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In article <5vp3c3F1nbdh3U1 DeleteThis @mid.individual.net>,
Suja <spanaval DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>Get thee a Dremel.

I got a Dremel specifically to do dog nails. It hasn't
worked out all that well for it; it takes a long time and
the dogs don't like the smell. On the other hand it's
turned out to be one of the most totally handy things ever
created. I use it all the time, just not on the dogs.

Unless you've got a maniac I think it's better to just
improve your dog-feet-handling skills and get the trimming
over quickly.
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On 23 Jan 2008 14:48:41 GMT, ceb <ceb4v.DeleteThis@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:

>sighthounds & siberians <x.DeleteThis@ncweb.com> wrote in
>news:5i9dp3p61u2uqj6amlgc5joirhpff43q3a@4ax.com:
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>> A couple of months ago I got Stan's quick, and surprisingly
>> he whipped his head around to snap, but I think we're both past that
>> experience now.
>>
>
>This is one bad thing about having black dogs -- black nails. I have
>quicked Zoe twice and now she's terrified and so am I. I prefer
>professionals and she needs to be muzzled during it (but she's
>compliant).

Yep, it was a black nail. Stan has all black nails in front and a
mixture in back, Gene has a mixture front and back, and Music has all
black. The white nails do make a nice landmark. Unfortunately, with
the exception of Music, those of my dogs that really fear nail
trimming would fear a trip to the vet's even more. If I can't tell
where the quick is, I just trim every couple of weeks to get the nails
shorter.

Mustang Sally
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:47:16 -0500, elegy
<elegy RemoveThis @DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:


>i am so so conservative when i do mushroom's nails. he's got those
>horrible thick black nails of doom, which he grows like weeds. i could
>probably take off more than i do, but i don't want to quick him
>because i'm afraid if i hurt him, it'll undo everything i've done with
>him. i don't know if that's true or not. i hope to not find out.

It might be, if he was really fearful of nail trimming before. I do
the same thing with those huge mombo black nails, just take a little
off and maybe trim more frequently. All of a sudden Stan and Gene's
nails seem to be growing faster than previously, which is not a happy
thing.

>i lost patience with one owner once over nail trimming. the dog was
>absolutely horrendous (lab mix), it took four people to cut the
>freaking dog's toenails, i got thrown backwards into the heater and
>cut my back, and thus i was shorter with her than i should have been
>when i explained that she really REALLY needs to start working with
>that dog about his toenails. ugh.

It's absolutely ridiculous for people to be injured while attempting
to trim a dog's nails. Especially when multiple people are involved.

>yeah, but we still don't usually have such a high percentage of dogs
>who are absolute idiots about it. take 'em away from mommy, put 'em on
>a table, and they' know they're in your territory and aren't quite
>sure what to make of things. many of them are fine with minimal
>restraint and lots of pets.

Music once embarassed me when I had his nails trimmed while he was
under the influence of valium to donate blood. My previous nail trim
attempt had not gone well, and I thought this would be a perfect
opportunity to get the nails done with no trauma to him. I told the
tech what a wild man he'd been, and of course he laid on the table
without moving a muscle or batting an eye when she trimmed his nails.
I like to think it was the valium, and maybe it was, because although
I certainly don't like to traumatize my dogs, I really don't baby
them. There have been times, though, that I was pretty concerned
about quicking them, and they probably picked up on that. I hadn't
thought of the get-dog-away-from-overprotective-owner factor in nail
trimming, though, and I'm sure it's a big one for some dogs. I won't
go to a vet who doesn't allow owners to be present in exam rooms, and
the rooms at our vet's are large enough that blood draws are done
there - just about everything is except surgery and procedures such as
cystocentesis, unless the animal is going to be hospitalized - and
with a couple of our really fearful dogs, we've donned protective gear
and helped during x-rays. So it's strange to think of owners who make
their dogs more stressed instead of less stressed, but they're
obviously out there.

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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:10:39 -0500, "Suja" <spanaval.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"ceb" <ceb4v.DeleteThis@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message:
>
>> This is one bad thing about having black dogs -- black nails. I have
>> quicked Zoe twice and now she's terrified and so am I. I prefer
>> professionals and she needs to be muzzled during it (but she's
>> compliant).
>
>Get thee a Dremel. Both my dogs have mostly white nails (some are half and
>half, and Khan has a couple of all black nails), but with Pan's quick being
>so close to the tip, I used to dread trimming her nails, until I got the
>grinder. Now, I use the trimmer to take a teeny tiny slice out (more to
>keep her acclimated to the thing than anything else), and then grind.
>Khan's, I trim with the clippers first and then grind smooth with the
>Dremel. In general, his toenails grow nicer than Pan's. I know it's a
>weird thing to say, but his nails hug the curvature of the paw pad while
>her's sticks straight out, like talons.

This is another case where all dogs are individuals, though. Some of
my dogs would be far more stressed by a Dremel than they are by a
clipper.

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On 23 Jan 2008 10:23:18 -0500, shore.RemoveThis@panix.com (Melinda Shore) wrote:

>In article <5vp3c3F1nbdh3U1.RemoveThis@mid.individual.net>,
>Suja <spanaval.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Get thee a Dremel.
>
>I got a Dremel specifically to do dog nails. It hasn't
>worked out all that well for it; it takes a long time and
>the dogs don't like the smell. On the other hand it's
>turned out to be one of the most totally handy things ever
>created. I use it all the time, just not on the dogs.
>
>Unless you've got a maniac I think it's better to just
>improve your dog-feet-handling skills and get the trimming
>over quickly.

I do, too, and massaging from the legs down is a great idea.

Mustang Sally
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In article <44nep3dc2nvm5u7o9013bgdgqq3bco9l0o DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
sighthounds & siberians <x DeleteThis @ncweb.com> wrote:
>I do, too, and massaging from the legs down is a great idea.

The only dog I have who's not really into it is Image, and
she just doesn't like being handled (except for ear rubs!).
Start at the wrist and rub down the metacarpus to the pad
and then between the toes and then the toes. The dogs learn
to love it pretty quickly, especially if you're slow and
relaxed.
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"Melinda Shore" <shore.RemoveThis@panix.com> wrote in message:

> Start at the wrist and rub down the metacarpus to the pad
> and then between the toes and then the toes. The dogs learn
> to love it pretty quickly, especially if you're slow and
> relaxed.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but neither dog particularly cares for it.
Pan has a tendency to startle if you touch her toes, even if you touch them
repeatedly, and while she's looking at you doing it. Khan just doesn't want
to be messed with. He wants you to do whatever you have to do to him
quickly, and then leave him the hell alone. If it were up to him, he'd go
around totally ungroomed and unwashed and unpetted (except when he feels
like he wants pets).

Suja
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In article <5vp6cqF1no1j6U1 DeleteThis @mid.individual.net>,
Suja <spanaval DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but neither dog particularly cares for it.
>Pan has a tendency to startle if you touch her toes, even if you touch them
>repeatedly, and while she's looking at you doing it.

Don't go anywhere near the toes until you've spent a lot (A
LOT) of time between the wrist and pad.
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shore.TakeThisOut@panix.com (Melinda Shore) wrote in news:fn7m56$dnv$1
@panix3.panix.com:

> In article <5vp3c3F1nbdh3U1.TakeThisOut@mid.individual.net>,
> Suja <spanaval.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Get thee a Dremel.
>
> I got a Dremel specifically to do dog nails. It hasn't
> worked out all that well for it; it takes a long time and
> the dogs don't like the smell. On the other hand it's
> turned out to be one of the most totally handy things ever
> created. I use it all the time, just not on the dogs.

Based on this statement, it sounds like acquiring one is a can't-lose
proposition. I would expect, based on their temperaments, that Queenie
and Max wouldn't mind it, but the noise would freak Zoe out.

>
> Unless you've got a maniac I think it's better to just
> improve your dog-feet-handling skills and get the trimming
> over quickly.

Yes, and I liked your suggestion about massaging the legs and working my
way down to the feet and toes. I'm going to start that immediately.

I handled Zoe quite a bit when she was a puppy, but the other two were
grown up when I got them and I forgot I needed to do that anyway.

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Catherine
& Zoe, Queenie, & Max, 3 black dogs of varying sizes
& Rosalie the calico cat
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In article <Xns9A2E71BC27296ceb4vearthlinknet.TakeThisOut@130.133.1.4>,
ceb <ceb4v.TakeThisOut@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:
>Based on this statement, it sounds like acquiring one is a can't-lose
>proposition.

I think so. I use mine around the house quite a bit, and
it's proven to be useful for things like stripping rust off
metal ski edges and sharpening the chainsaw. When I was
having all that dental work done some of the temporary stuff
was digging into my cheek and I actually used the Dremel to
take some material down, although in retrospect that might
have been kind of stupid. Anyway, it's handy!
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"Suja" <spanaval DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in news:5vp3c3F1nbdh3U1
@mid.individual.net:

> Now, I use the trimmer to take a teeny tiny slice out (more to
> keep her acclimated to the thing than anything else), and then grind.
>

Is it still possible to quick the dog with the Dremel?

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& Rosalie the calico cat
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"ceb" <ceb4v.DeleteThis@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message:

> Is it still possible to quick the dog with the Dremel?

In the 'Anything is possible' sense, yes. Since you're basically touching
the Dremel to the nail for 2 or 3 seconds, it would be hard to do, IMO.

Suja
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