pigeon or dove?

geopelia wrote:
> "Bean" <sarahbean RemoveThis @madbbs.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Hi,
>>Hi,
>>I have been keeping doves for a year now so I am fairly new to them. I
>
> have
>
>>one breeding pair that I would say have decent confirmation as fas as I
>
> can
>
>>tell. I recently aquired a new "love dove" according to its past owner.
>
> This
>
>>bird has a slightly larger body then my other male. It also has a shorter
>>neck less refined neck. It is overweight. Is there a way to tell if I have
>
> a
>
>>small pigeon rather than a ringneck dove? It seems to speak the same
>>language as my other doves. Even the pitch of its sounds are the same as
>
> my
>
>>doves. Doesn't sound like a wild barn pigeon. It is a pied bird with a
>
> black
>
>>ring on its neck. Legs are red. The only experience I have with pigeons
>
> are
>
>>the wild ones on the dairy.
>>Thanks for you help,
>>Sarah
>
>
> With a ring on its neck, it would be a pied ringneck dove. I don't know of
> any pigeon with the same black ring. Look at the beak. Does it come straight
> out of the head, without a cere like a budgie has? If so it is a dove.
>
> It is possible though that you have a collared dove, the wild dove
> resembling a ringneck that is spreading all over the world at present. If
> so, the coo is different from the ringneck.
> There are other Streptopelia doves that have the black ring, but they are
> uncommon birds generally kept in aviaries.
>
> Geopelia
>
Hi Geo and Sarah,

Another sure sign of a dove versus a pigeon; doves are a lot more vocal
than pigeons are. At least the one pair of doves my parents had for a
while were much more vocal than the pigeons I've kept (I've kept pigeons
for years).

--
Onorio
 >> Stay informed about: pigeon or dove? 

"Onorio Catenacci" <Nospam.DeleteThis@Nospam.Noway> wrote in message
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> geopelia wrote:
> > "Bean" <sarahbean.DeleteThis@madbbs.com> wrote in message
> > news:d2k0qd014bi@enews1.newsguy.com...
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>Hi,
> >>I have been keeping doves for a year now so I am fairly new to them. I
> >
> > have
> >
> >>one breeding pair that I would say have decent confirmation as fas as I
> >
> > can
> >
> >>tell. I recently aquired a new "love dove" according to its past owner.
> >
> > This
> >
> >>bird has a slightly larger body then my other male. It also has a
shorter
> >>neck less refined neck. It is overweight. Is there a way to tell if I
have
> >
> > a
> >
> >>small pigeon rather than a ringneck dove? It seems to speak the same
> >>language as my other doves. Even the pitch of its sounds are the same as
> >
> > my
> >
> >>doves. Doesn't sound like a wild barn pigeon. It is a pied bird with a
> >
> > black
> >
> >>ring on its neck. Legs are red. The only experience I have with pigeons
> >
> > are
> >
> >>the wild ones on the dairy.
> >>Thanks for you help,
> >>Sarah
> >
> >
> > With a ring on its neck, it would be a pied ringneck dove. I don't know
of
> > any pigeon with the same black ring. Look at the beak. Does it come
straight
> > out of the head, without a cere like a budgie has? If so it is a dove.
> >
> > It is possible though that you have a collared dove, the wild dove
> > resembling a ringneck that is spreading all over the world at present.
If
> > so, the coo is different from the ringneck.
> > There are other Streptopelia doves that have the black ring, but they
are
> > uncommon birds generally kept in aviaries.
> >
> > Geopelia
> >
> Hi Geo and Sarah,
>
> Another sure sign of a dove versus a pigeon; doves are a lot more vocal
> than pigeons are. At least the one pair of doves my parents had for a
> while were much more vocal than the pigeons I've kept (I've kept pigeons
> for years).
>
> --
> Onorio

Doves are certainly vocal. The wild laceneck doves in our garden call all
the time. So do the ringnecks. Even the little diamond doves beep away like
demented computers! The white pigeons just seem to purr quietly like cats.

Geopelia
 >> Stay informed about: pigeon or dove? 

I sometimes wish pigeons were more vocal. The other day a hawk had one
in it's talons and it made no noise at all, if it were not for my
brother being outside the loft and see the hawk take the bird he would
be lunch, luckily he reacted quick and ran the hawk off. If they would
just squawk or something it sure would be easier :-)

~Mickey
 >> Stay informed about: pigeon or dove? 

Thanks for the replies. I think it is a dove, just overweight and has poor
confirmation. I don't know much at all about pigeons. I wasen't sure if they
could have black rings on their necks or not. Definatly no cere. Again, I
wasen't sure if only certain varieties had those or what. If I wasen't a
dairy farmer then I would probably have pigeons. Someday when I retire....
Now my next challenge is to figure out if I can work this bulky dove into my
breeding program for reasons other than his colouration.
Thanks again,
Sarah
 >> Stay informed about: pigeon or dove? 

"Mickey" <visionteacher.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I sometimes wish pigeons were more vocal.

My pigeon loft is next to the hedge, just twelve feet from the neighbors
house. There have been four different families live there in the past
fifteen years. I just met the fourth neighbor for the first time last
Saturday. She told me the same thing as all the others who have live
there....

"I just love listening to your birds."

But also, as all the other neighbors have done, she assigned ownership to
me, of all the other birds we see flying in the neighborhood. I explained
that my birds only get out when I release them, and then they all go back in
when a feed them a short time later.

-Wynn
 >> Stay informed about: pigeon or dove? 

"Bean" <sarahbean.RemoveThis@madbbs.com> wrote in message
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>
> Thanks for the replies. I think it is a dove, just overweight and has poor
> confirmation. I don't know much at all about pigeons. I wasen't sure if
they
> could have black rings on their necks or not. Definatly no cere. Again, I
> wasen't sure if only certain varieties had those or what. If I wasen't a
> dairy farmer then I would probably have pigeons. Someday when I retire....
> Now my next challenge is to figure out if I can work this bulky dove into
my
> breeding program for reasons other than his colouration.
> Thanks again,
> Sarah
>
Is he really fat or just a large bird? Is he just fluffed up against the
cold? Have you felt his breastbone? Have you weighed him, and weighed your
other cock bird? Is there much difference?

At his last home, did he get a chance to fly around? What was he fed?
Sunflower seed is fattening, but doves love it and will eat a lot if they
can. It should be reserved for a treat food.

If he isn't grossly obese, he will slim down with exercise and the right
diet.

Geopelia
 >> Stay informed about: pigeon or dove? 

Just out of interest, how does one weigh doves or pigeons -- or any bird
for that matter.

Malcolm Webb
Keeper of white fantail doves
 >> Stay informed about: pigeon or dove? 

Hi Geopelia,
He isn't cold. They all live in my living room.

He was kept in a small cage that I would have put a parakeet in at the most.
Now he is in a cage that is four times what he was living in.

He is rather fleshy when I feel his frame. I haven't got a scale that
weighs small enough weights for my birds. Perhaps it is something I will
invest in later on.

I doubt he was let out of his cage much before. In his current cage he has
plenty of room to flap his wings and fly some. When I built it, I designed
it more for floor space than flying space. I noticed that my other doves
prefered the floor when they were lose in my house.

His past diet was a variety of seeds designed for their mouse colony. Now I
have him on a fortified wild bird seed, mainly white millet and thistle
seed.

He is very thick through the neck, not fine boned like the other pair and
their offspring. From what I understand from reading the ADA standards a
shorter neck is desirable as long as it blends well. He is not very sleek
looking past his neck. Looks more like a round ball with a tail and wings. I
think what I will do is let him lose the extra weight and then select a hen
that has a desirable shape but perhaps is a bit frail. He does have crooked
toes but I am assumeing this is a result of an envirnment in the past.
Thanks for asking questions and getting me to think a bit more about him.
Sarah
 >> Stay informed about: pigeon or dove? 

ROTFLMAO!!!! This is one I wish I'd hear more often. Unfourtunately for my
neighbors, I'm particularly fond of Guinea Fowl.....LOLOL!!!!

-Me

"WDS" <wdsnews.0505 DeleteThis @oregoncity.com> wrote in message
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> She told me the same thing as all the others who have live
> there....
>
> "I just love listening to your birds."
>
 >> Stay informed about: pigeon or dove? 

"Bean" <sarahbean DeleteThis @madbbs.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Geopelia,
> He isn't cold. They all live in my living room.
>
> He was kept in a small cage that I would have put a parakeet in at the
most.
> Now he is in a cage that is four times what he was living in.
>
> He is rather fleshy when I feel his frame. I haven't got a scale that
> weighs small enough weights for my birds. Perhaps it is something I will
> invest in later on.
>
> I doubt he was let out of his cage much before. In his current cage he has
> plenty of room to flap his wings and fly some. When I built it, I designed
> it more for floor space than flying space. I noticed that my other doves
> prefered the floor when they were lose in my house.
>
> His past diet was a variety of seeds designed for their mouse colony. Now
I
> have him on a fortified wild bird seed, mainly white millet and thistle
> seed.
>
> He is very thick through the neck, not fine boned like the other pair and
> their offspring. From what I understand from reading the ADA standards a
> shorter neck is desirable as long as it blends well. He is not very sleek
> looking past his neck. Looks more like a round ball with a tail and wings.
I
> think what I will do is let him lose the extra weight and then select a
hen
> that has a desirable shape but perhaps is a bit frail. He does have
crooked
> toes but I am assumeing this is a result of an envirnment in the past.
> Thanks for asking questions and getting me to think a bit more about him.
> Sarah
>
Yes, crooked toes could be due to his past life in the cage. Most ringnecks
prefer a flat wider perch rather than a pencil thin round one.
Does he have cuttlebone? Ringnecks don't seem to eat much greenstuff, but he
should have some. Mine get wheat as well as millet.
My ringnecks live as wild birds, and their flight muscles are nearly as hard
as wood. Doves prefer to laze around in the sun and walk about, but they are
marvellous flyers when they are going a long distance, they seem to "row"
themselves through the air, and they are very fast, quite unlike their
fluttering in a cage or aviary.
Don't free him though, he wouldn't have a chance. Free-range doves must be
trained from juveniles.

(A group you might like is the Yahoo one,
groups.yahoo.com/group/doves_as_pets_ and_friends.
It was started by a lady who found a lost dove which now has the run of the
house, where people talk about their pet doves.)

Geopelia (oenacapensis on the Yahoo group)
 >> Stay informed about: pigeon or dove? 

> My pigeon loft is next to the hedge, just twelve feet from the neighbors
> house. There have been four different families live there in the past
> fifteen years. I just met the fourth neighbor for the first time last
> Saturday. She told me the same thing as all the others who have live
> there....
>
> "I just love listening to your birds."
>
> But also, as all the other neighbors have done, she assigned ownership to
> me, of all the other birds we see flying in the neighborhood. I explained
> that my birds only get out when I release them, and then they all go back in
> when a feed them a short time later.
>
Hi Wynn,

I recall seeing a study that the AU commissioned some years ago on how
loud the average pigeon loft is. One of the way that people have used
to force fanciers to get rid of their birds is under the rubric of
nuisance. A nuisance is anything that offends one of the five senses.
If the birds are too loud, they're a nuisance. Of course they're never
that loud to begin with--even when the male is crowing it's not that
loud. But I've seen it over and over again--"Oh, those pigeons are
smelly and they're loud".

--
Onorio
 >> Stay informed about: pigeon or dove? 

"Malcolm Webb" <mfwebb DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Just out of interest, how does one weigh doves or pigeons -- or any bird
> for that matter.
>
> Malcolm Webb
> Keeper of white fantail doves
>
On cooking scales, where they just sit in the pan. Birds are light, so you
need one that weighs small amounts accurately. You might need to put them in
a small cardboard box if they are not tame. (Take the box weight off, of
course!)

Big birds (Ducks etc) can be weighed in a bag with a Salter scale, hanging
underneath. Watch the wildlife programs, they weigh birds a lot.

You could probably use either method for pigeons. I haven't tried weighing
any.

You can tell if a bird is "under weight" or "overweight" by handling it, but
if you are using medication or worming birds you may need the exact weight.

Is there a special pigeon scale for racing pigeons?

Geopelia
 >> Stay informed about: pigeon or dove? 

pigeons are doves. Columbia livia, the Rock Dove. Perhaps you can find some
photos of the dove family online to confirm the species of the bird in
question. If you search by latin and common names, you can find descriptions
and photographs of basically every organism known to science. Mike.
"Bean" <sarahbean DeleteThis @madbbs.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> Hi,
> I have been keeping doves for a year now so I am fairly new to them. I
have
> one breeding pair that I would say have decent confirmation as fas as I
can
> tell. I recently aquired a new "love dove" according to its past owner.
This
> bird has a slightly larger body then my other male. It also has a shorter
> neck less refined neck. It is overweight. Is there a way to tell if I have
a
> small pigeon rather than a ringneck dove? It seems to speak the same
> language as my other doves. Even the pitch of its sounds are the same as
my
> doves. Doesn't sound like a wild barn pigeon. It is a pied bird with a
black
> ring on its neck. Legs are red. The only experience I have with pigeons
are
> the wild ones on the dairy.
> Thanks for you help,
> Sarah
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: pigeon or dove?