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Since: May 06, 2007 Posts: 692
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:35 pm
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Since: Mar 11, 2007 Posts: 267
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:01 pm
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elegy wrote:
> why toenail trimming has to be such a big, fat, hairy ordeal?
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> i don't mind trimming dog toenails at work. pretty straight forward.
> no biggie. but i am so sick and tired of dogs who scream and flail and
> snap and snarl and act like the whole freaking world is ending.
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> all three of my dogs will lie on their sides or backs on the floor and
> allow me to trim their nails without a fuss. i didn't have to teach
> luce or harv this. it just isn't a big deal to them.
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> mushroom, when i got him, was very mouthy about feet. he wasn't nasty,
> but he made his feelings known, and his feeling was "no touchy". it
> took two people and a muzzle to trim his nails. that wasn't acceptable
> to me, so i worked with him, and it was really very straight-forward
> to teach him to lie on his side and let me do them with no fuss. no
> muzzle. no extra hand. i *know* it's not rocket science, because i'm
> hardly an ace dog trainer. it just took some time and some effort. and
> some cheese. and some peanut butter. and some not allowing him on the
> bed unless he'd let me touch his feet (meanie!).
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> am i just spoiled by my dogs or am i missing something or what? i
> don't understand why this is such a big deal.
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> (i stepped on somebody's toes today regarding this, hence the venting
> here)
I don't know why it's such an issue for so many dogs and their handlers.
I needed extra help with Cooper in the begining but now he's become
resigned to his fate and lays on the couch and lets me grind his nails
just like the BCs do (although I have to start with him because if he
sees me working on one of the other dogs first he tries to hide under
the bed).
I've done my mother's horrible, ill mannered dogs, as well as literally
every other dog in my flyball club at one time or another. Granted, all
of them know me and are well aware of the fact that if they lay teeth on
me there will be CONSEQUENCES but I don't consider myself especially scary.
The whole toenail business is a hot button issue for me. Dogs running
with long nails wind up with sore feet over the course of a tournament
weekend, and they play merry hell with the matting on the face of the
box. It's not surgery, for god's sake, and even if it was, consider the
surgeon's practicum: "Watch one, do one, teach one".
Practical tips for dremelling nails:
Trim long fur around the nails so you can see what you're doing and to
prevent winding fur up around the grinder.
Wear safety glasses or reading glasses to keep nail dust from getting in
your eyes.
Make the dog lay on his back on a couch, pinned against the back of the
couch by the side of your thigh. Use a helper if necessary, at least in
the beginning.
When working with plume-y tailed breeds, sit on the tail to keep long
hair out of harm's way.
Immobilize the limb by folding it in against the dog's torso rather than
pulling it out towards you.
Use a fine grit sanding head.
On a ten-speed dremel, start at 2 or 3.
Don't hold the grinding head against the nail for longer than 2 or 3
seconds at a time. This prevents heat build-up and lets you check your
progress.
You want to create a vertical face that will be perpendicular to the
floor when the dog is standing. Go back and round off any sharp edges
after you've reduced the length.
If the dog freaks out, take a break. Do a little at a time until both
you and he gain confidence.
If you quick a nail stop the bleeding with some styptic powder, or, if
you don't have that on hand, a pinch of plain white flour will work, too. >> Stay informed about: can someone explain to me |
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Since: Jan 27, 2005 Posts: 1360
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:58 am
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:35:44 -0500, elegy
<elegy.TakeThisOut@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
>mushroom, when i got him, was very mouthy about feet. he wasn't nasty,
>but he made his feelings known, and his feeling was "no touchy". it
>took two people and a muzzle to trim his nails. that wasn't acceptable
>to me, so i worked with him, and it was really very straight-forward
>to teach him to lie on his side and let me do them with no fuss. no
>muzzle. no extra hand. i *know* it's not rocket science, because i'm
>hardly an ace dog trainer. it just took some time and some effort. and
>some cheese. and some peanut butter. and some not allowing him on the
>bed unless he'd let me touch his feet (meanie!).
>
>am i just spoiled by my dogs or am i missing something or what? i
>don't understand why this is such a big deal.
I think you are somewhat spoiled by Luce and Harv, and I say that out
of pure jealousy. You're right, this isn't rocket science, but some
dogs are harder to desensitize to nail trimming than others. But as
you say, it just takes some time and effort. Music, for example, has
improved a great deal - when we first got him, he'd scream and run out
of the room before I touched his foot. He still gets pretty stressed,
but stays put, and I thank the Nail God every day that his nails grow
unusually slowly. Triss shakes throughout the entire trimming
process, whereas Gene (hardly a normal dog) barely seems to notice
what I'm doing. I don't know why some dogs are terribly stressed by
nail trimming and others aren't (setting aside dogs that have been
inadvertently trained to act up during nail trimming or dogs that had
bad experiences during trimming). And while we're on the subject,
anyone with suggestions for desensitizing a 6 month-old pup that
wasn't handled quite enough while a baby to having his nails trimmed,
please speak up.
>(i stepped on somebody's toes today regarding this, hence the venting
>here)
I would like to hear this story.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:58 am
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Since: Jan 27, 2005 Posts: 1360
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:41 am
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:12:01 -0500, elegy
<elegy DeleteThis @DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
>when i get the nail trimmers out mushroom tucks all four feet
>underneath him and looks horribly pathetic. this is a definite
>improvement over biting.
Heh. Triss does that. It's kind of funny, just because it's amazing
how fast they can get all their feet tucked safely away. But
pathetic. And yes, a huge improvement over biting. Nobody here
really tries to bite while nails are being trimmed, with the exception
of Raisin, the blind dachshund with the bad attitude, and it seems
that he tries to bite about 40% of the time so he gets ignored.
Besides, he's blind, so it's easy to outsmart him and get those nails
trimmed. A couple of months ago I got Stan's quick, and surprisingly
he whipped his head around to snap, but I think we're both past that
experience now.
>spoiled it is, then! they're good dogs.
Sure sounds like it.
>>>(i stepped on somebody's toes today regarding this, hence the venting
>>>here)
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>>I would like to hear this story.
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>there's really not much to tell. some chucklehead on another group
>thought it'd be a good plan to take a known fearful/aggressive
>catahoula x weim mix to petsmart to have his nails trimmed and the dog
>tried to take off the groomer's face. (nobody was hurt and no nails
>were trimmed in the process.) that dog's problems are above and beyond
>nail trimming, but the conversation turned to nail trimming.
Oh, I thought maybe you lost patience with an ignorant owner or
something. The decision to take that weim mix to PetsMart was really
incredibly bad judgment, to put it mildly. That kind of carelessness
really pisses me off. Triss has had a couple of incidents of fear
aggression, years ago now, but I was always extremely careful to avoid
any situation that would result in someone being injured or me being
forced to have her put down.
>and i had one of those days at work where Every! Dog! was a jerk about
>nail trimming. ok, i lie. every dog but the maremma mix. she just laid
>on the floor and was a total sweetheart. anyway, it gets so tiresome.
Heh. I would imagine that a high percentage of dogs that go to the
vet to have their nails trimmed have 'issues' with it, or their owners
would do it themselves.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:10 am
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sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:12:01 -0500, elegy
> <elegy.DeleteThis@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
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>>when i get the nail trimmers out mushroom tucks all four feet
>>underneath him and looks horribly pathetic. this is a definite
>>improvement over biting.
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> Heh. Triss does that. It's kind of funny, just because it's amazing
> how fast they can get all their feet tucked safely away. But
> pathetic.
Cala hates getting hers done and is a total drama queen. But I got
through the worst of it when she was a puppy. We did have a couple of
episodes where she honestly tried to attack me over it. Being as she was
about four months old at the time I was able to convince her that
wouldn't work (an easy puppy she was not). Yet she will leap up on the
couch to have them done (albeit with a fit of paw waving and
melodramatic screaming before I do the first nail) because they always,
always get treats.
Zipper will hide when he can but it pretty good about it once I get him.
Viva's fine with it.
I think a lot of it is clueless owners who just don't ever bother to get
their dogs used to feet being handled, and who wait until the claws are
ungodly long then whack them off while making a huge freaking production
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Since: Aug 30, 2007 Posts: 728
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:12 am
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elegy <elegy DeleteThis @DOGPOOPshattering.org> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> i don't mind trimming dog toenails at work. pretty straight
> forward. no biggie. but i am so sick and tired of dogs who
> scream and flail and snap and snarl and act like the whole
> freaking world is ending.
Have you ever seen this one before?
Maybe doesn't flail or snap or snarl. She tucks her head into
my armpit and is completely docile, but obviously hates it, even
though I've been clipping her nails since she was 8 weeks old.
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Since: Aug 30, 2007 Posts: 728
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:22 am
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Kathleen <khhfmdeletethis.RemoveThis@charter.net> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> Immobilize the limb by folding it in against the dog's
> torso rather than pulling it out towards you.
Or do it horse-style (not for fnnaring) - with the dog in a
stand, bend the hocks backwards and deal with the nails.
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Since: Mar 11, 2007 Posts: 267
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:22 am
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Rocky wrote:
> Kathleen <khhfmdeletethis.RemoveThis@charter.net> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
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>>Immobilize the limb by folding it in against the dog's
>>torso rather than pulling it out towards you.
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> Or do it horse-style (not for fnnaring) - with the dog in a
> stand, bend the hocks backwards and deal with the nails.
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That's how I did my mom's dogs. Pinned them in a corner against the
kitchen cabinets, my hip to their shoulder, lifting one foot at a time
up and back.
For what it's worth, horse-style means different things to different
people. My daughter taught her horse, a baby mustang filly, to sit and
offer her front hooves one at a time for inspection.
At the time neither of them knew at the time that this was an unnatural
act for a horse. Luna would wobble and throw her weight against my
daughter any time she tried to lift either front foot. Sitting seemed
an easy fix (it's amazing what people will come up with when there's
nobody to tell you that's not how it's done).
Fortunately Luna has lovely hard, resilient hooves that chip off nice
and evenly in the course of normal activities, never need shoeing and
rarely need trimming >> Stay informed about: can someone explain to me |
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Since: Jun 11, 2004 Posts: 169
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:24 am
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In article <5i9dp3p61u2uqj6amlgc5joirhpff43q3a.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
sighthounds & siberians <x.DeleteThis@ncweb.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:12:01 -0500, elegy
> <elegy.DeleteThis@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
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> >and i had one of those days at work where Every! Dog! was a jerk about
> >nail trimming. ok, i lie. every dog but the maremma mix. she just laid
> >on the floor and was a total sweetheart. anyway, it gets so tiresome.
>
> Heh. I would imagine that a high percentage of dogs that go to the
> vet to have their nails trimmed have 'issues' with it, or their owners
> would do it themselves.
I really need to start doing Peanut's. We had the vet do them the last
time he was there, and it was just like 1-2-3 and they were done (the
vet didn't make a big production out of it and in fact kept talking to
us while he did it...I think he was done before Peanut realized anything
had happened) so I don't think he would be difficult. It's just not
something I've done before--the other dogs I've lived with got their
nails trimmed while they were being groomed, but Peanut doesn't need
grooming.
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Since: Jul 03, 2007 Posts: 20
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:39 am
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Robin Nuttall <robinjn DeleteThis @mchsi.com> wrote :
>...Yet she will leap up on the
> couch to have them done (albeit with a fit of paw waving and
> melodramatic screaming before I do the first nail) because they always,
> always get treats.
Duke is always first, and then he tries to get back "in line". Not the
most sensitive of tootsies, and boy-oh-boy does he love his cookies.
Lindy gets a little testy, and shrieky, and will sometimes try snapping,
but a glare and a growl will make her subside. Ranger just lets his brain
drift off elsewhere until the cookie comes out. And he always sneezes. >> Stay informed about: can someone explain to me |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:08 am
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:47 am
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:50 am
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