Too cold for dogs

"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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> "Peter" <pd_hendrickson DeleteThis @hotmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
> news:J31rj.3760$7d1.703@news01.roc.ny:
>
>>
>> "Suja" <spanaval DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:6139t6F1tn337U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "Mary Healey" <ameszoo DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> The best method for a breed, overall, is to identify the genetic state
>>>> of individuals, be aware of the genetic health/state of the breed as a
>>>> whole,
>>>> and to work towards reducing the number of affected individuals while
>>>> neither discarding carriers out of hand nor increasing the number of
>>>> carriers. That's for a simple recessive trait where allelic status
>>>> can be
>>>> determined, but the basic plan holds true for even polygenic traits.
>>>
>>> Be prepared to flash your credentials. The question of who died and
>>> made you an authority on genetics is bound to come up sooner or later.
>>>
>>>> The core of every successful, thoughtful breeding program is to know
>>>> what it is you have. The fastest way to gain that knowledge is by
>>>> testing, and
>>>> the fastest way to gain an understanding of the problems that afflict
>>>> a breed as a whole is to encourage testing, disclosure, and
>>>> verification (through OFA or other searchable database).
>>>
>>> Here is what I don't understand. Peter claims to have done all the
>>> testing,
>>> and claims to have a 4 generation pedigree on both sides. This entire
>>> discussion would be moot if he just posted what information he has.
>>> Then again, it appears to me that he doesn't have a good handle on
>>> genetics as a
>>> concept, so would it do any good even if he had done all the testing
>>> and had
>>> a 4 generation pedigree on both sides?
>>>
>>> Suja
>>>
>> Hard to say. For better or worse, I'm learning as I go. I thought I had
>> done enough testing. Apparently I was wrong. I am working to rectify
>> that situation. I'll keep you posted. Thanks for the advice.
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
> Please don't due this until after the puppies are weaned. The system
> needs
> to restore to NORMAL. You want normal results

Well I still have to walk her everyday. That's where the problem started. It
would seem counter productive to ignore it if it re-occurs.
Peter
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"Suja" <spanaval RemoveThis @yahoo.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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>
> "diddy" <none> wrote in message:
>
>> Please don't due this until after the puppies are weaned. The system
> needs
>> to restore to NORMAL. You want normal results
>
> However, you *can* have the stud tested for whatever is missing. And,
see
> if you can gather more health testing information about near relatives on
> either side of the pedigree.
>
> Suja
>
>
>

Having the stud tested ASAP would help
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montana wildhack <montana DeleteThis @wildhack.com.invalid> spoke these words of
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> On 2008-02-08 13:24:50 -0500, diddy <none> said:
>
>> Please don't due this until after the puppies are weaned. The system
>> needs to restore to NORMAL. You want normal results
>
> Are the tests skewed in any way by estrus?

they can be
>
> And while you know this, I hope it isn't insulting to add - intended
> for Peter's benefit - we were surprised to find out that our wayward
> Beanie went into estrus when she weaned the puppies.
>
> But then Beanie was literally full of surprises when she came to us...
>
>
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montana wildhack <montana.RemoveThis@wildhack.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Please don't due this until after the puppies are weaned. The system needs
>> to restore to NORMAL. You want normal results
>
> Are the tests skewed in any way by estrus?

Some are, especially hips; the OFA recommends xraying hips at least
3-4 weeks before or after a heat period, and at least 3-5 weeks after
WEANING (not whelping) a litter of pups.

Elbows could theoretically be done during pregnancy but personally
I would not want the radiation exposure to the pups.

Thyroid levels are affected by stress and OFA recommends that they
not be tested during estrus; here again I personally would wait
at least 3-5 weeks after weaning.

Eyes can be done during pregnancy, no problem.

Cardiac, I'm not sure. I'd consult with a cardiologist about this
one and follow his/her recommendation. If you can't easily get
advice on this I'd be conservative and do it as the same time as
hips & thyroid.

However, as others have noted, there's no bar to having the above
tests all done on the sire immediately.

Hope that helps,

Dianne
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"Peter" <pd_hendrickson.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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>
> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A3E887471D67diddydiddynet@216.196.97.142...
>> "Peter" <pd_hendrickson.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
>> news:J31rj.3760$7d1.703@news01.roc.ny:
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>>>
>>> "Suja" <spanaval.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6139t6F1tn337U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Mary Healey" <ameszoo.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>>> The best method for a breed, overall, is to identify the genetic
>>>>> state of individuals, be aware of the genetic health/state of the
>>>>> breed as a whole,
>>>>> and to work towards reducing the number of affected individuals
>>>>> while neither discarding carriers out of hand nor increasing the
>>>>> number of carriers. That's for a simple recessive trait where
>>>>> allelic status can be
>>>>> determined, but the basic plan holds true for even polygenic traits.
>>>>
>>>> Be prepared to flash your credentials. The question of who died and
>>>> made you an authority on genetics is bound to come up sooner or
>>>> later.
>>>>
>>>>> The core of every successful, thoughtful breeding program is to know
>>>>> what it is you have. The fastest way to gain that knowledge is by
>>>>> testing, and
>>>>> the fastest way to gain an understanding of the problems that
>>>>> afflict a breed as a whole is to encourage testing, disclosure, and
>>>>> verification (through OFA or other searchable database).
>>>>
>>>> Here is what I don't understand. Peter claims to have done all the
>>>> testing,
>>>> and claims to have a 4 generation pedigree on both sides. This
>>>> entire discussion would be moot if he just posted what information he
>>>> has. Then again, it appears to me that he doesn't have a good handle
>>>> on genetics as a
>>>> concept, so would it do any good even if he had done all the testing
>>>> and had
>>>> a 4 generation pedigree on both sides?
>>>>
>>>> Suja
>>>>
>>> Hard to say. For better or worse, I'm learning as I go. I thought I
>>> had done enough testing. Apparently I was wrong. I am working to
>>> rectify that situation. I'll keep you posted. Thanks for the advice.
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Please don't due this until after the puppies are weaned. The system
>> needs
>> to restore to NORMAL. You want normal results
>
> Well I still have to walk her everyday. That's where the problem
> started. It would seem counter productive to ignore it if it re-occurs.
> Peter
>
>
>

I mean... proper health testing
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"montana wildhack" <montana.TakeThisOut@wildhack.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 2008-02-08 14:25:47 -0500, "Peter" <pd_hendrickson.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> said:
>
>> Well I still have to walk her everyday. That's where the problem started.
>> It
>> would seem counter productive to ignore it if it re-occurs.
>
> Diddy was talking about waiting until after the bitch weans the puppies
> (and is also not in heat) before doing genetic testing. You are talking
> about what?
>
Her behavior problem. Sorry for the confusion.
Peter
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"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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> "Peter" <pd_hendrickson.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
> news:%02rj.3679$Sa1.1824@news02.roc.ny:
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>>
>> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A3E887471D67diddydiddynet@216.196.97.142...
>>> "Peter" <pd_hendrickson.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
>>> news:J31rj.3760$7d1.703@news01.roc.ny:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Suja" <spanaval.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:6139t6F1tn337U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mary Healey" <ameszoo.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The best method for a breed, overall, is to identify the genetic
>>>>>> state of individuals, be aware of the genetic health/state of the
>>>>>> breed as a whole,
>>>>>> and to work towards reducing the number of affected individuals
>>>>>> while neither discarding carriers out of hand nor increasing the
>>>>>> number of carriers. That's for a simple recessive trait where
>>>>>> allelic status can be
>>>>>> determined, but the basic plan holds true for even polygenic traits.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be prepared to flash your credentials. The question of who died and
>>>>> made you an authority on genetics is bound to come up sooner or
>>>>> later.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The core of every successful, thoughtful breeding program is to know
>>>>>> what it is you have. The fastest way to gain that knowledge is by
>>>>>> testing, and
>>>>>> the fastest way to gain an understanding of the problems that
>>>>>> afflict a breed as a whole is to encourage testing, disclosure, and
>>>>>> verification (through OFA or other searchable database).
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what I don't understand. Peter claims to have done all the
>>>>> testing,
>>>>> and claims to have a 4 generation pedigree on both sides. This
>>>>> entire discussion would be moot if he just posted what information he
>>>>> has. Then again, it appears to me that he doesn't have a good handle
>>>>> on genetics as a
>>>>> concept, so would it do any good even if he had done all the testing
>>>>> and had
>>>>> a 4 generation pedigree on both sides?
>>>>>
>>>>> Suja
>>>>>
>>>> Hard to say. For better or worse, I'm learning as I go. I thought I
>>>> had done enough testing. Apparently I was wrong. I am working to
>>>> rectify that situation. I'll keep you posted. Thanks for the advice.
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Please don't due this until after the puppies are weaned. The system
>>> needs
>>> to restore to NORMAL. You want normal results
>>
>> Well I still have to walk her everyday. That's where the problem
>> started. It would seem counter productive to ignore it if it re-occurs.
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>
> I mean... proper health testing

Oh. Peter
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In article <mY1rj.3678$Sa1.1270@news02.roc.ny>,
"Peter" <pd_hendrickson DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> The pictures were taken within minutes of their first meeting, her leash was
> still attached. Normally she wears no type of collar unless we are going
> out.

I didn't see a leash, but maybe it was very, very dark. He appears to
be wearing a chain choke as well.

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www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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In article <janet-0A9447.16294708022008 RemoveThis @news.individual.net>,
Janet Boss <janet RemoveThis @bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote:

>
> I didn't see a leash, but maybe it was very, very dark. He appears to
> be wearing a chain choke as well.

Looked again. Nope, no leash. Not to mention that when I said leash
attached, the implication would be "and held by a human". It would be
silly to do that with him loose and her in season. My comment stands -
both wearing chain chokes and "playing". A dangerous thing to do.

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"Peter" <pd_hendrickson DeleteThis @hotmail.com> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> Do you have anything positive to
> offer, or do prefer to continue on in this pointless manner?

FWIW, and unfortunately for your dogs, you're a lost cause,
edumacation-wise. Still, there are others reading who learn
from such discussions. This thread is dedicated to them.

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"the.longest.username.available@gmail.com"
<the.longest.username.available.DeleteThis@gmail.com> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

>> I couldn't get it to load, but then, I'm on dialup
>
> I'm on a 10Mbit connection and I can't get it to load
> either, so I don't know if it is just a dial up problem.

In Firefox, the "click here" brought up a tiny pop-up window
with no maximize button. I poked around and found that I could
drag the window larger by grabbing the lower right corner.

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