Not for any farm animals' interest or "benefit"

On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:37:39 GMT, Benfez <jwalker.DeleteThis@wp.shawcable.net> wrote:

>Ray wrote:
>> "Benfez" <klbaasd.DeleteThis@bioezjqw.com> wrote in message
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>>>In whose interest is it for more farm animals to be
>>>born? Certainly not in the interest of any so-called
>>>"future farm animals": they don't exist today, and
>>>have no interests.
>>>
>>>If potential "future farm animals" never come into
>>>existence, no animal's interest has been harmed and no
>>>"benefit" has been withheld: an entity must exist in
>>>order to hold an interest and receive a benefit.
>>>
>>>Whether the sense of "benefiting" is in the mind of the
>>>beneficiary or in someone else's mind, the beneficiary
>>>MUST exist prior to the conferral of the "benefit". It
>>>is patently absurd to believe otherwise. Existence is
>>>never a benefit.
>>
>>
>> Of course it's a benefit that animals should be born, the beneficiary is the
>> farmer.
>
>Harrison pretends it's a "benefit" to the animals
>themselves.

Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't Gonad. Since you
"ARAs" can't grasp that basic fact, anything beyond it is
beyond your ability. In an undoubtedly futile attempt to
help you see how stupid your position is, I'll point out that
according to you an animal who has a good life could not
benefit from it any more than a different animal who has
a terrible life, since none of them can benefit from their lives
regardless of its quality.
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dh_ld RemoveThis @nomail.com wrote:

> On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:37:39 GMT, Benfez <jwalker RemoveThis @wp.shawcable.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Ray wrote:
>>
>>>"Benfez" <klbaasd RemoveThis @bioezjqw.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>>>In whose interest is it for more farm animals to be
>>>>born? Certainly not in the interest of any so-called
>>>>"future farm animals": they don't exist today, and
>>>>have no interests.
>>>>
>>>>If potential "future farm animals" never come into
>>>>existence, no animal's interest has been harmed and no
>>>>"benefit" has been withheld: an entity must exist in
>>>>order to hold an interest and receive a benefit.
>>>>
>>>>Whether the sense of "benefiting" is in the mind of the
>>>>beneficiary or in someone else's mind, the beneficiary
>>>>MUST exist prior to the conferral of the "benefit". It
>>>>is patently absurd to believe otherwise. Existence is
>>>>never a benefit.
>>>
>>>
>>>Of course it's a benefit that animals should be born, the beneficiary is the
>>>farmer.
>>
>>Harrison pretends it's a "benefit" to the animals
>>themselves.
>
>
> Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't

It NEVER is. "Life" - being conceived and born - is
never a benefit: it can't be.

No "benefit" is conferred on farm animals by causing
them to be conceived and born.
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Racist Ray wrote:
<...>
> If an animal is born it has a short life and certainly feels fright and pain

How do you know what animals feel and when they feel it?

<...>
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"usual suspect" <support RemoveThis @our.troops> wrote in message
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> Racist Ray wrote:
> <...>
> > If an animal is born it has a short life and certainly feels fright and
pain
>
> How do you know what animals feel and when they feel it?

Are you trying to say that an animal is incapable of feeling pain?
>
> <...>
>
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Racist Ray wrote:
>><...>
>>
>>>If an animal is born it has a short life and certainly feels fright and
> pain
>
>>How do you know what animals feel and when they feel it?
>
> Are you trying to say that an animal is incapable of feeling pain?

No, I asked you a question. Answer it.
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"Ray" <Ray@morebeerand biggerglasses.com> wrote in message news:<c7dsqt$qs1$1@hercules.btinternet.com>...
> "usual suspect" <support DeleteThis @our.troops> wrote in message
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> > Racist Ray wrote:
> > <...>
> > > If an animal is born it has a short life and certainly feels fright and
> pain
> >
> > How do you know what animals feel and when they feel it?
>
> Are you trying to say that an animal is incapable of feeling pain?

The question, numb nuts, is - HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN ANIMALS FEEL FRIGHT AND/OR PAIN?
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 18:14:22 GMT, Benfez <klbaasd.TakeThisOut@bioezjqw.com> wrote:

>In whose interest is it for more farm animals to be
>born?

Tennyson says, "Tis better to have loved and lost
than never to have loved at all."

Harrison says, "Tis better to have lived and died
than never to have lived at all."
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"ipse dixit" <f DeleteThis @chance.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 05 May 2004 18:14:22 GMT, Benfez <klbaasd DeleteThis @bioezjqw.com> wrote:
>
> >In whose interest is it for more farm animals to be
> >born?
>
> Tennyson says, "Tis better to have loved and lost
> than never to have loved at all."

When you live without love, you still live, but alone and miserable.
>
> Harrison says, "Tis better to have lived and died
> than never to have lived at all."

Salt thoroughly refutes that "logic". If there is existence before life,
there is no way to know if it is better or worse than life. If there is
nothing, then there is no entity to experience the loss.

Semantically I like the parallel with Tennyson though.
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"William J. Wolfe" <w_j_wolfe2oo3 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Ray" <Ray@morebeerand biggerglasses.com> wrote in message
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> > "usual suspect" <support RemoveThis @our.troops> wrote in message
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> > > Racist Ray wrote:
> > > <...>
> > > > If an animal is born it has a short life and certainly feels fright
and
> > pain
> > >
> > > How do you know what animals feel and when they feel it?
> >
> > Are you trying to say that an animal is incapable of feeling pain?
>
> The question, numb nuts, is - HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN ANIMALS FEEL FRIGHT
AND/OR PAIN?

That was not the question cretin. Usual Suspect, - equally as stupid as
youself asked - HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT ANIMALS FEEL AND WHEN THEY FEEL IT.

Fortunately "ipse dixit" has come to my aid and fully answered your
question. He's also provided a link for you at the bottom of the page,
that's the bit of text in blue. The idea is that you place your cursor on
the link and press the lefthand button on your mouse, this opens a new page
written by Peter Singer entitled "Do Animals Feel Pain". Read and digest.

Anything else you wish to know like - 'Why it's colder in winter' or 'Is the
Geneva Convention still valid?

Pair of pillocks.
Thanks Derek.
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Racist Ray wrote:
>>>><...>
>>>>
>>>>>If an animal is born it has a short life and certainly feels fright
> and
>>> pain
>>>
>>>>How do you know what animals feel and when they feel it?
>>>
>>>Are you trying to say that an animal is incapable of feeling pain?
>>
>>The question, numb nuts, is - HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN ANIMALS FEEL FRIGHT
> AND/OR PAIN?
>
> That was not the question cretin.

It's a very good paraphrasing of it.

> Usual Suspect, - equally as stupid as
> youself

Note the irony: as stupid as *youself*. Hahaha!

> asked - HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT ANIMALS FEEL AND WHEN THEY FEEL IT.

Which you have *still* failed to answer.

> Fortunately "ipse dixit" has come to my aid and fully answered your
> question.

Fortunately, in *your* case, because you're entirely incapable of performing
such simple tasks yourself to defend your nutty claims.

<...>
> Thanks Derek.

You're forever indebted to him, you drunken ingrate.
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usual suspect wrote:

> Racist Ray wrote:
>
>>>>> <...>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If an animal is born it has a short life and certainly feels fright
>>
>> and
>>
>>>> pain
>>>>
>>>>> How do you know what animals feel and when they feel it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you trying to say that an animal is incapable of feeling pain?
>>>
>>>
>>> The question, numb nuts, is - HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN ANIMALS FEEL FRIGHT
>>
>> AND/OR PAIN?
>>
>> That was not the question cretin.
>
>
> It's a very good paraphrasing of it.
>
>> Usual Suspect, - equally as stupid as
>> youself
>
>
> Note the irony: as stupid as *youself*. Hahaha!

Also the redundancy: "equally as".

Raymond Dump Slater is in the terminal stages of
alcohol-induced dementia.

>
>> asked - HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT ANIMALS FEEL AND WHEN THEY FEEL IT.
>
>
> Which you have *still* failed to answer.
>
>> Fortunately "ipse dixit" has come to my aid and fully answered your
>> question.
>
>
> Fortunately, in *your* case, because you're entirely incapable of
> performing such simple tasks yourself to defend your nutty claims.
>
> <...>
>
>> Thanks Derek.
>
>
> You're forever indebted to him, you drunken ingrate.
>
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ipse dixit wrote:
>>>><...>
>>>>
>>>>>If an animal is born it has a short life and certainly feels
>>>>>fright and pain
>>>>
>>>>How do you know what animals feel and when they feel it?
>>>
>>>Are you trying to say that an animal is incapable of feeling pain?
>>
>>The question, numb nuts, is - HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN ANIMALS FEEL FRIGHT AND/OR PAIN?
>
> The answer, stupid, is found by observation.
>
> Do Animals Feel Pain?

What about *fright*, Derek? Or better yet, *Raymond* since it's his nutty claim/
Go on back to your bag of crisps and let him answer for himself.

<snip of response which is at least partially evasive>
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On Fri, 7 May 2004 14:50:58 +0000 (UTC), "Ray" <camcompany RemoveThis @justdied.com> wrote:

>
>"William J. Wolfe" <w_j_wolfe2oo3 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Ray" <Ray@morebeerand biggerglasses.com> wrote in message
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>> > "usual suspect" <support RemoveThis @our.troops> wrote in message
>> > news:dEtmc.56333$hR1.17776@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>> > > Racist Ray wrote:
>> > > <...>
>> > > > If an animal is born it has a short life and certainly feels fright
>and
>> > pain
>> > >
>> > > How do you know what animals feel and when they feel it?
>> >
>> > Are you trying to say that an animal is incapable of feeling pain?
>>
>> The question, numb nuts, is - HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN ANIMALS FEEL FRIGHT
>AND/OR PAIN?
>
>That was not the question cretin. Usual Suspect, - equally as stupid as
>youself asked - HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT ANIMALS FEEL AND WHEN THEY FEEL IT.
>
>Fortunately "ipse dixit" has come to my aid and fully answered your
>question. He's also provided a link for you at the bottom of the page,
>that's the bit of text in blue. The idea is that you place your cursor on
>the link and press the lefthand button on your mouse, this opens a new page
>written by Peter Singer entitled "Do Animals Feel Pain". Read and digest.
>
>Anything else you wish to know like - 'Why it's colder in winter' or 'Is the
>Geneva Convention still valid?
>
>Pair of pillocks.
>Thanks Derek.
>
My main concern was that you might've thought I was
butting my nose in here where it was obvious you could've
easily found and presented that page yourself. Blame my
youthful enthusiasm if you want, or just my youth.
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