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Bobby77501

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 7:26 pm
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I have several problems with my African Grey:

1. Her dander gets all over the house. Is there any way to reduce the
amount of dander she has - or to get rid of it before it proagates
throughout the house?

2. She has eaten all her red tail feathers off - and looks rather shaggy
all over. My vet says she is perfectly healthy - but has no explanation for
her feathers.

3. She has a rather large cage - but is spoiled and insists on being
outside the cage when anyone is at home. If we leave her inside thcage, she
squeaks constantly. The squeaking is very annoying. Also, although she has
a perch on top of the cage, she'd rather perch on the edge of the cage and,
therefore, she poops on the floor. She has become far too much "work" to
keep and it is embarrasing when someone pops in unexpectedly.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to "fix" any of these problems?
Thanks........

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Lorraine

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:03 pm
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I think you have a number of problems, one of which being your apparent
inexperience with large birds. I am not saying this to sound 'holier than
thou' but just to state what appears to be a simple fact.

1) read my next post on "dust"


> 2. She has eaten all her red tail feathers off - and looks rather shaggy
> all over. My vet says she is perfectly healthy - but has no explanation
for
> her feathers.

She may be healthy but seems bored to me.... maybe lack of personal time,
or lack of toys, or poor diet, or all or any of those. is terms of time, you
need to plan to spend at least one half hour per day in a personal
relationship by which I mean petting, talking to the bird, etc. Your bird
also need to know you are 'there' at least 4 hours per day, meaning that
although you are not actively talking to or petting your bird, the bird can
see and hear you and be a part of your life. In terms of toys, your bird
needs some permanent toys which are usually made of unbreakable plexiglass
and also it needs some disposable toys such as wood and rope chew toys. In
terms of diet, your bird needs basically a diet of bird pellets,
supplemented with raw fruit and vegetable. Clean water and a clean cage at
all times..

Unless, of course, you are mistaking 'eating' her red feathers for normal
moulting of the feathers. If that is the case, you should soon see your
bird losing more feather... ie. the other grey feathers, then the downy
feather. these will be replaced in a natural way. Your bird's diet need to
be good at all times, but it is even more important at moulting time.

If/when the time comes that she is too much bother or too much work, you and
she both will be better off with another owner.

Lorraine

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:55 pm
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I found a very easy and inexpensive fix for the poop problem. Cyndr loves to
sit on the open door of his cage when he isn't on the top playing. I went to
Walmart and bought a clear plastic rug runner and placed it on the floor
near his cage. Believe me it is much easier to wipe clean than it is to
clean the carpet.
--

Lynn
Cyndr (CAG)

Flatter me, and I may not believe you.
Criticize me, and I may not like you.
Ignore me, and I may not forgive you.
Encourage me, and I will not forget you.


"Bobby77501" <rmo555.TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote in message
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> I have several problems with my African Grey:
>
> 1. Her dander gets all over the house. Is there any way to reduce the
> amount of dander she has - or to get rid of it before it proagates
> throughout the house?
>
> 2. She has eaten all her red tail feathers off - and looks rather shaggy
> all over. My vet says she is perfectly healthy - but has no explanation
for
> her feathers.
>
> 3. She has a rather large cage - but is spoiled and insists on being
> outside the cage when anyone is at home. If we leave her inside thcage,
she
> squeaks constantly. The squeaking is very annoying. Also, although she
has
> a perch on top of the cage, she'd rather perch on the edge of the cage
and,
> therefore, she poops on the floor. She has become far too much "work" to
> keep and it is embarrasing when someone pops in unexpectedly.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to "fix" any of these problems?
> Thanks........
>
>
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Chicky

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 3:33 pm
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I can't believe you have cats in your house when you have a bird!!! I don't
care how "accepting" they seem, they are still cats with a natural instinct
to catch birds. Even if they don't kill your grey, did you know that cat
saliva is toxic to birds and if your bird comes into contact with it, the
bird will die. Either get rid of the cats or get your grey a new owner!!




"Bobby77501" <rmo555 RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote in message
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> I have several problems with my African Grey:
>
> 1. Her dander gets all over the house. Is there any way to reduce the
> amount of dander she has - or to get rid of it before it proagates
> throughout the house?
>
> 2. She has eaten all her red tail feathers off - and looks rather shaggy
> all over. My vet says she is perfectly healthy - but has no explanation
for
> her feathers.
>
> 3. She has a rather large cage - but is spoiled and insists on being
> outside the cage when anyone is at home. If we leave her inside thcage,
she
> squeaks constantly. The squeaking is very annoying. Also, although she
has
> a perch on top of the cage, she'd rather perch on the edge of the cage
and,
> therefore, she poops on the floor. She has become far too much "work" to
> keep and it is embarrasing when someone pops in unexpectedly.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to "fix" any of these problems?
> Thanks........
>
>
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C Roth

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:31 pm
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:33:10 +0000, Chicky wrote:

> I can't believe you have cats in your house when you have a bird!!! I
> don't care how "accepting" they seem, they are still cats with a natural
> instinct to catch birds. Even if they don't kill your grey, did you know
> that cat saliva is toxic to birds and if your bird comes into contact with
> it, the bird will die. Either get rid of the cats or get your grey a new
> owner!!

I have a cat.

He'll sit right next to the bird and never look twice at it. Of course,
the cat is going on 17 years old now, and at this point he's just to old
to really care. If it doesn't come in a bag in nice bite sized chunks,
he's not interested.

.. . . Our schnauzer is another story, however.
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J. Nelson

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:14 pm
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>I can't believe you have cats in your house when you have a bird!!!

I have three cats in my house....

Jayne & Pepsi (CAG)
Frankie (MSC2)
Peaches (MOL2)
Bridget ('Tiel)
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:23 am
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C Roth

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 7:16 am
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 02:23:29 +0000, Denzon wrote:

> tell us about the Schnauzer

It's not as bad as you might think. The Schnauzer has pretty much gotten
used to the bird.

If the bird drops food outside the cage on the floor, the dog is the clean
up crew. I'm thinking sometimes the bird does it on purpose.

One time the bird discovered he could open his food doors and squeeze his
narrow ass out of the cage. Next thing you know he landed right in front
of the dog, who just kind of sat there with a shocked look on her face. I
wouldn't want to test this again, mind you. Too much instinct going on
here. This is the same dog that brought me a rabbit one morning that was
as big as she is!
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Helix

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:04 am
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How about putting newspapers under her cage door? How about buying/building
a play gym with a base where you can lay down newspaper or even a chair mat
thats easy to clean.


"Bobby77501" <rmo555 RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote in message
news:BupLa.26092$G6.12926@lakeread04...
> I have several problems with my African Grey:
>
> 1. Her dander gets all over the house. Is there any way to reduce the
> amount of dander she has - or to get rid of it before it proagates
> throughout the house?
>
> 2. She has eaten all her red tail feathers off - and looks rather shaggy
> all over. My vet says she is perfectly healthy - but has no explanation
for
> her feathers.
>
> 3. She has a rather large cage - but is spoiled and insists on being
> outside the cage when anyone is at home. If we leave her inside thcage,
she
> squeaks constantly. The squeaking is very annoying. Also, although she
has
> a perch on top of the cage, she'd rather perch on the edge of the cage
and,
> therefore, she poops on the floor. She has become far too much "work" to
> keep and it is embarrasing when someone pops in unexpectedly.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to "fix" any of these problems?
> Thanks........
>
>
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Helix

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:08 am
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Hey... many people have birds AND cats. And they all live happily ever
after.


"Chicky" <njtk.RemoveThis@telusplanet.GARBAGE.net> wrote in message
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> I can't believe you have cats in your house when you have a bird!!! I
don't
> care how "accepting" they seem, they are still cats with a natural
instinct
> to catch birds. Even if they don't kill your grey, did you know that cat
> saliva is toxic to birds and if your bird comes into contact with it, the
> bird will die. Either get rid of the cats or get your grey a new owner!!
>
>
>
>
> "Bobby77501" <rmo555.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:BupLa.26092$G6.12926@lakeread04...
> > I have several problems with my African Grey:
> >
> > 1. Her dander gets all over the house. Is there any way to reduce the
> > amount of dander she has - or to get rid of it before it proagates
> > throughout the house?
> >
> > 2. She has eaten all her red tail feathers off - and looks rather
shaggy
> > all over. My vet says she is perfectly healthy - but has no explanation
> for
> > her feathers.
> >
> > 3. She has a rather large cage - but is spoiled and insists on being
> > outside the cage when anyone is at home. If we leave her inside thcage,
> she
> > squeaks constantly. The squeaking is very annoying. Also, although she
> has
> > a perch on top of the cage, she'd rather perch on the edge of the cage
> and,
> > therefore, she poops on the floor. She has become far too much "work"
to
> > keep and it is embarrasing when someone pops in unexpectedly.
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to "fix" any of these problems?
> > Thanks........
> >
> >
>
>
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Jolene Yates

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2003 6:17 pm
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I have a budgie for about 2 and a half years now and my husband has a cat
and our pets get along just fine. The bird actually seems to have it out
for the cat more than the cat wants the bird. Maybe because the bird was
here first and the cat sits on top of her cage.

Jolene


"Helix" <Helix.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Hey... many people have birds AND cats. And they all live happily ever
> after.
>
>
> "Chicky" <njtk.TakeThisOut@telusplanet.GARBAGE.net> wrote in message
> news:WKYLa.44415$Mc4.5748610@news0.telusplanet.net...
> > I can't believe you have cats in your house when you have a bird!!! I
> don't
> > care how "accepting" they seem, they are still cats with a natural
> instinct
> > to catch birds. Even if they don't kill your grey, did you know that cat
> > saliva is toxic to birds and if your bird comes into contact with it,
the
> > bird will die. Either get rid of the cats or get your grey a new owner!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Bobby77501" <rmo555.TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:BupLa.26092$G6.12926@lakeread04...
> > > I have several problems with my African Grey:
> > >
> > > 1. Her dander gets all over the house. Is there any way to reduce
the
> > > amount of dander she has - or to get rid of it before it proagates
> > > throughout the house?
> > >
> > > 2. She has eaten all her red tail feathers off - and looks rather
> shaggy
> > > all over. My vet says she is perfectly healthy - but has no
explanation
> > for
> > > her feathers.
> > >
> > > 3. She has a rather large cage - but is spoiled and insists on being
> > > outside the cage when anyone is at home. If we leave her inside
thcage,
> > she
> > > squeaks constantly. The squeaking is very annoying. Also, although
she
> > has
> > > a perch on top of the cage, she'd rather perch on the edge of the cage
> > and,
> > > therefore, she poops on the floor. She has become far too much "work"
> to
> > > keep and it is embarrasing when someone pops in unexpectedly.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to "fix" any of these
problems?
> > > Thanks........
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2003 6:17 pm
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Jolene Yates wrote:
> I have a budgie for about 2 and a half years now and my husband has a
> cat and our pets get along just fine. The bird actually seems to
> have it out for the cat more than the cat wants the bird. Maybe
> because the bird was here first and the cat sits on top of her cage.
>
> Jolene

I have heard this before. Wonder how it is birds seem so dominate over
cats?
Also, I'm curious how it would go over introducing a cat to an 8 yo CAG.
Who'd be more at risk, iow. And if it would depend on whether the cat was
full grown or just a kitten.

Eve
>
>
> "Helix" <Helix.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:%YANa.188924$jT4.3389472@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> Hey... many people have birds AND cats. And they all live happily
>> ever after.
>>
>>
>> "Chicky" <njtk.TakeThisOut@telusplanet.GARBAGE.net> wrote in message
>> news:WKYLa.44415$Mc4.5748610@news0.telusplanet.net...
>>> I can't believe you have cats in your house when you have a bird!!!
>>> I don't care how "accepting" they seem, they are still cats with a
>>> natural instinct to catch birds. Even if they don't kill your grey,
>>> did you know that cat saliva is toxic to birds and if your bird
>>> comes into contact with it, the bird will die. Either get rid of
>>> the cats or get your grey a new owner!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bobby77501" <rmo555.TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:BupLa.26092$G6.12926@lakeread04...
>>>> I have several problems with my African Grey:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Her dander gets all over the house. Is there any way to
>>>> reduce the amount of dander she has - or to get rid of it before
>>>> it proagates throughout the house?
>>>>
>>>> 2. She has eaten all her red tail feathers off - and looks rather
>>>> shaggy all over. My vet says she is perfectly healthy - but has
>>>> no explanation for her feathers.
>>>>
>>>> 3. She has a rather large cage - but is spoiled and insists on
>>>> being outside the cage when anyone is at home. If we leave her
>>>> inside thcage, she squeaks constantly. The squeaking is very
>>>> annoying. Also, although she has a perch on top of the cage,
>>>> she'd rather perch on the edge of the cage and, therefore, she
>>>> poops on the floor. She has become far too much "work" to keep
>>>> and it is embarrasing when someone pops in unexpectedly.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to "fix" any of these
>>>> problems? Thanks........
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 11:50 am
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"Bobby77501" <rmo555 RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote in message
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> I have several problems with my African Grey:
>
> 1. Her dander gets all over the house. Is there any way to reduce the
> amount of dander she has - or to get rid of it before it proagates
> throughout the house?
>

Misting your bird every morning is the best bet to relieving the dander
problem.

> 2. She has eaten all her red tail feathers off - and looks rather shaggy
> all over. My vet says she is perfectly healthy - but has no explanation
for
> her feathers.
>
> 3. She has a rather large cage - but is spoiled and insists on being
> outside the cage when anyone is at home. If we leave her inside thcage,
she
> squeaks constantly. The squeaking is very annoying. Also, although she
has
> a perch on top of the cage, she'd rather perch on the edge of the cage
and,
> therefore, she poops on the floor. She has become far too much "work" to
> keep and it is embarrasing when someone pops in unexpectedly.
>

African Greys can be a very neurotic bird. Especially when spoiled. They
like the same things all the time and when anything changes like putting a
new toy in the cage, they can start plucking thier feathers and this is
natural among AG's.

Some things you can do that might help you.

When you get a new toy, rub it with your hands and hang it on the outside of
the cage for a few weeks. You can speed up the process of getting the AG
used to the toy by playing with it yourself. Same with the perch, if the AG
see's you playing with it, then it will be alright for him/her to play with
it. Don't force your AG to sit on the perch, or to play with toys, this
causes stress and most likely your AG will never sit on the perch or play
with the toy.

As far as the pooping on the rug. Using a clear plastic runner like you
mentioned is your best bet. I have them under all my birds cages and it has
helped me alot. No more renting Rug doctor every month. I trained my
Nanday to poop into the garbage can. Wasn't that hard, just put a perch off
the side of her cage and a garbage can underneath. She is so adamant about
keeping a clean cage that she will hold it for hours and hours until I would
open her cage. Now I just leave it open all the time and she goes when she
needs to. My amazons are very dirty and I end up changing the bottom of
thier cages 2 - 3 times daily.

As always this is only a suggestion and my opinion. I certainly hope that
this will help you in your quest to have a better AG.

Tony

> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to "fix" any of these problems?
> Thanks........
>
>
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 11:57 am
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Just a suggestion, if you are going to use Newspaper in the bottom of your
birds cage. Call the newspaper office and see what kind of inks that they
are using. Most newspaper places are using soy bean oil for the black
print, which is safe for your bird, but most color pages use inks that can
kill your bird if they chew on the paper. I use only pages with black ink
and put the color pages in the recycle bin.

Its funny our local newspaper uses all food coloring for their print. If
the paper gets wet, it runs all together and you can't see any of the print
or pictures. Makes for great bird bedding, but I still throw out the color
pages.

Tony

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> How about putting newspapers under her cage door? How about
buying/building
> a play gym with a base where you can lay down newspaper or even a chair
mat
> thats easy to clean.
>
>
> "Bobby77501" <rmo555 RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote in message
> news:BupLa.26092$G6.12926@lakeread04...
> > I have several problems with my African Grey:
> >
> > 1. Her dander gets all over the house. Is there any way to reduce the
> > amount of dander she has - or to get rid of it before it proagates
> > throughout the house?
> >
> > 2. She has eaten all her red tail feathers off - and looks rather
shaggy
> > all over. My vet says she is perfectly healthy - but has no explanation
> for
> > her feathers.
> >
> > 3. She has a rather large cage - but is spoiled and insists on being
> > outside the cage when anyone is at home. If we leave her inside thcage,
> she
> > squeaks constantly. The squeaking is very annoying. Also, although she
> has
> > a perch on top of the cage, she'd rather perch on the edge of the cage
> and,
> > therefore, she poops on the floor. She has become far too much "work"
to
> > keep and it is embarrasing when someone pops in unexpectedly.
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to "fix" any of these problems?
> > Thanks........
> >
> >
>
>
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 12:03 pm
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"seacrest" <seacrest9x.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jolene Yates wrote:
> > I have a budgie for about 2 and a half years now and my husband has a
> > cat and our pets get along just fine. The bird actually seems to
> > have it out for the cat more than the cat wants the bird. Maybe
> > because the bird was here first and the cat sits on top of her cage.
> >
> > Jolene
>
> I have heard this before. Wonder how it is birds seem so dominate over
> cats?
> Also, I'm curious how it would go over introducing a cat to an 8 yo CAG.
> Who'd be more at risk, iow. And if it would depend on whether the cat was
> full grown or just a kitten.
>
> Eve

I'd be afraid for the CAG because one scratch from the cat could lead to a
fatal infection. That would be my biggest fear. I love cats but I wouldn't
dare to have one because it would only take on mishap for a tragedy to
occur.

Michael
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