Welcome to PetForumz.com!
FAQFAQ      ProfileProfile    Private MessagesPrivate Messages   Log inLog in

My experiences with finding the right dog

 
   Pet Problems (Home) -> Dog Breeds RSS
Next:  standard poodle mix  
Author Message
Rich Spencer

External


Since: Oct 12, 2003
Posts: 1



(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 8:25 pm
Post subject: My experiences with finding the right dog
Archived from groups: rec>pets>dogs>breeds, others (more info?)

I thought I would post this to see if others are in this same situation
and also to allow those in shelters and rescue societies to know at
least what some of us are thinking.

We recently lost our 9 year old Basset (whom we got from a Basset rescue
group and were very good and helpful) and decided to get another smaller
dog. We were looking for a dog that was medium size, less than 50 lbs.
and wanted an older dog (1 to 6 years of age). Although we had several
breeds in mind, we would also be open to a mutt as long as he or she was
affectionate and good with our two daughters.

We thought that this would be a relatively simple process but were
surprised at all the hoops that we had to jump through. We looked at
the local shelters to begin with thinking that we would have a good
chance of finding our dog since we didn't want a puppy. What we found
was that many of the dog were either much older than we wanted or
shepard, dobe or lab mixes. Most of the dogs in fact were larger dogs.
Many of the shelters would also not adopt dogs to those of us without a
fenced in yard. In out town, that eliminates about 60-70% of the homes.
I know that from talking to others that many people lie about this but I
didn't feel that I should have to lie to get a dog. When I was with our
basset, I either had him on lead outside or was next to him when he did
his business.

I then looked at several rescue organizations since we had good luck
with the basset rescue. I couldn't believe some of the requirements
that some of these groups had. While many had the fenced in yard
requirement and home visits (the home visits could be a good idea) some
groups insisted that I feed the dog a wholistic diet and even one rescue
group insisted that they would not allow a dog to be adopted if the
owner would not agree to feed a diet of raw meat and bones to the dog.

I eventually found a breeder who had the dog for me. He was an
excellent breeder who just happened to have a dog that he was retiring
and it worked out well. The dog got along fine with the kids and we are
very happy with our decision. He checked us out by viewing our family
and how we interacted with the dog and vis versa.

I realize that there are people who try to adopt who shouldn't and that
some people's motivations to adopt aren't what they should be. However,
many of these restrictions only serve to discourage dog ownership and
force people to go to backyard breeders As an adoptive parent, we went
through many hurdles including home studies, background checks and the
like and have had to deal with requirements that just seem to make no
sense. I would encourage shelters and rescue groups to have standards
but also to be realistic. Good dog owners can have non-fenced in yards
and feed dogs Iams dog food. Don't eliminate people who would like to
adopt a dog just because they don't fit into your ideal dog owner
profile.

Just my 2 cents - your mileage may vary

 >> Stay informed about: My experiences with finding the right dog 
Back to top
Login to vote
Suja

External


Since: Aug 08, 2003
Posts: 669



(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 12:39 pm
Post subject: Re: My experiences with finding the right dog [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Kim wrote:
> I am having the same problem. We are looking for a dog or puppy and all I
> can seem to find at the shelters/rescues are either senior dogs or
> dogs/puppies that will be mammoth in a few months or so. While I don't want
> a toy poodle, it'd be nice to find a dog that isn't going to be the size of
> a small horse.

That's reality, though. The older and larger dogs are harder to adopt
out, so that's most likely what you'll see when you look around.
Unfortunately, there is no dearth of any particular type of dog in this
area, and while finding a smaller dog will take you longer, it isn't
impossible.

> Also, with the fenced yard thing, same here. Even if we are looking for a
> small inside dog, the application for adoption asks "Do you have a fenced
> yard" the next line is "if no, why not?" Hello, if I am not going to leave
> my dog outside, why do I need to spend $3000+ to fence in part of my 2 1/2
> acre yard, separating my woods from the rest of the yard just so the dog can
> go out and pee??? It's called a leash people! :)
> I'm getting frustrated too.

Absolutely, put it down on the application. All the applications I've
looked at asks you how you plan on exercising your dog, and keeping the
dog on-leash while you go on hikes and walks is a good way to do it.
Generally, when a rescue finds out that you are a responsible dog owner
(especially one who has had dogs and unfenced yards before), they won't
have any problems adopting to you. I can see the fenced yard being a
requirement if you are adopting a particular breed of dog who has very
high energy requirements and must be allowed to run off-leash in a safe
area.

Suja

 >> Stay informed about: My experiences with finding the right dog 
Back to top
Login to vote
The Puppy Wizard

External


Since: Jul 01, 2003
Posts: 3494



(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:06 pm
Post subject: Re: My experiences with finding the right dog [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

You're a idiot.

"Suja" <spanaval.RemoveThis@scs.gmu.edu> wrote in message
news:1DAib.81857$a16.7425@lakeread01...
> Kim wrote:
> > I am having the same problem. We are looking for a dog or
puppy and all I
> > can seem to find at the shelters/rescues are either senior
dogs or
> > dogs/puppies that will be mammoth in a few months or so. While
I don't want
> > a toy poodle, it'd be nice to find a dog that isn't going to
be the size of
> > a small horse.
>
> That's reality, though. The older and larger dogs are harder to
adopt
> out, so that's most likely what you'll see when you look around.
> Unfortunately, there is no dearth of any particular type of dog
in this
> area, and while finding a smaller dog will take you longer, it
isn't
> impossible.
>
> > Also, with the fenced yard thing, same here. Even if we are
looking for a
> > small inside dog, the application for adoption asks "Do you
have a fenced
> > yard" the next line is "if no, why not?" Hello, if I am not
going to leave
> > my dog outside, why do I need to spend $3000+ to fence in part
of my 2 1/2
> > acre yard, separating my woods from the rest of the yard just
so the dog can
> > go out and pee??? It's called a leash people! :)
> > I'm getting frustrated too.
>
> Absolutely, put it down on the application. All the
applications I've
> looked at asks you how you plan on exercising your dog, and
keeping the
> dog on-leash while you go on hikes and walks is a good way to do
it.
> Generally, when a rescue finds out that you are a responsible
dog owner
> (especially one who has had dogs and unfenced yards before),
they won't
> have any problems adopting to you. I can see the fenced yard
being a
> requirement if you are adopting a particular breed of dog who
has very
> high energy requirements and must be allowed to run off-leash in
a safe
> area.
>
> Suja
>
 >> Stay informed about: My experiences with finding the right dog 
Back to top
Login to vote
Tara O.

External


Since: Aug 20, 2003
Posts: 83



(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:38 pm
Post subject: Re: My experiences with finding the right dog [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Rich Spencer" <richspencer.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.19f50d3cd3699f3989690@news.comcast.giganews.com...
>
> Of course, rescue groups can make any rules that they like. It would
> seem to me though that a goal would be to rescue as many dogs as
> possible and place those dogs in good homes.

That generally is the goal.

> These homes might not be
> the ideal home in some small respect but it would allow more dogs to be
> rescue rather than trying to find the optimal environment and facing the
> possibility that some will not be rescued due to lack of space.

I disagree with the above. That's not to say that I think there's a such
thing as a "perfect" home as each one is different in a great many aspects.
However, placing a dog in a less than as-close-to-perfect-as-possible home
isn't necessarily doing that dog any favors. When rescues take in dogs,
they make a promise to that dog to find it a wonderful home where it will
stay forever and always receive the utmost in attention and health care.
Placing dogs in homes that are just okay may make space for more dogs, more
quickly, but is the rescue doing the dog any long-term favors?


--
Tara
 >> Stay informed about: My experiences with finding the right dog 
Back to top
Login to vote
Tara O.

External


Since: Aug 20, 2003
Posts: 83



(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:22 pm
Post subject: Re: My experiences with finding the right dog [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Rich Spencer" <richspencer RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.19f5160268bc3786989691@news.comcast.giganews.com...
>
> The problem is one of definition - is my home any less better because I
> don't have a fensed in yard? According to some rescue groups, that
> would seem to be the case. This is what I meant by optimal conditions
> and is the point I'm trying to make. At what point does your search for
> the ideal conditions lead to fewer dogs being rescued? Also is our
> definition of a "wonderful home" so narrow that it disqualifies many who
> could otherwise provide a good home for the dog? Some people might have
> other advantages that could outweigh a potential negative such as a non-
> fenced in yard. That is the problem with absolutes - it fails to take
> into account all factors that constitute a good home.

Well I do agree with that POV as I stated earlier in the thread. I have
some absolutes with my rescue but IMO they are necessities for successful
pet ownership rather than indulgences so to speak. There are also some
"requirements" that I waive depending on the applicant or dog in
question...things like a fence. People who have no documented history of
dog ownership, who have had a dog get lost or stolen, or who have a home
full of kids, but no fence, are people who I have a hard time believing
would *always* take the dog out on leash, or provide some other means of
security for the dog's outdoor time.

There are certainly exceptions to the rule given a large sampling of people
but I can tell you that rescues don't have the luxiury of time on their side
to scrutinize each applicant in order to weigh pros & cons. A system, with
certain requirements in place, is a good way to weed out the people who
generally wouldn't qualify, leaving the volunteers to spend their time on
the people who would...or at least appear to qualify.

Ideally taking each person on his/her own merits, asking many questions
upfront and spending alot of time hearing answers and discussing potential
problems would the fairest way to operate but there simply aren't enough
hours in the day to do so. When I say that, I'm thinking of most rescues I
know who operate solely on unpaid volunteers who all have full-time day
jobs, some with families, and all with personal lives of their own. The
rescue is run in the evenings and on weekends, on people's personal time.

--
Tara
 >> Stay informed about: My experiences with finding the right dog 
Back to top
Login to vote
Sunflower

External


Since: Sep 02, 2003
Posts: 196



(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:07 am
Post subject: Re: My experiences with finding the right dog [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Rich Spencer" <richspencer.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.19f50d3cd3699f3989690@news.comcast.giganews.com...
> In article <bmfc6t$ltdn7$1@ID-80796.news.uni-berlin.de>, TOTE@dog-
> play.com says...
> > In rec.pets.dogs.breeds Kim <summitmom2003.DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote:
> > > Also, with the fenced yard thing, same here. Even if we are looking
for a
> > > small inside dog, the application for adoption asks "Do you have a
fenced
> > > yard" the next line is "if no, why not?" Hello, if I am not going to
leave
> > > my dog outside, why do I need to spend $3000+ to fence in part of my 2
1/2
> > > acre yard, separating my woods from the rest of the yard just so the
dog can
> > > go out and pee??? It's called a leash people! :)
> >
> > For a lot of rescues that's a perfectly acceptable answer. Not
> > acceptable would be "because I don't want to spend the money" or
"because
> > my dog will be tied up". I think dogs without fences yards often get
> > more attention. The thing is simply to make it clear that you find
> > turning a dog loose to "do its business" at *least* as appalling as they
> > - and even better if you can state you have plenty of experience in not
> > letting a dog loose even without a fenced yard. Even the last comment
is
> > perfectly appropriate. Thing is that we get an awful lot of questions
> > here that show that people seem to forget things like leashes. "How do I
> > stop my dog from going to the neighbors?" "How do I stop my dog from
> > chasing cars."? ....
> >
> > Diane Blackman
> >
> That would be great if rescue groups would allow that type of latitude -
> the problem is that if you look at their web pages (which is where most
> people get their information), the requirements read just like that,
> absolute requirements rather than a "requirement or an acceptable
> modification." When people see these type of web pages, they are led to
> believe that these requirements are written in stone and thus, got to
> another source.
>
> Of course, rescue groups can make any rules that they like. It would
> seem to me though that a goal would be to rescue as many dogs as
> possible and place those dogs in good homes. These homes might not be
> the ideal home in some small respect but it would allow more dogs to be
> rescue rather than trying to find the optimal environment and facing the
> possibility that some will not be rescued due to lack of space.
>
> I'm sure that this is an issue that groups and shelters deal with every
> day but given some of the responses to this issue, it might be worth
> reconsidering.

You know, it's those "compromises" that haunt me. One family assured us
that they'd purchase a large chainlink kennel for the dog to spend time in
while outside, but that it would really be an inside dog. He spends his
life chained to a porch. One family assured us that they'd leash walk a
little chihuahua mix, but because they had forty acres of unfenced land,
they were soon just letting him out the back door. He was eaten by a
coyote. Other families have assured us that the cat would be "inside only",
only to post "Lost" posters at our shelter later stating the animal had been
declawed and "we only let him out for a little while". It's situations like
these that have made us more restrictive on our adoption policies.
Generally, on dogs over 25 pounds, the fence issue is absolute. For smaller
dogs, if the potential adoptor is in an apartment, it's a given that the dog
must be leashwalked, so that's approved, if their past vet references check
out OK and they have the written OK from the landlord. It's those folks who
own homes with no fences and want small inside dogs that are the most
problematic to decide about. Most of these animals have come to us because
someone didn't fence them in, so there has to be pretty compelling past
evidence that someone has dealt with twice daily leashwalks before and then
we may waive our fence policy. For first time dog owners, it's generally
not waived, but it's all a judgement call.

So, yes, there are "rules", and there are reasons for those rules, but if
someone really really is drawn to a rescue dog, then they'll discuss their
situation with the rescue group. reegardless of the published guidelines.
If they aren't drawn enough to a specific dog in the first place, then they
won't be persistant in requesting a variance and they won't have a plan.
And those are the people that the rules are there to weed out.

Sunflower
 >> Stay informed about: My experiences with finding the right dog 
Back to top
Login to vote
Amy Dahl

External


Since: Aug 20, 2003
Posts: 375



(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:30 pm
Post subject: Re: My experiences with finding the right dog [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

TOTE.DeleteThis@dog-play.com wrote:
>
> In rec.pets.dogs.breeds Kim <summitmom2003.DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote:
> > Also, with the fenced yard thing, same here. Even if we are looking for a
> > small inside dog, the application for adoption asks "Do you have a fenced
> > yard" the next line is "if no, why not?" Hello, if I am not going to leave
> > my dog outside, why do I need to spend $3000+ to fence in part of my 2 1/2
> > acre yard, separating my woods from the rest of the yard just so the dog can
> > go out and pee??? It's called a leash people! :)
>
> For a lot of rescues that's a perfectly acceptable answer. Not
> acceptable would be "because I don't want to spend the money" or "because
> my dog will be tied up". I think dogs without fences yards often get
> more attention. The thing is simply to make it clear that you find
> turning a dog loose to "do its business" at *least* as appalling as they
> - and even better if you can state you have plenty of experience in not
> letting a dog loose even without a fenced yard. Even the last comment is
> perfectly appropriate. Thing is that we get an awful lot of questions
> here that show that people seem to forget things like leashes. "How do I
> stop my dog from going to the neighbors?" "How do I stop my dog from
> chasing cars."? ....
>
I'm glad to hear you say that....on the other hand, the local shelter's
unwillingness to let me have a dog because my rented apartment had an
incomplete fence was the reason I ended up going to a breeder for my
first dog, and getting a Lab, and eventually meeting my husband and
switching careers to retriever training. Hard to complain the way things
worked out.

It does seem to be a problem that would-be dog owners are often turned
away by "responsible breeders" (or else suffer "sticker shock" at the prices),
rescues, and shelters...and end up being a steady market for the kind of
source that,
at the very least, doesn't provide education and support.

Amy Dahl
 >> Stay informed about: My experiences with finding the right dog 
Back to top
Login to vote
Turbocane

External


Since: Sep 24, 2003
Posts: 5



(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 7:32 pm
Post subject: Re: My experiences with finding the right dog [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Amy Dahl" <amy.DeleteThis@oakhillkennel.com> wrote in message
news:3F8D85F2.33363149@oakhillkennel.com...
>
>
> TOTE.DeleteThis@dog-play.com wrote:
> >
> > In rec.pets.dogs.breeds Kim <summitmom2003.DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote:
> > > Also, with the fenced yard thing, same here. Even if we are looking
for a
> > > small inside dog, the application for adoption asks "Do you have a
fenced
> > > yard" the next line is "if no, why not?" Hello, if I am not going to
leave
> > > my dog outside, why do I need to spend $3000+ to fence in part of my 2
1/2
> > > acre yard, separating my woods from the rest of the yard just so the
dog can
> > > go out and pee??? It's called a leash people! :)
> >
> > For a lot of rescues that's a perfectly acceptable answer. Not
> > acceptable would be "because I don't want to spend the money" or
"because
> > my dog will be tied up". I think dogs without fences yards often get
> > more attention. The thing is simply to make it clear that you find
> > turning a dog loose to "do its business" at *least* as appalling as they
> > - and even better if you can state you have plenty of experience in not
> > letting a dog loose even without a fenced yard. Even the last comment
is
> > perfectly appropriate. Thing is that we get an awful lot of questions
> > here that show that people seem to forget things like leashes. "How do I
> > stop my dog from going to the neighbors?" "How do I stop my dog from
> > chasing cars."? ....
> >
> I'm glad to hear you say that....on the other hand, the local shelter's
> unwillingness to let me have a dog because my rented apartment had an
> incomplete fence was the reason I ended up going to a breeder for my
> first dog, and getting a Lab, and eventually meeting my husband and
> switching careers to retriever training. Hard to complain the way things
> worked out.
>
> It does seem to be a problem that would-be dog owners are often turned
> away by "responsible breeders" (or else suffer "sticker shock" at the
prices),
> rescues, and shelters...and end up being a steady market for the kind of
> source that,
> at the very least, doesn't provide education and support.
>
> Amy Dahl

I am college educated, in my late forties, have always had dogs and they
lived to old age. I have also had cats, birds and all the assorted rodents,
lizards, fish etc that my children wanted because I love animals. My
youngest human child is 15. My dogs, cats and birds have always had
veterinary care. Seven years ago I wanted a new dog because my lab/Sheltie
was getting old. I thought it would ease his passing for us. I took a
year to decide that I wanted a mini poodle. I contacted two rescues and
was never sent the promised application I asked for. My husband and I
went to dog shows and we were promised a call about a litter and the call
never came. When we called the breeder she made many excuses why she didn't
call us so I felt uncomfortable. We left phone messages with breeders who
were recommended by our local poodle club and they were never returned.

Our vet who has known me for 25 years told us just to make sure we looked at
both parents when we went to see puppies. We went to many "breeders"
before we found a couple that we trusted and with parent dogs that we loved.
Our mini poodle went through puppy agility classes and we had the time of
our lives - he was a star. He also added 4 years of life to our Lab/Sheltie
who passed from lymphoma. When he died our mini wouldn't eat so we went
searching again for another mini. They are loved, they are well trained and
I feel badly that I wasn't able to do that for a rescue dog.

The only reason I can think of that made breeders refuse us and rescue
refuse us is because I am in a wheelchair. I don't know if this is true or
not. However, other persons who are disabled tell me they have the exact
same problem. My dogs get more attention and care than anyone else I know.
I am their constant companion.

Turbocane
 >> Stay informed about: My experiences with finding the right dog 
Back to top
Login to vote
JustMel

External


Since: Sep 13, 2003
Posts: 9



(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 7:32 pm
Post subject: Re: My experiences with finding the right dog [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

My mothers little silky terrier died about a year ago. Since then she's been
very actively looking for a small dog to replace her beloved vartamin.No
rescue or quality breeder would place a dog with mom. Even though it would
have the best best home. fenced yard, long record of vet
participation,Active in wheelchair derby with her dog, 3 walks a day.. sigh
So, Last night I got mom a little toy poodle puppy.Oh, by the way, she's in
a wheelchair too.The puppy will stay here with me until she is housebroken
and mannered.Rescue missed out on a great home because of the wheelchair.
"Turbocane" <turbocane1nospam.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:AnCjb.482362$2x.197150@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
>
> "Amy Dahl" <amy.DeleteThis@oakhillkennel.com> wrote in message
> news:3F8D85F2.33363149@oakhillkennel.com...
> >
> >
> > TOTE.DeleteThis@dog-play.com wrote:
> > >
> > > In rec.pets.dogs.breeds Kim <summitmom2003.DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote:
> > > > Also, with the fenced yard thing, same here. Even if we are looking
> for a
> > > > small inside dog, the application for adoption asks "Do you have a
> fenced
> > > > yard" the next line is "if no, why not?" Hello, if I am not going to
> leave
> > > > my dog outside, why do I need to spend $3000+ to fence in part of my
2
> 1/2
> > > > acre yard, separating my woods from the rest of the yard just so the
> dog can
> > > > go out and pee??? It's called a leash people! :)
> > >
> > > For a lot of rescues that's a perfectly acceptable answer. Not
> > > acceptable would be "because I don't want to spend the money" or
> "because
> > > my dog will be tied up". I think dogs without fences yards often get
> > > more attention. The thing is simply to make it clear that you find
> > > turning a dog loose to "do its business" at *least* as appalling as
they
> > > - and even better if you can state you have plenty of experience in
not
> > > letting a dog loose even without a fenced yard. Even the last comment
> is
> > > perfectly appropriate. Thing is that we get an awful lot of questions
> > > here that show that people seem to forget things like leashes. "How do
I
> > > stop my dog from going to the neighbors?" "How do I stop my dog from
> > > chasing cars."? ....
> > >
> > I'm glad to hear you say that....on the other hand, the local shelter's
> > unwillingness to let me have a dog because my rented apartment had an
> > incomplete fence was the reason I ended up going to a breeder for my
> > first dog, and getting a Lab, and eventually meeting my husband and
> > switching careers to retriever training. Hard to complain the way
things
> > worked out.
> >
> > It does seem to be a problem that would-be dog owners are often turned
> > away by "responsible breeders" (or else suffer "sticker shock" at the
> prices),
> > rescues, and shelters...and end up being a steady market for the kind of
> > source that,
> > at the very least, doesn't provide education and support.
> >
> > Amy Dahl
>
> I am college educated, in my late forties, have always had dogs and they
> lived to old age. I have also had cats, birds and all the assorted
rodents,
> lizards, fish etc that my children wanted because I love animals. My
> youngest human child is 15. My dogs, cats and birds have always had
> veterinary care. Seven years ago I wanted a new dog because my
lab/Sheltie
> was getting old. I thought it would ease his passing for us. I took a
> year to decide that I wanted a mini poodle. I contacted two rescues and
> was never sent the promised application I asked for. My husband and I
> went to dog shows and we were promised a call about a litter and the call
> never came. When we called the breeder she made many excuses why she
didn't
> call us so I felt uncomfortable. We left phone messages with breeders who
> were recommended by our local poodle club and they were never returned.
>
> Our vet who has known me for 25 years told us just to make sure we looked
at
> both parents when we went to see puppies. We went to many "breeders"
> before we found a couple that we trusted and with parent dogs that we
loved.
> Our mini poodle went through puppy agility classes and we had the time of
> our lives - he was a star. He also added 4 years of life to our
Lab/Sheltie
> who passed from lymphoma. When he died our mini wouldn't eat so we went
> searching again for another mini. They are loved, they are well trained
and
> I feel badly that I wasn't able to do that for a rescue dog.
>
> The only reason I can think of that made breeders refuse us and rescue
> refuse us is because I am in a wheelchair. I don't know if this is true
or
> not. However, other persons who are disabled tell me they have the exact
> same problem. My dogs get more attention and care than anyone else I
know.
> I am their constant companion.
>
> Turbocane
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: My experiences with finding the right dog 
Back to top
Login to vote
Amy Dahl

External


Since: Aug 20, 2003
Posts: 375



(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:28 pm
Post subject: Re: My experiences with finding the right dog [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Turbocane wrote:
>
> The only reason I can think of that made breeders refuse us and rescue
> refuse us is because I am in a wheelchair. I don't know if this is true or
> not. However, other persons who are disabled tell me they have the exact
> same problem. My dogs get more attention and care than anyone else I know.
> I am their constant companion.
>
I am sorry to hear people treat you that way. It may be, though, that
some of the non-returned calls had nothing to do with you. I know when
I am feeling overextended and exhausted and I have a long list of
messages from people who want something I don't have, I don't return
them all.

Amy Dahl
 >> Stay informed about: My experiences with finding the right dog 
Back to top
Login to vote
Charles Richmond

External


Since: Sep 27, 2003
Posts: 29



(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:46 pm
Post subject: Re: My experiences with finding the right dog [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Turbocane wrote:
>
> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
>
> The only reason I can think of that made breeders refuse us and rescue
> refuse us is because I am in a wheelchair. I don't know if this is true or
> not. However, other persons who are disabled tell me they have the exact
> same problem. My dogs get more attention and care than anyone else I know.
> I am their constant companion.
>
I know some rescue people who are pretty "small minded". But
I also know a guy in a wheelchair...who is a foster for a
rescue group. His wife does the things for the foster dogs
that he is *not* able to do. But he can do things like letting
the fosters out in the fenced back yard, re-filling the dog
water, brushing the dogs, etc.

--
+----------------------------------------------------------------+
| Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net |
+----------------------------------------------------------------+
 >> Stay informed about: My experiences with finding the right dog 
Back to top
Login to vote
Turbocane

External


Since: Sep 24, 2003
Posts: 5



(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 11:00 am
Post subject: Re: My experiences with finding the right dog [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Charles Richmond" <richchas DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F8F2CC1.23A3652C@comcast.net...
> Turbocane wrote:
> >
> > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
> >
> > The only reason I can think of that made breeders refuse us and rescue
> > refuse us is because I am in a wheelchair. I don't know if this is true
or
> > not. However, other persons who are disabled tell me they have the
exact
> > same problem. My dogs get more attention and care than anyone else I
know.
> > I am their constant companion.
> >
> I know some rescue people who are pretty "small minded". But
> I also know a guy in a wheelchair...who is a foster for a
> rescue group. His wife does the things for the foster dogs
> that he is *not* able to do. But he can do things like letting
> the fosters out in the fenced back yard, re-filling the dog
> water, brushing the dogs, etc.

I would love to do something like that. I don't drive though so I couldn't
go and pick up dogs during the day. My husband works long hours so it would
be difficult. I do everything for the dogs except take them to the vet. My
husband takes them to the vet but other than basking in all the adoration
because he is the alpha (we have him fooled) I do everything. That is why
we decided on a small non-shedding breed.

My house is completely accessible and part of my backyard (we have an acre)
is fenced in so that the dogs and I can go out together.

We used to have cockatiels when I was more capable and we became an
unofficial rescue for people who had unwanted birds. Our vet used to give
us a discount when we would bring birds to him because we had so many at one
time.

Turbocane
>
> --
> +----------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net |
> +----------------------------------------------------------------+
 >> Stay informed about: My experiences with finding the right dog 
Back to top
Login to vote
The Puppy Wizard

External


Since: Jul 01, 2003
Posts: 3494



(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 3:04 am
Post subject: Re: My experiences with finding the right dog [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: rec>pets>dogs>behavior, others (more info?)

HOWEDY Turbocane,

"Turbocane" <turbocane1nospam.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:L7Qjb.298873$mp.238467@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
>
> "Lynn K." <javagsd.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:37cd72a9.0310162109.f40824a@posting.google.com...
> > Charles Richmond <richchas.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:<3F8F2CC1.23A3652C.RemoveThis@comcast.net>...
> > > Turbocane wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
> > > >
> > > > The only reason I can think of that made breeders refuse
> > > > us and rescue refuse us is because I am in a wheelchair.

Well, that's typical of incompetent lying dog abusing
Punk Thug Cowards who depend on HURTING and
INTIMIDATING dogs to train them. They know crippled
folks can't HURT their dogs ENOUGH to make them
LIKE workin for you... like lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn discovered with her SAR dog Jive. Ask her. She
can't HURT him enough to make him work a real live
SAR site, despite that he gets top scores in the ring,
on accHOWENT of she shocks and jerks and chokes
him on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar daily in
variHOWES rings arHOWEND tHOWEN.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn's PARTNER in "rescue,"
cindy SADIST mooreon has been BANNED from TWO
obedience clubs for CRUELTY.

> > > > I don't know if this is true or not.

Every thing The Puppy Wizard sez is TRUE or
The Puppy Wizard's ISP would be OBLIGATED
to pull HIS plug, on accHOWENT of HOWER
DOG LOVERS, the DOG ABUSING MENTAL
CASES we got postin here, CONstantly organize
"complain to The Puppy Wizard's ISP campaines."

Welcome to The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Forum. SHORE,
this is breeds and rescue, and THAT'S HOWE
COME they got to learn HOWE to handle and
train dogs pupperly, withHOWET HURTIN and
KILLIN them.

Wouldn't you agree?

> > > > However, other persons who are disabled

The Puppy Wizard teaches folks HOWE to use totally
non physcical methods to teach HOWER dogs to
naturally want to do every thing we ask, NEARLY
INSTANTLY. So called trainers like lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn HURT and KILL dogs cause they
don't have the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit the cunning
of the domestic puppy dog.

Ask her... she's got only WON other option:

SHE LIKES TO HURT DOGS.

Take your pick. Trainers HURT and KILL dogs on accHOWENT
of they ain't got the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit their behaviors,
or they HURT and KILL dogs CAUSE IT MAKES THEM FEEL
PHOWERFUL and IN CONTROL and COMPETENT.

You see the picture or do you need MOORE explainin???

> > > > tell me they have the exact same problem.

INDEEDY. Unless you're physically fit you can't
jerk and choke and intimidate your dog enough
to make IT want to work, like Jive, lyin "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn's SELECTIVELY BRED, HAND
PICKED and TESTED, SAR candidate Jive...

The REASON Jive can't be HURT enough to WORK
a live SAR site is cause the "trainer" don't know WHERE
the dog is makin a MISTAKE, and can't HURT IT when
IT goes off sniffin bunny trails and checkin P-mail insetad
of SEARCHIN.

That's what happened at the Chandra Levy and Elizabeth
Smart search cases. The dogs take the day off cause they
KNOW they ain't gonna GET HURT if they LOOK like they're
TRACKIN.

When the "SAR" dog gets tired and wants to return to his
HOWES for breakfast, he goes to the nearest road an sits,
and sez "HE WENT THATAWAY BY CAR," gets his cookie,
and the day is DONE.

Dogs are smarter than their trainers any day of the week.

> > > > My dogs get more attention and care than anyone else I
know.

Good for you. That's probably cause you spend alot
of time in your HOWES talkin to them.

"If You Talk With The Animals, They Will Talk
With You And You Will Know Each Other. If
You Do Not Talk To Them, You Will Not Know
Them, And What You Do Not Know You Will Fear.

What One Fears, One Destroys," Chief Dan George,
adapted with permission from his FREE copy of my
FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual.

> > > > I am their constant companion.

Even better. Professora Daniel and Sunshine have similar
problems and he works PERFECTLY for her.

> > > I know some rescue people who are pretty "small minded".

Well, you're entertaining them right nHOWE.

> > > But I also know a guy in a wheelchair...

Like Mom Rambo and her dog. Took her WON DAY
to control his hyper barking behavior, and she couldn't
even operate a clicker.

> > > who is a foster for a rescue group.

Dog training is NOT a physical skill you got to learn
at the heel of a master like lying frosty dahl or lying
"I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn or Master Of Deception
blankman would have you believe. They HURT and
INTIMIDATE and KILL dogs cause they FEAR THEM.

They're the RESCUE and SHELTER folks, like paulette
"KIND2DOGS" "TOO MANY NO KILL SHELTERS" nolan.

> > > His wife does the things for the foster dogs
> > > that he is *not* able to do. But he can do things like
letting
> > > the fosters out in the fenced back yard, re-filling the dog
> > > water, brushing the dogs, etc.

IMAGINE?

> > Our GSD rescue has 2 fosters who are in chairs -
> > and one where both adults in the home are blind.

Well, that is remarkable. Of curse, with lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn's RECORD OF LYING abHOWET
EVERY THING she's ever posted here abHOWETS,
whatever she sez is SUSPECT and NOT to be believed
till it's VERIFIED independently.

> > Not only do we also adopt to numerous disabled adopters,
> > we place a number of dogs with Guidedogs for the
> > Blind and with an organization that places protective dogs
> > with victims of violence.

Seems the Guidedogs company breeds their own stock.
Let's ask lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn to SUBSTANTIATE
EVEN WON TIME having SOLD or DONATED a dog to
Guidedogs or any organization. And then ask her HOWE
MUCH she DEDUCTED for the "charitable donation."

You'll find NOTHIN she sez can be substantiated, except
perhaps FRAUD.

> > I would think that any breed rescue for breeds commonly
> > used as assistance dogs would be familiar with how disabled
> > persons live with their dogs and more than happy to adopt to
one.

That so? CITE WON? Of the "RESCUES" your pals
here are involved with not WON knows NUTHIN abHOWET
training. IN FACT, suja, the biggest blowhard of the "RESCUERS"
has experience with only WON dog of her own, ever, and
teaches NEW FOSTER care and "adoption" folks HOWE
to handle and train and manage their new PURCHASE.

> > (within reason - I recently had to turn down an elderly
> > gentleman who had lost both legs who wouldn't consider
> > anything other than a puppy under 4 months old.

Oh. Well, perhaps that's on accHOWENT of he wouldn't
be able to TRAIN IT if he can't lock IT in a box and jerk
and choke IT on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar to
teach IT to be quiet and enjoy his new HOWES:

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

> ================


> > I would have happily adopted an already trained adult dog to
him.)

INDEED? Like that GSD you recently MURDERED on accHOWENT
of IT became FEAR AGGRESSIVE for NO REASON after three
weeks in your "training?"

> > Lynn K.

> It probably depends on the rescue

INDEED? Could be that she's just a freaking MENTAL CASE:

>>lynn kosmakos (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic,
>> depression) will "put down a biter
>> as fast as anyone" yet claims to
>> be a saintly dog rescuer
>>Lynn K. wrote:
>>
>>"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
>>one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
>>schedules and duties causes a great deal of
>>scheduling overhead.
>>
>>And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
>>volunteers get the meaningful experience that
>>they work for.
>>
>>Someone has to be responsible for that
>>Volunteer Program, and it is best done
>>by a non-volunteer."
>>
>>Lynn K.
>>---------------------------------

> and/or the area of the country or world that the person lives
in.

Most dogs are sent to rescues an shelters on accHOWENT
of they're problem dogs or cause they've run HOWET on
their HOWESES. Dogs run HOWET on their HOWESES
for the same same same same reason KIDS run HOWET
on their HOWESES... they ain't HAPPY.

The Puppy Wizard rehabilitates problem behavior in
ALL dogs NEARLY INSTANTLY, all over the Whole
Wild World, through HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual, FOR FREE, from settin right
here, stark ravin nekkid.

That can be taught to these rescues and they'll
reduce their intake by 90% TODAY. The dogs
already in "shelters" can be likeWIZE trained
NEARLY INSTANTLY to get them placed in
nice HOWESES, PROVIDED the new owner
can get the WON HOWER lesson it takes to
LEARN HOWE to pupperly handle and train
a dog withHOWET HURTING INTIMIDATING
or BRIBING and CRATING them.

> In some places in the U.S. it is easier to find a
> dog friendly hotel/motel than it is to find a truly
> handicap accessible one. By that I mean one
> that a wheelchair can get into. Most unless they
> are a major chain have door sills too high for a
> wheelchair but they think they are wheelchair
> accessible.

Yeah.

> And it may depend on the type of dog rescue too.

Most dogs thrown HOWETA HOWESES and into shelters
got NO BUSINESS being there, if the RESCUE organization
knew HOWE to pupperly handle and train their people and dogs.

> GSD rescue would be familiar with guide/service dogs as you
said.

That's HUGELY UNLIKELY.

FurtherMOORE, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn has
a long history of LYING like that to make herself LOOK
like she knows what she's talkin abHOWET.

All she knows abHOWET is HURTIN and KILLIN dogs
and LYING abHOWET it.

> Turbocane

>>
>>"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
>>every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
>>effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
>>older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
>>
>>Should I have refused to groom them?
>>
>>Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
>>had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
>>
>>Lynn K.
>>--------------------------------------

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web
and business partner to lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.

No different tune," ~Emily

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.

Are those MENTAL CASES, or NOT?

Can you tell the TRUTH from a LIE?:

> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting
> > > your dog will often make the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear
> > > biter, neither of which we want to do.

And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:

> > And neither does anyone else,
> > Jerome. No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above
regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who
commented that his bed time calming technique was quite
similar?

> > You're scary Marilyn.

> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
> > individual. I feel very sorry for her
> > and her family.

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.

> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> > doubt, please provide a quote (an
> > original quote, not from one of Jerry
> > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> > shows a regular poster promoting or
> > using an abusive form of training.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk away.
The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore him
and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's
Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled
Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her
Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context,
because you are full of bizarro manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer.

You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in
the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his ears and
climb all over it like a raped ape growling into his throat
and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked
pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel of
your palm.

"BethF" <dawg.RemoveThis@alaska.com> wrote in message
news:ugc7us32ki5fb9@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Frank" <flmarcher.RemoveThis@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:d2f1624e.0206101912.2980eb03@posting.google.com...
> > dfrntdrums.RemoveThis@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message
> > news:<20020610173326.01953.00000597.RemoveThis@mb-fx.aol.com>...
> > > >"brianev" brianev.RemoveThis@attbi.com wrote:
> > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > > AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > > do with their dogs.
> > > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > > the regular posters of this ng do to their
> > > dogs are lies.
> > > All of it. Every last bit.
> > All of it?
> > Ear pinching?
> > Shock collars?
> > Spiked chokers?
> > The regulars lie more in their denials than
> > Howe does in his accusing of them.
:
> Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
> Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
> would see denials when everyone has Jerry
> killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
> let alone respond to them.

"Rocky" <2dogs.RemoveThis@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...

> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?

> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.

> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.

> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?

BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.

"Marshall Dermer" <dermer.RemoveThis@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...

> >Di,

> I don't believe you mentioned a particular
> kind of training. If you are interested in
> training retrieval behavior than do
> consider our own Amy Dahl's:

> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a
> Well-Mannered, Obedient and
> Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a
> Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl

You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?

> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.

> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
> few regulars here who are either ill-
> tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
> --Marshall

Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"

BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...

"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1.RemoveThis@earthlink.net>
rhurwitz.RemoveThis@earthlink.net writes:

>> -snip headers etc.

>> Yes. you're right, I really should find
>> the book.. they don't have these books
>> in the local pet stores I frequent, where
>> do you find Koehler?

> I got a nice large print copy from
> Amazon.com

>Richard

Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:

http://www.powells.com/

Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.

Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,

========================================================

Here's some quotes and some methods right outta your
koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream
"NO!" into its face for 5 seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could
cause. Then he starts to work the dog deliberately
and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned
problems the dog is suspended in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."

Are we havin FUN yet?

Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

The Puppy Wizard. <} : ~ ) >
 >> Stay informed about: My experiences with finding the right dog 
Back to top
Login to vote
Display posts from previous:   
   Pet Problems (Home) -> Dog Breeds All times are: Pacific Time (US & Canada) (change)