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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:10 am
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wildhack <mont....TakeThisOut@wildhack.com.invalid> wrote:
> STJensen <RecreationalPo....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> said:
> > How are they at being guard dogs? How they be at being left alone in
> > a foreign guest room for the good part of a day and given the task of
> > guarding it and not ripping it apart? How light of a sleeper are
> > they? Could they help guard their master as he sleeps? How much of a
> > barker are they? If they're barkers, could one be realistically
> > trained to at most give off one bark? They (sleuth and dog) are
> > guests in a client's house so the dog cannot be barking up a storm all
> > the time.
>
> Setters are not renown for being great guard dogs. Irish Setters that I
> have met (anecdotal info. only) have been happy, social butterfly-type
> goofballs.

I'm sorry. I knew I should have put in "[Great Danes]" after the
first "they" after I posted the reply. The above questions are only
in regards to Great Danes.

Scott

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:22 am
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Do note that the dog breed being discussed below are Great Danes.

diddy <none> wrote:
> STJensen <RecreationalPo....DeleteThis@gmail.com> spoke
> > diddy <none> wrote:
> >> None were ditzy. None airheads. All wonderful dogs, and very
> >> suitable for the character as described.
>
> > How are they at being guard dogs? How they be at being left alone in
> > a foreign guest room for the good part of a day and given the task of
> > guarding it and not ripping it apart?
>
> Depends on their TRAINING. I'm assuming the dog will be trained.

Very well trained and the sleuth will be an excellent master for a
dog. The sleuth will never mistreat the dog nor purposely send it
into peril without a very good (and naturally dramatic) reason. The
sleuth views the dog as both a working guard dog and a companion
(sometimes the only one he trusts where he's at).

> > How light of a sleeper are they? Could they help guard their
> > master as he sleeps?
>
> You bet. They were Kings dogs in their history. They were guard dogs
> that filled EXACTLY that post.

Excellent. How do they compare to Doberman Pinchers for the roles I
am seeking for the sleuth's dog.

> No one but royalty had them, and were given as
> lavish gifts to other royals. A treasured and valued dog.

The history of the breed (whichever dog breed is the sleuth's dog)
will be thoroughly discussed by the sleuth again and again in the
novel series. However, it doesn't have to have a fantastic history or
even much of one. I'm just stating that it will be discussed whatever
history it possesses.

> > How much of a barker are they? If they're barkers, could one
> > be realistically trained to at most give off one bark?
>
> Also depends on training. I happen to own a breed that is considered a
> "barking breed"
>
> My dogs are taught to alert silently. They come up and bump me with their
> nose. Tuck, my current dog, gives one muffled "woof" and looks to me so I
> can acknowledge his alert.

This is the type of communication I'd like the sleuth's dog to have
when it wakes its master at night.

> (They are not Great Danes) But Great Danes are not known to be
> of a barking breed, and if my dogs can be trained, certainly a GD
> can be.

Ah, I see your point. Thanks.

Scott

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:29 am
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montana wildhack <mont....DeleteThis@wildhack.com.invalid> wrote:
> And one more thing: your guard dog should probably be a female dog.

Why?

Scott
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:32 am
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"Suja" <spana... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> and you may want to add Rottweilers to your list.

They still have too vicious of a reputation for what I seek. Deserved
or not.

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:38 am
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montana wildhack <mont....DeleteThis@wildhack.com.invalid> wrote:
> "Suja" <spana....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> said:
> > you may want to add Rottweilers to your list.
>
> Absolutely. People are intimidated by Dobes and Rotties. Their
> reputation precedes them, so there's no surprise element there.
> Ditto GSDs.

From people I've polled, Rotties have too vicious of a reputation for
my story needs. I need people to fear the dog but not soil
themselves.

And what does the "S" stand for in "GSD"? I'm assuming the GD stands
for Great Dane, correct?

> Akitas are also on the list of aloof, one person, protective dogs AND
> they have a really interesting history in the US.

Anyone care to be an advocate for this dog over all the rest? If so,
I'd like to hear it.

Scott
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:42 am
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"Suja" <spanaval.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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>
> Golden Retrievers are only as trainable as IGs and Vizsla? Rottweilers and
> AmStaffs are less trainable than Huskies and Bassets? Rottweilers and
> Mastiffs shed more than Malamutes and Elkhounds respectively? Great Danes
> need more exercise than Belgian Shepherds? Totally ridiculous.
>

As an owner of one of those breeds, and looking at the total list of
conclusions, I'd say someone was smoking something when they slapped up that
website. And you do not have to be an authority on anything to host a
website. Obviously this site is authored by one of those non-authorities.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:45 am
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"Suja" <spana....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you are interested in using a Dane in your book, you may want to
> read up on Jill Swedlow's 'Great Dane: Model of Nobility'. It's
> available in its entirety online, for free:
> http://www.sunstrike-great-danes.com/Model-of-Nobility/model-of-nobil...

Thank you. I have bookmarked it in case I do pick a Great Dane for
the sleuth's dog.

Scott
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:49 am
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montana wildhack <mont... DeleteThis @wildhack.com.invalid> wrote:
> STJensen <RecreationalPo... DeleteThis @gmail.com> said:
> > montana wildhack <mont... DeleteThis @wildhack.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> And one more thing: your guard dog should probably be a female dog.
>
> > Why?
>
> This has been a widely discussed topic in the dog behavior group and it
> seemed as thought there was a consensus that bitches are more serious
> (I understand this is a wide generalization) than males.

Thanks for the information. When I was [do note the past tense]
thinking of having the dog be an Irish Setter, I was going to have it
a female and named Lucy after the Lucille Ball, a famous redhead.

Scott
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diddy <none> wrote:
> STJensen <RecreationalPo... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> > And a manly man's dog? :-)
>
> > Yes, I know the Poodle doesn't have to have that silly puffy ball
> > haircut, but it is viewed by a good chunk of men as a lady's dog.
>
> Well yeah. There's that. And they CAN look like Cujo if they want to. But
> the image isn't normally congruous with the breed.

And people's mental images of the dog breed is one I have to work
with. I could have a Dobie be pure white in my story but I know
people will keep thinking it is black because they've never seen a
white Dobie. As a writer, I can only alter people's perceptions so
far.

> But in spite of their image as a Ladies dog, a Standard poodle was
> orginally created as a hunting dog. A MAN'S dog. And they ARE a
> "REAL DOG" contrary to their looks.

I understand but it would be going too much against their public image
for my story purposes. Not to mention readers having a problem
thinking anyone would fear them.

Scott
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:20 am
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diddy <none> wrote:
> STJensen <RecreationalPo....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > And people's mental images of the dog breed is one I have to work
> > with. I could have a Dobie be pure white in my story but I know
> > people will keep thinking it is black because they've never seen a
> > white Dobie. As a writer, I can only alter people's perceptions so
> > far.
>
> If you are interested in HEALTHY dogs, your sleuth would NOT get a white
> dobie either because of the health linked genetic risks involved.
> Nor would he choose a blue one, or other of the "RARE" colors.
> They are RARE for a reason, because the parent club with vastly more
> experience wants them to be, and wrote them out of their acceptable colors
> and placed them as a disqualification in the breed.
>
> A white doberman, a white GSD a white Boxer, etc, would not fit in your
> standard as a person conscientiously seeking out responsible genetics.>

Yes, if the sleuth gets a purebreed from a respected breeder, he will
be concerned about good genetics in the dog.

As for color, my preference is for the dog to be black or black with a
little brown coloring. However, I am more concerned about the dog
having the right personality traits than what they look like ... for
the most part.

Scott
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:22 am
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diddy <none> spoke these words of wisdom in
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>
>> The detective is an educated manly man and I think a large dog would
>> best suit him. A dog that is of sound solid build but also pleasing
>> to the eye.
>>
>> The gumshoe goes for long walks to think over the case at hand and his
>> dog would come along. They'd play catch or Frisbee on the airport
>> tarmac while waiting for the jet to arrive or a limo to pick them up.
>> The dog would be trained to guard the sleuth's guest room when given
>> the command so it protects evidence he's collected during his
>> investigations. The dog would sleep at the foot of his bed and if an
>> intruder came in at night, the dog would be trained to silently wake
>> the sleuth by tugging at his pajamas and/or pawing him. If the sleuth
>> was attacked, the dog would come to his defense. The dog would also
>> be very friendly with strangers, well-mannered, and lovable. A bit of
>> a nut at times. Loves to rollick and a ham at heart. Women and
>> children openly love the dog and men cannot but smile and want to pet
>> it.
>>
>> Given all this, which breed do you think would be suit this fictional
>> sleuth? My guess is Irish Setter.
>>
>

OK, Since you don't like the Great Dane part, How about the Standard
Poodle. Normally a very clean pet (until it rains, and then your house/car
looks like a sponge painting) super sense of humor, smart, easily
trainable. has a coat that people LOVE to touch. Elegance personified. And
CAN be trained to guard.
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:23 am
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"STJensen" <RecreationalPoker.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message:

> I'm just stating what I've read. I also read at BestDOG (http://
> www.glowdog.com/bestdog/) that Irish Setters have an intelligence
> score of 60 and Great Dane only 30.

I have a Great Dane, and have met plenty of Irish Setters, and I must say
that score (whatever it means) is ass backwards. I am yet to meet an Irish
Setter that comes close to resembling any definition of smart. VERY pretty
dogs, however. Danes are very smart and trainable. They look majestic,
don't require lots of maintenance, are friendly and even tempered, yet
protective when necessary.

> I'm concerned their giant size might be a bit overwhelming in people's
> minds.

Doesn't appear to be the case. My GSD mix is approached with caution by
most people, but even little kids seem totally okay with running up and
hugging a dog that can look them straight in the eye. Size-wise BTW, Danes
can run the gamut. My female Dane is not that massive, at 108 pounds, and
most people I know seem to like the fact that they don't have to bend over
to pet the dog.

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(Msg. 29) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:23 am
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"Suja" <spanaval DeleteThis @yahoo.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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> "STJensen" <RecreationalPoker DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message:
>
>> I'm just stating what I've read. I also read at BestDOG (http://
>> www.glowdog.com/bestdog/) that Irish Setters have an intelligence
>> score of 60 and Great Dane only 30.
>
> I have a Great Dane, and have met plenty of Irish Setters, and I must say
> that score (whatever it means) is ass backwards. I am yet to meet an
Irish
> Setter that comes close to resembling any definition of smart. VERY
pretty
> dogs, however. Danes are very smart and trainable. They look majestic,
> don't require lots of maintenance, are friendly and even tempered, yet
> protective when necessary.
>
I have picked up several Great Danes and moved them from pounds into
rescue. I've been impressed with their majesty. I Love how they float
effortlessly at your side. I feel elegant walking them. They draw (no..
COMMAND) attention. Every one of them that I rescued were gentle giants who
humored the reigning house lord (Danny) and let him tell them how things
should be. He was such a toddling old dog that it was humorous.

None were ditzy. None airheads. All wonderful dogs, and very suitable for
the character as described. The down size of Danes is their very short life
span.

I love being able to walk a dog and rest my hand on their shoulder. I'm a
tall person. Loved the feeling of having the dog walking WITH you, like an
old friend, instead of "down there" like a dog at heel.

I used to admire the Irish Setter, but have been around so many, and never
finding any that I wasn't disgusted with, I'm afraid I would dismiss the
credibility of anyone who found them a noble companion. I see an Irish
Setter, and a ditsy owner is always attached. I think it's hyper ditsy,
superficial beauty appreciators who are attracted to the breed. I can't
say I've ever met an Irish Setter owner who was wise.
My husband hangs around another set of Irish Setter people, and hopes when
they show up, they don't bring their dogs. They always do, and he spends
the next 3-4 months complaining about idiot Irish Setters... and their
owners.
There, I was less politically correct that Suja, but you asked.....



>> I'm concerned their giant size might be a bit overwhelming in people's
>> minds.
>
> Doesn't appear to be the case. My GSD mix is approached with caution by
> most people, but even little kids seem totally okay with running up and
> hugging a dog that can look them straight in the eye. Size-wise BTW,
Danes
> can run the gamut. My female Dane is not that massive, at 108 pounds,
and
> most people I know seem to like the fact that they don't have to bend
over
> to pet the dog.
>
> Suja
>
>
>
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:27 am
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STJensen <RecreationalPoker.RemoveThis@gmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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>
>
> I'm debating that at the moment and leaning to him getting the dog
> from a respected breeder. The reason is that I can see the sleuth be
> interested in and concerned about proper breeding and the elimination
> of genetic problems in the breed through good selective breeding.
>
>

Good for you!
A doberman WOULD be a good choice. They demand attention, and exercise, but
mental gymnastics will also do. Constant companionship suits them well.
I'd also make SURE they did tracking work. Doberman's do that well also. I
don't know why you would leave scent work out of a detective's dog
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