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J.L. Thomas

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Since: Jul 19, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 3:28 am
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hi. um, my friend's snake is living with us, and my
friend's been feeding him crickets. oh, it's a garter
snake, probably 15 inches long. and he hasn't been eating
the crickets, and looked pretty lethargic, and i was worried
about the snake.

so i looked up some information about what garter snakes
eat, and it said pretty much anything they could catch, and
mentioned worms at the top of the list. so i went out to my
yard and dug up some worms, and was looking for potato bugs
or other grubs, but all i found was worms.

i gave the worms to my friend, and he put them in the cage.
the snake didn't move for a couple of minutes, but then he
started moving a bit, so i watched close, and then he moved
really fast towards the first worm and started eating it
really ferociously! i haven't seen this snake move that
fast in the 2 months he's lived with us.

anyway, he went after a second worm while he still had the
first one in his mouth, and it was kinda funny, cuz he
couldn't figure out how to bite the 2nd one to keep it from
slithering away, cuz his mouth was too full with the first
worm hanging out the side of his mouth.

but he ate both worms yesterday morning, and seemed pretty
content yesterday. i noticed him a few hours ago shifting
around a bit and saw him put his head down on one of his
coils. When I came back a hour ago, he was in the same
exact position. I got a *little* worried about him, but i
know that sometimes I worry too much, but i asked my friend
to check on him to make sure he was ok.

my friend picked him up and his tail hung limp, and his neck
and head are in the exact same position they'd been in in
the cage. he didn't move at all. my friend got kinda
upset, too, and we're all pretty sure the snake is dead.
he's back in his cage, neck and head in the same position,
and still hasn't moved.

so i guess my first question is: could he be hibernating or
something? ...please?

:((

my second question is: is it possible that the snake *was*
starving cuz he doesn't like crickets or something, and
eating 2 worms was too much of a shock to his system?

i'm trying pretty hard not to feel *horribly horribly
guilty* for giving the snake worms that killed him, but it's
pretty tough. i feel just awful for my friend, and i really
liked the snake, too. he would crawl in my hair and it
tickled. i don't *want* him to be dead!

i really don't know too much about pet snakes, so anything
anyone can tell me i'd really appreciate.

thanks.

Jenny

--
"It is astonishing, really, how many thoroughly mature,
well-adjusted grown-ups harbor a teddy bear -- which is
perhaps why they are thoroughly mature and well-adjusted."
-- Joseph Lempa

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 1:07 pm
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"J.L. Thomas" <jtdgreat RemoveThis @adelphia.net> wrote...
> i'm trying pretty hard not to feel *horribly horribly
> guilty* for giving the snake worms that killed him, but it's
> pretty tough. i feel just awful for my friend, and i really
> liked the snake, too. he would crawl in my hair and it
> tickled. i don't *want* him to be dead!

Sounds dead to me. Take it out and check it out. If it's dead it should
become very obvious very quickly. They don't hibernate in the summer.

It also sounds like you gave him worms from your yard, where more than
likely they've been filtering dirt filled with fertilizer and pesticides.
You know worms filter dirt, right? They store up whatever mineral or toxin
content was in the dirt in their bodies.

I buy organic worms from my local bait shop, where they assure me they only
use plain fertilizer-free potting soil and feed the worms leafy greens.
They're cheap.

Buy him another garter and some fresh bait-shop worms to make up for the one
lost, and you will all feel better. It is good to learn from our mistakes!

fr0glet

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:20 pm
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try posting on rec.pets.herp as they would know more of what went wrong but
i have 8 gartersnakes and they eat fish, worms, frogs, toads, and other
amphibians and they dont eat bugs or grubs or any of those things. my guess
is the worms were too much of a shock on his system seein as how he wasnt
eating for 2 months also tho snakes have been known to go months without
eating and when they start back up again they are ok as long as during thier
fast they arent loosing weight. its also possible that the worms had
pesticides or some other toxic substance on them.
"J.L. Thomas" <jtdgreat DeleteThis @adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:hV2Sa.5066$KZ.1897584@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> hi. um, my friend's snake is living with us, and my
> friend's been feeding him crickets. oh, it's a garter
> snake, probably 15 inches long. and he hasn't been eating
> the crickets, and looked pretty lethargic, and i was worried
> about the snake.
>
> so i looked up some information about what garter snakes
> eat, and it said pretty much anything they could catch, and
> mentioned worms at the top of the list. so i went out to my
> yard and dug up some worms, and was looking for potato bugs
> or other grubs, but all i found was worms.
>
> i gave the worms to my friend, and he put them in the cage.
> the snake didn't move for a couple of minutes, but then he
> started moving a bit, so i watched close, and then he moved
> really fast towards the first worm and started eating it
> really ferociously! i haven't seen this snake move that
> fast in the 2 months he's lived with us.
>
> anyway, he went after a second worm while he still had the
> first one in his mouth, and it was kinda funny, cuz he
> couldn't figure out how to bite the 2nd one to keep it from
> slithering away, cuz his mouth was too full with the first
> worm hanging out the side of his mouth.
>
> but he ate both worms yesterday morning, and seemed pretty
> content yesterday. i noticed him a few hours ago shifting
> around a bit and saw him put his head down on one of his
> coils. When I came back a hour ago, he was in the same
> exact position. I got a *little* worried about him, but i
> know that sometimes I worry too much, but i asked my friend
> to check on him to make sure he was ok.
>
> my friend picked him up and his tail hung limp, and his neck
> and head are in the exact same position they'd been in in
> the cage. he didn't move at all. my friend got kinda
> upset, too, and we're all pretty sure the snake is dead.
> he's back in his cage, neck and head in the same position,
> and still hasn't moved.
>
> so i guess my first question is: could he be hibernating or
> something? ...please?
>
> :((
>
> my second question is: is it possible that the snake *was*
> starving cuz he doesn't like crickets or something, and
> eating 2 worms was too much of a shock to his system?
>
> i'm trying pretty hard not to feel *horribly horribly
> guilty* for giving the snake worms that killed him, but it's
> pretty tough. i feel just awful for my friend, and i really
> liked the snake, too. he would crawl in my hair and it
> tickled. i don't *want* him to be dead!
>
> i really don't know too much about pet snakes, so anything
> anyone can tell me i'd really appreciate.
>
> thanks.
>
> Jenny
>
> --
> "It is astonishing, really, how many thoroughly mature,
> well-adjusted grown-ups harbor a teddy bear -- which is
> perhaps why they are thoroughly mature and well-adjusted."
> -- Joseph Lempa
>
>
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J.L. Thomas

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 4:55 am
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thank you for your reply.

i did a little more research, and it said that garter snakes
are expected to live abt 2 years in the wild, but more in
captivity, and my friend found the snake in his yard last
year, so there was no way of knowing how old the snake was
then.

i wondered if maybe the snake just didn't like crickets and
that's why he wasn't eating. but i guess he *had* been
eating them til the last month or two.

i kinda figure the combination of having lived wild for at
least a year (thus shortening his maximum lifespan
considerably), plus being fed crickets that he probably
didn't like much, then gorging himself on worms that might
have had pesticides in them, probably did him in.

i feel really bad that i didn't think about pesticides. i
know that we don't put any on our lawn, but it's only been
our lawn for 2 years...though it hadn't been taken care of
properly before then, so i don't know how long it's been
since it had chemicals put on it.

thanks again.

Jenny

"blove" <blove.TakeThisOut@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:sscSa.147016$8B.109950@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> try posting on rec.pets.herp as they would know more of
what went wrong but
> i have 8 gartersnakes and they eat fish, worms, frogs,
toads, and other
> amphibians and they dont eat bugs or grubs or any of those
things. my guess
> is the worms were too much of a shock on his system seein
as how he wasnt
> eating for 2 months also tho snakes have been known to go
months without
> eating and when they start back up again they are ok as
long as during thier
> fast they arent loosing weight. its also possible that
the worms had
> pesticides or some other toxic substance on them.
> "J.L. Thomas" <jtdgreat.TakeThisOut@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:hV2Sa.5066$KZ.1897584@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> > hi. um, my friend's snake is living with us, and my
> > friend's been feeding him crickets. oh, it's a garter
> > snake, probably 15 inches long. and he hasn't been
eating
> > the crickets, and looked pretty lethargic, and i was
worried
> > about the snake.
> >
> > so i looked up some information about what garter snakes
> > eat, and it said pretty much anything they could catch,
and
> > mentioned worms at the top of the list. so i went out
to my
> > yard and dug up some worms, and was looking for potato
bugs
> > or other grubs, but all i found was worms.
> >
> > i gave the worms to my friend, and he put them in the
cage.
> > the snake didn't move for a couple of minutes, but then
he
> > started moving a bit, so i watched close, and then he
moved
> > really fast towards the first worm and started eating it
> > really ferociously! i haven't seen this snake move that
> > fast in the 2 months he's lived with us.
> >
> > anyway, he went after a second worm while he still had
the
> > first one in his mouth, and it was kinda funny, cuz he
> > couldn't figure out how to bite the 2nd one to keep it
from
> > slithering away, cuz his mouth was too full with the
first
> > worm hanging out the side of his mouth.
> >
> > but he ate both worms yesterday morning, and seemed
pretty
> > content yesterday. i noticed him a few hours ago
shifting
> > around a bit and saw him put his head down on one of his
> > coils. When I came back a hour ago, he was in the same
> > exact position. I got a *little* worried about him, but
i
> > know that sometimes I worry too much, but i asked my
friend
> > to check on him to make sure he was ok.
> >
> > my friend picked him up and his tail hung limp, and his
neck
> > and head are in the exact same position they'd been in
in
> > the cage. he didn't move at all. my friend got kinda
> > upset, too, and we're all pretty sure the snake is dead.
> > he's back in his cage, neck and head in the same
position,
> > and still hasn't moved.
> >
> > so i guess my first question is: could he be hibernating
or
> > something? ...please?
> >
> > :((
> >
> > my second question is: is it possible that the snake
*was*
> > starving cuz he doesn't like crickets or something, and
> > eating 2 worms was too much of a shock to his system?
> >
> > i'm trying pretty hard not to feel *horribly horribly
> > guilty* for giving the snake worms that killed him, but
it's
> > pretty tough. i feel just awful for my friend, and i
really
> > liked the snake, too. he would crawl in my hair and it
> > tickled. i don't *want* him to be dead!
> >
> > i really don't know too much about pet snakes, so
anything
> > anyone can tell me i'd really appreciate.
> >
> > thanks.
> >
> > Jenny
> >
> > --
> > "It is astonishing, really, how many thoroughly mature,
> > well-adjusted grown-ups harbor a teddy bear -- which is
> > perhaps why they are thoroughly mature and
well-adjusted."
> > -- Joseph Lempa
> >
> >
>
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 5:12 am
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hi there. :)

"fr0glet" <fr0glet.RemoveThis@fr0glet.hates.spambots.org> wrote in
message news:vhj8sut5ps1re1@corp.supernews.com...
> "J.L. Thomas" <jtdgreat.RemoveThis@adelphia.net> wrote...
> > i'm trying pretty hard not to feel *horribly horribly
> > guilty* for giving the snake worms that killed him, but
it's
> > pretty tough. i feel just awful for my friend, and i
really
> > liked the snake, too. he would crawl in my hair and it
> > tickled. i don't *want* him to be dead!
>
> Sounds dead to me. Take it out and check it out. If it's
dead it should
> become very obvious very quickly. They don't hibernate in
the summer.

we buried him this morning.

>
> It also sounds like you gave him worms from your yard,
where more than
> likely they've been filtering dirt filled with fertilizer
and pesticides.
> You know worms filter dirt, right? They store up whatever
mineral or toxin
> content was in the dirt in their bodies.

i guess i probably learned that in school, but it's been a
*looooong* time. ;)

we don't put chemicals on our lawn, and it wasn't taken care
of well for years b4 we moved in (2 years ago), but that
doesn't mean anything, i guess.

i feel pretty horribly guilty again, but...

thank you for your advice and information. it helps to know
a bit more about what might have happened.

Jenny

>
> I buy organic worms from my local bait shop, where they
assure me they only
> use plain fertilizer-free potting soil and feed the worms
leafy greens.
> They're cheap.
>
> Buy him another garter and some fresh bait-shop worms to
make up for the one
> lost, and you will all feel better. It is good to learn
from our mistakes!
>
> fr0glet
>
>
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