NEW BREEDS

"Robin Nuttall" <robinjn DeleteThis @mchsi.com> wrote in message
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> Dee wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me how long it takes for a new breed to get AKC
>> recognized, The reason I am asking, is why are so many people going
>> nuts, trying to invent new breeds, ie. puggle
>>
>
> They aren't trying to invent new breeds. Instead, they've found a
> marketing ploy to get suckers to pay big bucks for mixes. None of those
> so-called designer breeds is a breed--they're an F1 cross of two purebreds
> (and likely poor quality ones at that). A breed is a breed when it breeds
> true (produces dogs that look like the parents) over several generations.
>
> And it takes years to become an AKC breed.

All I can say is that I am sick to damned death of Puggles.

I see them absolutely *everywhere*. Beagles are awesome. Pugs are amazing.
But there is no reason in the world to combine them. Its not like they have
complementary temperaments, strengths or structure. Its just bizarre.

Tara
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 04:26:42 GMT, "TaraG" <taragreen2 RemoveThis @verizon.net>,
clicked their heels and said:

>
>I see them absolutely *everywhere*. Beagles are awesome. Pugs are amazing.
>But there is no reason in the world to combine them. Its not like they have
>complementary temperaments, strengths or structure. Its just bizarre.

You and me both! I'm getting more and more of them. So ugly they're
cute?

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TaraG wrote:


> All I can say is that I am sick to damned death of Puggles.
>
> I see them absolutely *everywhere*. Beagles are awesome. Pugs are amazing.
> But there is no reason in the world to combine them. Its not like they have
> complementary temperaments, strengths or structure. Its just bizarre.

But it's such.a.cute.name! I think that's all it takes. "oooooo, if we
combined beagles and pugs we could call them puggles! Cool name! Let's
do it!"

gag me.
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TaraG wrote:
> "Robin Nuttall" <robinjn.TakeThisOut@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:prlRg.202951$1i1.3458@attbi_s72...
> > Dee wrote:
> >> Can anyone tell me how long it takes for a new breed to get AKC
> >> recognized, The reason I am asking, is why are so many people going
> >> nuts, trying to invent new breeds, ie. puggle
> >>
> >
> > They aren't trying to invent new breeds. Instead, they've found a
> > marketing ploy to get suckers to pay big bucks for mixes. None of those
> > so-called designer breeds is a breed--they're an F1 cross of two purebreds
> > (and likely poor quality ones at that). A breed is a breed when it breeds
> > true (produces dogs that look like the parents) over several generations.
> >
> > And it takes years to become an AKC breed.
>
> All I can say is that I am sick to damned death of Puggles.
>
> I see them absolutely *everywhere*. Beagles are awesome. Pugs are amazing.
> But there is no reason in the world to combine them. Its not like they have
> complementary temperaments, strengths or structure. Its just bizarre.
>
> Tara

But don't you want a chubby looking beagle thing that still has the
beagle bark... because if you get a puggle you just might get one. Or
you might get a stretched out looking pug that makes a little woof
sound.

I personally hate them, and don't see why people can be so stupid to
actually get them.
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Rocky wrote:
> "the.longest.username.available@gmail.com"
> <the.longest.username.available.DeleteThis@gmail.com> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
>
> > But don't you want a chubby looking beagle thing that still
> > has the beagle bark... because if you get a puggle you just
> > might get one. Or you might get a stretched out looking
> > pug that makes a little woof sound.
> >
> > I personally hate them, and don't see why people can be so
> > stupid to actually get them.
>
> That's pretty nasty. Some of us get our first dogs from
> questionable sources but are willing to learn.
>
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.


Sorry, I wasn't meaning it towards people getting dogs from
questionable sources. I was meaning it towards people allowing
themselves to get pulled into the whole designer dog craze. My first
cairn terriers were from questionable back yard breeders, but I've
since learned why that was a bad idea. Since then I have only gotten
one dog, and he is a rescue mutt. My next dog will be from a reputable
breeder after my ugly mutt is no longer with me, which hopefully will
be a long time from now.
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Amy Dahl wrote:
> "the.longest.username.available@gmail.com" wrote:
>
> >
> > Sorry, I wasn't meaning it towards people getting dogs from
> > questionable sources. I was meaning it towards people allowing
> > themselves to get pulled into the whole designer dog craze. My first
> > cairn terriers were from questionable back yard breeders, but I've
> > since learned why that was a bad idea. Since then I have only gotten
> > one dog, and he is a rescue mutt. My next dog will be from a reputable
> > breeder after my ugly mutt is no longer with me, which hopefully will
> > be a long time from now.
>
> Don't place too high expectations on those "reputable breeders."
> Not only can no two people agree on a definition for the term,
> the most carefully researched breeding is still subject to chance.
> (Speaking as a breeder who tries hard to produce good dogs.)
>
> Hope ugly mutt is with you for a long time.
>
> Amy Dahl

Don't worry, I'm aware of the chance involved in a breeding. As far as
I am concerned, the only definition of the term reputable breeder that
matters is my personal definition. I will be the person aquiring a dog
after all. As long as they follow my standards, then the chance for a
problem dog should be lower in theory. And obviously, I wouldn't hold
anything against the breeder if it doesn't turn out that way, because
if they followed my standards, then they did everything they could have
been reasonably expected to do.
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"the.longest.username.available@gmail.com"
<the.longest.username.available.DeleteThis@gmail.com> said in
rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

> But don't you want a chubby looking beagle thing that still
> has the beagle bark... because if you get a puggle you just
> might get one. Or you might get a stretched out looking
> pug that makes a little woof sound.
>
> I personally hate them, and don't see why people can be so
> stupid to actually get them.

That's pretty nasty. Some of us get our first dogs from
questionable sources but are willing to learn.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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"the.longest.username.available@gmail.com" wrote:

>
> Sorry, I wasn't meaning it towards people getting dogs from
> questionable sources. I was meaning it towards people allowing
> themselves to get pulled into the whole designer dog craze. My first
> cairn terriers were from questionable back yard breeders, but I've
> since learned why that was a bad idea. Since then I have only gotten
> one dog, and he is a rescue mutt. My next dog will be from a reputable
> breeder after my ugly mutt is no longer with me, which hopefully will
> be a long time from now.

Don't place too high expectations on those "reputable breeders."
Not only can no two people agree on a definition for the term,
the most carefully researched breeding is still subject to chance.
(Speaking as a breeder who tries hard to produce good dogs.)

Hope ugly mutt is with you for a long time.

Amy Dahl
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"Dee" <dee121851 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in news:1159054471.457952.82960
@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:

> Can anyone tell me how long it takes for a new breed to get AKC
> recognized

For a breed that's only new to AKC, several years. Vallhunds have
been in the Foundation Stock Service since 2000 or before and are not
yet in the herding group.

For an actual new breed? You'd first have the hard part of
convincing people that your dogs were a new breed instead of mutts.
A big thing here would be having characteristics that breed true,
which puggle and schnoodles and polden retroodles and other cleverly-
named mutts don't.

AKC recognition doesn't mean anything particularly good or
noteworthy. About the best you can say is that it means that you
might see the dog on tv-aired dog shows. But you also might not --
Vallhunds are in Crufts, but the vallhund is usually one of the dogs
that's edited out for time.

Some dog breeds do perfectly well in the US with UKC or ARBA as their
primary registering bodies. If anything, UKC seems a bit better run
than AKC.

--
Jim Battista
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
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