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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:09 pm
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Carrie,
I'll be honest with you.... and I know this is a bit different from losing a
pet.... I took care of someone who was getting ready to go home the next
day. this person was excited and told me stories about their home and their
animals.... the following morning, I come in for my shift and stopped in to
say hi. I noticed this person seemed to be breathing hard. they'd just
gotten out of the shower. within the course of 8 hours, this person went
from being ok to on a cold slab in the morgue for an autopsy. that's just
how fragile life is.... the end result? a pulmonary embolism that had broken
loose and lodged in the heart. in short, the patient "threw a clot".....When
I lost Brogan, we had no idea that she was pregnant.... we got a call at 5
am, I noticed she was asleep at the foot of the bed.... I was petting her,
hung up the phone and lay back down....something just didn't *feel* right so
I literally kicked dh out of bed to turn on the light and whispered
"Brogan's not right! something's not right!" he turned on the light and
there she was.... motionless.... cool to the touch.... (considering we had a
fan on, that didn't seem surprising) so I checked for breathing and a
heartbeat.... nothing.... there hadn't been anything for a good 3 hours but
I didn't know that until I attempted to turn her onto her back for chest
massage and gentle CPR....it would have been futile.... damned shame....
necropsy showed 2 babies caught..... knowing that a litter had to be a bit
bigger than just 2, we searched the apartment.... later that night we let
Snowflake out and within 15 minutes, he found the nest! we lost all the
orphans at 9 days of age. we got conflicting info from our vet and HRS.... I
wish I knew about this group when all this happened.
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"Many have forgotten this truth, but you must not forget it.
You remain responsible, forever, for what you have tamed."
~Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Carrie" <c1arriep2hl3yons.TakeThisOut@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> "Anita" <alc.TakeThisOut@outdoorrabbit.com> wrote in message
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> > Nhu, the foster kids are definitely wanted. And if there are bunnies,
> they
> > are wanted, also. If there are no bunns yet, however, I think you are
in
> > the clear.
> >
> > All the other ages are recorded. (Gosh, this is so much easier than
> chasing
> > critters in the field to get life history data. I did that for a few
> > years.)
> >
> > Nhu, I have a feeling that you, Kim, and I are not alone in our feelings
> > about losing a young rabbit. Losing an older rabbit is difficult
because
> > there is such a strong bond that develops over the years. Losing a
young
> > rabbit is difficult because there is so much guilt.
>
> That's for sure. Midnight was only 14 months old... I still go through in
my
> head wondering if I did more harm than good when I was trying to help
him...
> just so hard to understand. Totally healthy bunny, and then, wham 12 hours
> later, he is dead. So hard to understand.
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:55 pm
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>I don't understand...
>How does that tell you anything about "survivorship"?
Dave, please, we all know this,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Just answer her question if you want.
Daryl
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 12:09 am
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ok foster bunnies:
pepper, butterscotch, and cocoa are males, age and gender unknown, foster
from shelter on 10/11/03.
midnite, mini rex, female, about 8 months that the pet shop told us.
honey bunch, mini lop, male, 5 months
pumkin, mini lop, male, 5 months, honey bunch and pumkin are brothers.
Nhu
"Anita" <alc RemoveThis @outdoorrabbit.com> wrote in message
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> Nhu, the foster kids are definitely wanted. And if there are bunnies,
they
> are wanted, also. If there are no bunns yet, however, I think you are in
> the clear.
>
> All the other ages are recorded. (Gosh, this is so much easier than
chasing
> critters in the field to get life history data. I did that for a few
> years.)
>
> Nhu, I have a feeling that you, Kim, and I are not alone in our feelings
> about losing a young rabbit. Losing an older rabbit is difficult because
> there is such a strong bond that develops over the years. Losing a young
> rabbit is difficult because there is so much guilt.
>
> Anita, Jessie, and Quark
>
> "Nhu" <nhu036 RemoveThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:uSCIb.6092$Do6.2168634@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > i can relate the feeling anita, i loss brownie 31/2 years and not a
singer
> > day not thinking about him, like you said "if i do this and not do that
he
> > may still alive today".
> > snowbelle, hotot, female 3 years old.
> > shadow, netherland dwarf, female 2 years 9mos.
> > jazz, male, holland lop 3 1/2 years.
> > Baby, flemish giant, male 10 month.
> > dont know you want 6 foster kids????
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 12:18 am
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>From: Dave Balderstone dave.TakeThisOut@NOSOCKS.balderstone.ca
>I don't understand... You're gathering the age of live rabbits, rather
>than the age of rabbits who have died.
>
>How does that tell you anything about "survivorship"?
>
A valid point, and exactly what I was thinking, my first bunny who lived on a
60`s diet was put to sleep at the age of 13 by my parents due to me being away
at college, he was a NZW that would have had a far better quality of life if
only I knew then what I know now :(
What do you do when you see an endangered animal eating an endangered plant?
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 12:18 am
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In article <20031231191834.01735.00001246.TakeThisOut@mb-m20.aol.com>, Steverddrf
<steverddrf.TakeThisOut@aol.commotion> wrote:
> >From: Dave Balderstone dave.TakeThisOut@NOSOCKS.balderstone.ca
>
> >I don't understand... You're gathering the age of live rabbits, rather
> >than the age of rabbits who have died.
> >
> >How does that tell you anything about "survivorship"?
> >
>
> A valid point, and exactly what I was thinking, my first bunny who lived on a
> 60`s diet was put to sleep at the age of 13 by my parents due to me being away
> at college, he was a NZW that would have had a far better quality of life if
> only I knew then what I know now :(
To start, I'd like to know what "survivorship" means in this context.
There are only three definitions in my dictionary, one being "the state
of being a survivor" which doesn't seem relevant here, as there is no
common event for our rabbits to have survived.
The second has to do with legal rights of a surving spouse, joint
tenant, business partner or such. Not relevant here, obviously.
The third being "Chance of survivorship, the chance that a person of a
given age has of surviving another of a giving age; thus, by the
Carlisle tables of mortality the chances of survivorship for two
persons, aged 25 and 65, are 89 and 11 respectively, or about 8 to 1
that the elder die first" but if the only point in this exercise is to
gather a snapshot of the demographics of a particular group of rabbits
rather than an ongoing study or rabbit mortality within apr, then that
can't be relevant either.
So, I'm back to "I don't understand"...
djb
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There are no socks in my email address.
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 1:43 am
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I know Maxwell is at least 3, but I think hes a lot older. He just seems
older. His behavior is so consistent. He seems set in his ways.
Rob
"Anita" <alc.RemoveThis@outdoorrabbit.com> wrote in message
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> A while back we did a count on RabbitVet of rabbit ages. I don't know
what
> the outcome was. What I would like to do is to do is to do a survivorship
> curve. It is kind of hard to explain why I want to do one. I guess the
> easiest explanation is trying to deal with the loss of a young rabbit.
When
> Toofer died, I felt like he had been cheated out of all of those years.
He
> should have lived to at least 10. I had so much guilt that something I
had
> done, or hadn't done, had robbed him of those years.
>
> What I want to do is to chart the ages of pet rabbits (Sorry, D,
cottontails
> not included). I thought I would combine our rabbits' ages with the
results
> on RabbitVet and construct the curve. If everyone (including lurkers)
would
> post their rabbits' ages here or email the ages to me at acaudle.RemoveThis@gate.net
it
> will be most appreciated. If the rabbit is less than two years, give the
> approximate age in months. If more than two years, give the age in years.
> If you know, you can also give the breed and gender. That will be some
good
> information.
>
> To start things off -- Jessie, NZ white (mix?) female, 2 years
> Quark, California mix male, 7 months
>
> Anita, Jessie, and Quark
>
> >> Stay informed about: How old are your rabbits? |
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 6:55 am
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Anita ... I am really curious as to what kind of chart you are doing
and what "the curve" is going to show. Is there a link to the
information on RabbitVet so we could see what information you are
combining with the information on our bunnies? Curiosity has just
gotten the best of me :-)
--
Dori ... BB and Cissy
email = dorineu at writeme dot com
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"Anita" <alc.DeleteThis@outdoorrabbit.com> wrote in message...
A while back we did a count on RabbitVet of rabbit ages. I don't know
what the outcome was. What I would like to do is to do is to do a
survivorship curve. It is kind of hard to explain why I want to do
one. I guess the easiest explanation is trying to deal with the loss
of a young rabbit.
When Toofer died, I felt like he had been cheated out of all of those
years. He should have lived to at least 10. I had so much guilt that
something I had done, or hadn't done, had robbed him of those years.
What I want to do is to chart the ages of pet rabbits (Sorry, D,
cottontails not included). I thought I would combine our rabbits'
ages with the results on RabbitVet and construct the curve. If
everyone (including lurkers) would post their rabbits' ages here or
email the ages to me at acaudle.DeleteThis@gate.net it will be most appreciated.
If the rabbit is less than two years, give the approximate age in
months. If more than two years, give the age in years. If you know,
you can also give the breed and gender. That will be some
good information.
To start things off -- Jessie, NZ white (mix?) female, 2 years
Quark, California mix male, 7
months
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 8:26 am
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 8:29 am
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:48 am
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Hmm, Okay, here goes, it's a long list. 20 rabbits to name off. Aprox means
give or take a month.
Estimated is just that, an educated guess based on how long they have been
fostered, plus how old I guessed them to be when they arrived.
Mule Adams- 2 years old
Pops- Rescued late in 99, that makes him at least 4 1/2 years old. Full grown
when we got him
Samantha- 1 year old
Cassandra- 1 year old
Snowball- 3 1/2 years old
Dusty- 20 months aprox
Arrow- 20 months aprox
Hansel- 2 years 6 months aprox
Gretel- 2 years 6 months aprox
Sylvia- estimated age 1 year
Doodle- estimated age 2 years
Sadie- 2 3/4 years old
Frisk- 3 years 3 months old
Betty- 1 year old
Boop- 7 1/2 months old
Paul- 2 1/2 years old
Twinkle- 10.5 months
Thumper- 2 1/2 year old
Benny-estimated age 1 year
Angela (Aol.com doesn't hop!)
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 1:57 pm
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our minilip Max is approx 7.5 and a sleepy little old man. He still loves
his veggies and petting, but has definitely slowed down.
Pat, Max's mom
"Anita" <alc DeleteThis @outdoorrabbit.com> wrote in message
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> A while back we did a count on RabbitVet of rabbit ages. I don't know
what
> the outcome was. What I would like to do is to do is to do a survivorship
> curve. It is kind of hard to explain why I want to do one. I guess the
> easiest explanation is trying to deal with the loss of a young rabbit.
When
> Toofer died, I felt like he had been cheated out of all of those years.
He
> should have lived to at least 10. I had so much guilt that something I
had
> done, or hadn't done, had robbed him of those years.
>
> What I want to do is to chart the ages of pet rabbits (Sorry, D,
cottontails
> not included). I thought I would combine our rabbits' ages with the
results
> on RabbitVet and construct the curve. If everyone (including lurkers)
would
> post their rabbits' ages here or email the ages to me at acaudle DeleteThis @gate.net
it
> will be most appreciated. If the rabbit is less than two years, give the
> approximate age in months. If more than two years, give the age in years.
> If you know, you can also give the breed and gender. That will be some
good
> information.
>
> To start things off -- Jessie, NZ white (mix?) female, 2 years
> Quark, California mix male, 7 months
>
> Anita, Jessie, and Quark
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: How old are your rabbits? |
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 1:58 pm
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Are you saying that spoiled food may have killed Rocky?
I assure you this is not the case. I only feed my rabbits fresh pellets. I
throw them out if I have had them too long. I wash all veggies before giving
them and I look over the hay before giving it to them. Also Chloe and him
were bonded and she had no symptoms of any problem what so ever. A necropsy
was performed on Rocky and showed he died from his stomach twisting and
expanding and cutting off circulation to vital organs causing him to go into
shock. It is similar to bloat in dogs. The vets do not know the cause for it
but I have been told by several different vets that there was nothing I
could have done and it just happens sometimes. This has been a very hard
thing for me to accept and some days I still have a hard time accepting it
so to have someone suggest I fed Rocky something that killed him is very
hard for me to take.
Kim
"Professor" <magic-ny RemoveThis @earthlink.net.nojunk> wrote in message
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> Sounds like spoiled food.
> --
> Professor Sparkle & The Magic Rabbits
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 2:01 pm
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> just so hard to understand. Totally healthy bunny, and then, wham 12 hours
> later, he is dead. So hard to understand.
>
I know exactly how you feel. Rocky was fine less than 12 hours before he
died in my arms.
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 2:28 pm
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Thanks, Kathryn. I thought I should start notifying people by email that I
had gotten the information. It will keep the thread from becoming a
monster.
I didn't realize that Snowflake was an elderbunn. Way to go!
Anita
"slykitten" <noway.TakeThisOut@inyour.dreams> wrote in message
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> Angelbunny Snowflake- approximately 9 years old, male
> Angelbunny Taz- approximately 5 years old, male
> Angelbunny Brogan- approximately 4 years old, female
> All were intact....
>
> Current bunnies:
> Sgt. Major Todd- age approximated at 6 years, male, neutered
> Trixie- 8 years old, female, spayed
> Jager- age approximated at 4 years, male, intact
> Precious- 6 years old, female, intact
> Whiskey- age approximated at 8 years, male, neutered
>
> --
> "Many have forgotten this truth, but you must not forget it.
> You remain responsible, forever, for what you have tamed."
> ~Antoine de Saint-Exupery
> "Anita" <alc.TakeThisOut@outdoorrabbit.com> wrote in message
> news:fTBIb.2360$6B.1426@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > A while back we did a count on RabbitVet of rabbit ages. I don't know
> what
> > the outcome was. What I would like to do is to do is to do a
survivorship
> > curve. It is kind of hard to explain why I want to do one. I guess the
> > easiest explanation is trying to deal with the loss of a young rabbit.
> When
> > Toofer died, I felt like he had been cheated out of all of those years.
> He
> > should have lived to at least 10. I had so much guilt that something I
> had
> > done, or hadn't done, had robbed him of those years.
> >
> > What I want to do is to chart the ages of pet rabbits (Sorry, D,
> cottontails
> > not included). I thought I would combine our rabbits' ages with the
> results
> > on RabbitVet and construct the curve. If everyone (including lurkers)
> would
> > post their rabbits' ages here or email the ages to me at
acaudle.TakeThisOut@gate.net
> it
> > will be most appreciated. If the rabbit is less than two years, give
the
> > approximate age in months. If more than two years, give the age in
years.
> > If you know, you can also give the breed and gender. That will be some
> good
> > information.
> >
> > To start things off -- Jessie, NZ white (mix?) female, 2 years
> > Quark, California mix male, 7 months
> >
> > Anita, Jessie, and Quark
> >
> >
>
> >> Stay informed about: How old are your rabbits? |
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 2:52 pm
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that so sad.
Nhu
"slykitten" <noway DeleteThis @inyour.dreams> wrote in message
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> Carrie,
> I'll be honest with you.... and I know this is a bit different from losing
a
> pet.... I took care of someone who was getting ready to go home the next
> day. this person was excited and told me stories about their home and
their
> animals.... the following morning, I come in for my shift and stopped in
to
> say hi. I noticed this person seemed to be breathing hard. they'd just
> gotten out of the shower. within the course of 8 hours, this person went
> from being ok to on a cold slab in the morgue for an autopsy. that's just
> how fragile life is.... the end result? a pulmonary embolism that had
broken
> loose and lodged in the heart. in short, the patient "threw a
clot".....When
> I lost Brogan, we had no idea that she was pregnant.... we got a call at 5
> am, I noticed she was asleep at the foot of the bed.... I was petting her,
> hung up the phone and lay back down....something just didn't *feel* right
so
> I literally kicked dh out of bed to turn on the light and whispered
> "Brogan's not right! something's not right!" he turned on the light and
> there she was.... motionless.... cool to the touch.... (considering we had
a
> fan on, that didn't seem surprising) so I checked for breathing and a
> heartbeat.... nothing.... there hadn't been anything for a good 3 hours
but
> I didn't know that until I attempted to turn her onto her back for chest
> massage and gentle CPR....it would have been futile.... damned shame....
> necropsy showed 2 babies caught..... knowing that a litter had to be a bit
> bigger than just 2, we searched the apartment.... later that night we let
> Snowflake out and within 15 minutes, he found the nest! we lost all the
> orphans at 9 days of age. we got conflicting info from our vet and HRS....
I
> wish I knew about this group when all this happened.
>
> --
> "Many have forgotten this truth, but you must not forget it.
> You remain responsible, forever, for what you have tamed."
> ~Antoine de Saint-Exupery
> "Carrie" <c1arriep2hl3yons DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:bsvkv4$s1v$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > "Anita" <alc DeleteThis @outdoorrabbit.com> wrote in message
> > news:QLHIb.17378$IM3.5332@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > > Nhu, the foster kids are definitely wanted. And if there are bunnies,
> > they
> > > are wanted, also. If there are no bunns yet, however, I think you are
> in
> > > the clear.
> > >
> > > All the other ages are recorded. (Gosh, this is so much easier than
> > chasing
> > > critters in the field to get life history data. I did that for a few
> > > years.)
> > >
> > > Nhu, I have a feeling that you, Kim, and I are not alone in our
feelings
> > > about losing a young rabbit. Losing an older rabbit is difficult
> because
> > > there is such a strong bond that develops over the years. Losing a
> young
> > > rabbit is difficult because there is so much guilt.
> >
> > That's for sure. Midnight was only 14 months old... I still go through
in
> my
> > head wondering if I did more harm than good when I was trying to help
> him...
> > just so hard to understand. Totally healthy bunny, and then, wham 12
hours
> > later, he is dead. So hard to understand.
> >
> >
>
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