1980s when I lived there.
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>> <gene.TakeThisOut@pad39a.com> wrote in message
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>> >I grew up with Judy. She was the friendliest cow who would follow us
>> > around. We fed her well and she was happy to come home from roaming the
>> > pasture each morning and evening to be milked. We would have been
>> > negligant to let her get through the fence and get hit by some speeding
>> > city dweller that didn't have the sense to watch out for farm animals.
>>
>> I must say that it seemed a very sensible and novel solution to what can
> be
>> a common problem.
>>
>> Mary
>
> yep, I've seen Herwicks, and even Mules wearing them up here in Cumbria. I
> suspect most sheep farmers will have seen this sort of measure taken at
> some
> time in their farming career

On sheep! I've not seen it on any animal (the equivalent I suppose are the
bucketrs round dogs' and cats' necks) but I'll look out for it now.

Thinks - it could be the answer to daughter's persistent escapee goats ...
(de-bubbled billies, no use at all except for clearing bramble)

Mary

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> >
> >> The worst smell is from traffic but you get horrid diesel exhausts on
> > farms
> >> too :-(
> >>
> >> Mary
> >
> > what do you think silage effluent is for :-))
>
> I don't mind that. It's the effluent from tractors I hate.
>
> Seriously, daughter has a registered organic farm and is proud of her
> methods. So am I, on the whole. But seeing the clouds of noxious exhaust
> from their tractors (they can't afford new ones) and, worse, the smell
makes
> me wonder how that's allowed. Surely there are deposits on the
'organically
> grown' grass which is eaten by the 'organically produced' animals?
>
> It worries me. Seriously.
>
> Mary

The soil association has probably decided that practicality and ideology
have to compromise at some point. Otherwise, for example, you could not have
organic agriculture within a certain distance of a motorway or main road. It
may be that they have calculated the distances and decided that to bring in
limits that would ban the tractor could incidentally ban organic agriculture
from, for example, much of SE England. I'm just guessing here

Jim Webster
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"Gene" <Gene.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On 10 Apr 2005 07:55:22 -0700, gene.TakeThisOut@pad39a.com wrote:
>
> >True. Especially speeding city slickers in a 2 ton car. They go out in
> >the country and get behind some caring farmer puttering along in his
> >old pickup truck at 30 mph and they're chomping at the bit to pass and
> >zoom until they hit some unsuspecting animal. If they really care about
> >animals, they need to get rid of their cars or get some sense.
>
>
> No, the ranchers need to build better fences.

ah yes, miles and miles of barbed wire across the central lake district,
peak district and Pennines. It would be a big enviornmental boost as well
allowing better grazing management. An excellent suggestion.
Guess why it hasn't been done

Jim Webster
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"Jim Webster" <Jim.RemoveThis@zerospam.mok.net> wrote in message
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>> >>
>> >
>> >> The worst smell is from traffic but you get horrid diesel exhausts on
>> > farms
>> >> too :-(
>> >>
>> >> Mary
>> >
>> > what do you think silage effluent is for :-))
>>
>> I don't mind that. It's the effluent from tractors I hate.
>>
>> Seriously, daughter has a registered organic farm and is proud of her
>> methods. So am I, on the whole. But seeing the clouds of noxious exhaust
>> from their tractors (they can't afford new ones) and, worse, the smell
> makes
>> me wonder how that's allowed. Surely there are deposits on the
> 'organically
>> grown' grass which is eaten by the 'organically produced' animals?
>>
>> It worries me. Seriously.
>>
>> Mary
>
> The soil association has probably decided that practicality and ideology
> have to compromise at some point. Otherwise, for example, you could not
> have
> organic agriculture within a certain distance of a motorway or main road.
> It
> may be that they have calculated the distances and decided that to bring
> in
> limits that would ban the tractor could incidentally ban organic
> agriculture
> from, for example, much of SE England. I'm just guessing here

I think you're probably right. You usually are :-)

But we're advised, for instance, not to pick brambles from roadside verges
because of the deposits from exhausts.

It doesn't add up.

And why should I expect anything from FSA or DEFRA to add up ... <sigh>

Mary

Mary
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> Jim Webster
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<gene RemoveThis @pad39a.com> wrote in message news:1113143163.407017.231070@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> If I weighed 1600 pounds, it really wouldn't be much of an
> inconvenience. Have you ever seen a cow?

Of course it would. You can try it,- find a proportionately sized
pole to the one in the photo, and chain it to your neck for a while.

I live in the midst of cattle country in Ireland. I see these poor
animals all the time. Either out in all weather, usually with little
to no shelter, or packed in sheds on slats for months on end.

Watta life! What a death!
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher.TakeThisOut@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > The soil association has probably decided that practicality and ideology
> > have to compromise at some point. Otherwise, for example, you could not
> > have
> > organic agriculture within a certain distance of a motorway or main
road.
> > It
> > may be that they have calculated the distances and decided that to bring
> > in
> > limits that would ban the tractor could incidentally ban organic
> > agriculture
> > from, for example, much of SE England. I'm just guessing here
>
> I think you're probably right. You usually are :-)
>
> But we're advised, for instance, not to pick brambles from roadside verges
> because of the deposits from exhausts.

which is probably not bad advice on heavily used roads

>
> It doesn't add up.
>
> And why should I expect anything from FSA or DEFRA to add up ... <sigh>
>

an excellent question

Jim Webster
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> <gene RemoveThis @pad39a.com> wrote in message
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> > If I weighed 1600 pounds, it really wouldn't be much of an
> > inconvenience. Have you ever seen a cow?
>
> Of course it would. You can try it,- find a proportionately sized
> pole to the one in the photo, and chain it to your neck for a while.
>
> I live in the midst of cattle country in Ireland. I see these poor
> animals all the time. Either out in all weather,

how natural

Jim Webster
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> > > If I weighed 1600 pounds, it really wouldn't be much of an
> > > inconvenience. Have you ever seen a cow?
> >
> > Of course it would. You can try it,- find a proportionately sized
> > pole to the one in the photo, and chain it to your neck for a while.
> >
> > I live in the midst of cattle country in Ireland. I see these poor
> > animals all the time. Either out in all weather,
>
> how natural

Not confined to small fields with little to no natural shelter.
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>> <gene DeleteThis @pad39a.com> wrote in message
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>> > If I weighed 1600 pounds, it really wouldn't be much of an
>> > inconvenience. Have you ever seen a cow?
>>
>> Of course it would. You can try it,- find a proportionately sized
>> pole to the one in the photo, and chain it to your neck for a while.
>>
>> I live in the midst of cattle country in Ireland. I see these poor
>> animals all the time. Either out in all weather,
>
> how natural

Oh come on Jim! Surely they built shelter of sticks and stones or went into
caves or some other shelter before Man came and interfered??? Even these
days when it rains they put up their umbrellas.

Mary
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I guess I am not really a farmer - just a 100 acre lifestyle block and was
running a dozen or so cows for the pleasure of seeing them in the paddock -
but against all the advice of my neighbors I wouldn't deball the male
offspring as I elt they should enjoy a natural life - and boy oh boy did
that cause problems - fights galore between those bull when they grew, and
scary buggers to boot. Cost me a fortune to get people to catch them, and
they messed up my cattle yards a fair bit.

Sometimes it doesnt pay to be kind

David

Rudy Canoza wrote:

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> >>>
> >>>No farmers consider that the animals' "getting to
> >>>experience life" is worth even a moment's consideration.
> >>>They raise animals to make money, and that's the only
> >>>reason.
> >>
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quietguy wrote:

> I guess I am not really a farmer - just a 100 acre lifestyle block and was
> running a dozen or so cows for the pleasure

YOUR pleasure, not theirs. Nothing wrong with that at
all, in my opinion, but we need to get it out there.

> of seeing them in the paddock -
> but against all the advice of my neighbors I wouldn't deball the male
> offspring as I elt they should enjoy a natural life

You felt they should enjoy a natural life, GIVEN that
they were alive. You did not, I suspect, think that it
was better from their perspective to have existed,
rather than never exist. That's what Fuckwit thinks
you *ought* to think.

Fuckwit believes that existence _per se_ is a benefit
for farm animals, and that those dastardly "vegan", who
don't think there should be any farm animals at all,
are doing the animals some kind of disservice.

See Dean Hoffman's comments in this thread.

>- and boy oh boy did
> that cause problems - fights galore between those bull when they grew, and
> scary buggers to boot. Cost me a fortune to get people to catch them, and
> they messed up my cattle yards a fair bit.
>
> Sometimes it doesnt pay to be kind

You
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dh@. wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:20:08 GMT, Rudy Canoza <someguy.DeleteThis@ph.con> wrote:
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> >Farm1 wrote:
> >
> >> "Gene" <Gene.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> >>>"Napalm Heart" <*nospam*@iserv.net> wrote:
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> >>>>"Rudy Canoza >" <<dumbguy.DeleteThis@ph.con> wrote in message
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>No farmers consider that the animals' "getting to
> >>>>>experience life" is worth even a moment's consideration.
> >>>>>They raise animals to make money, and that's the only
> >>>>>reason.
> >>>>
> >>>>Since they are a financial asset to farmers, livestock are
well-taken
> >>>>care of.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Ayup. Long is the time I've seen farmers looking for cattle who
got
> >>>out during a snowstrom, risking life to save some animal and this
is a
> >>>*common* occurance.
> >>>
> >>> Then, there's the staying up all night, working a new born calf,
ewe
> >>>or whatever in addition to working a 12 hour (Or longer) day.
> >>>
> >>> Uh-huh, they sure don't care at all...Suuurrreeeeeee
> >>
> >>
> >> LOL.
> >>
> >> You are being mean! People who don't like animals and do not live
closely
> >> to them can never understand this concept of "care" and won't even
know what
> >> you are writing about.
> >
> >The idea of farmers caring for their animals isn't hard
> >to grasp. I have no doubt they do. They do NOT,
> >however, breed and raise livestock because they think
> >the animals "benefit" by coming into existence.
>
> Some farm animals benefit from farming

NO animals "benefit" from farming, Fuckwit.
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