Too cold for dogs

"Mary Healey" <ameszoo.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> diddy <none> wrote in news:Xns9A3E65532C15Ediddydiddynet@216.196.97.142:
>
>> Mary Healey <ameszoo.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
>> news:Xns9A3E59ED3DBF4amesnatlzooyahoocom@130.133.1.4:
>>> What knowledge do I need, other than what you posted? Your dog is
>>> aggressive towards others in your presence. You bred your dog. When
>>> someone here suggested obedience classes as a means of addressing the
>>> problem you described, you wrote that you'd wait until after your
>>> bitch had whelped.
>>
>> Depending on how far along she is, I'd have waited too.
>
> Perhaps. But the next logical question (to my girl-brane, anyway), is
> "since any session of obedience classes would be interrupted by my bitch
> having and caring for a litter, what might I do on my own to mitigate the
> problem?" Peter didn't ask that question.
>
Actually that was my original question. Do you have anything positive to
offer, or do prefer to continue on in this pointless manner?
Peter
>
>> But I would not have bred a non-breeding worthy temperament in the
>> first place.
>
>> And I would have had the dog trained when in entered my household. I
>> wouldn't have waited for problems to develop first.
>
> 'Xactly.
>
> Geez, is all this agreement giving anyone else indigestion?
>
> --
> Mary & the depleted Ames National Zoo
> (Ranger, Duke, Rhia-cat)
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"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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> "Peter" <pd_hendrickson.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
> news:PXOqj.3707$7d1.2197@news01.roc.ny:
>
>>
>> "Mary Healey" <ameszoo.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A3DB3E5B96C9amesnatlzooyahoocom@130.133.1.4...
>>> "Peter" <pd_hendrickson.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:lpGqj.3555$Sa1.3432@news02.roc.ny:
>>>
>>>> These are not show dogs. I chose the sire I did because their
>>>> bloodline are vastly separated, to avoid possible genetic problems.
>>>
>>> *sigh*
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mary & the depleted Ames National Zoo
>>> (Ranger, Duke, Rhia-cat)
>>
>> OK so maybe I'm wrong. If I am, your comments thus far provide
> absolutely
>> no useful purpose. If you have something relevent to add please do so.
>> Peter
>>
>>
> Peter,
> The reason for genetic testing, is to determine if those bad genes are in
> there. They can just as easily be present in an unrelated pedigree, as a
> close pedigree. So the best method, is to eliminate as many bad factors
> as
> possible from the equation, by testing and actually trying to ferret them
> out. In the process developing the breed database,, so breeder knowlege
> understands what has happened in past breedings from that family.
>
> Thus building the knowledge database helps all breeders make more informed
> decisions, and the information gets shared by everyone, helping breeders
> make healthier dogs. Getting every dog into the database by testing before
> breeding is critical. To track information, as tests are submitted, each
> dog is given a number. This database provides crucial importance and
> allows
> healthier dog breeding planning.
>
> this is not new, since it was started in 1966, but as breeders become more
> educated, it's catching on as a requirement before breeding. And before
> any
> responsible breeder will talk to you about breeding your dog, you are now
> EXPECTED to show your test numbers for them to check and review. If you
> don't have them, you should be sent packing, a bit embarrased, until you
> can produce them. You want to show you have done your homework. In fact,
> you should be proud when you've done your homework, and those numbers
> should be proudly offered when there is an inquiry on your dogs. It means
> a
> job well done. I can't imagine any reason why someone who had a dog pass
> would not be proud to reveal that information. Information about the owner
> is not revealed at all.
>
> The way responsible breeding is done, is changing fast. This is the
> twentyfirst century. We are no longer breeding in the dark ages.

Thank you for the very good advice.
Peter
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"Mary Healey" <ameszoo DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> diddy <none> wrote:
>> The reason for genetic testing, is to determine if those bad genes
>> are in
>> there. They can just as easily be present in an unrelated pedigree, as
>> a close pedigree. So the best method, is to eliminate as many bad
>> factors as possible from the equation,
>
> The best method for a breed, overall, is to identify the genetic state of
> individuals, be aware of the genetic health/state of the breed as a whole,
> and to work towards reducing the number of affected individuals while
> neither discarding carriers out of hand nor increasing the number of
> carriers. That's for a simple recessive trait where allelic status can be
> determined, but the basic plan holds true for even polygenic traits.
>
> The core of every successful, thoughtful breeding program is to know what
> it is you have. The fastest way to gain that knowledge is by testing, and
> the fastest way to gain an understanding of the problems that afflict a
> breed as a whole is to encourage testing, disclosure, and verification
> (through OFA or other searchable database).
>
>> by testing and actually trying
>> to ferret them out. In the process developing the breed database,, so
>> breeder knowlege understands what has happened in past breedings from
>> that family.
>
> Exactly. Hence the need to test non-breeding animals as well as potential
> parents.
>
> Well said, diddy.
> --
> Mary & the depleted Ames National Zoo
> (Ranger, Duke, Rhia-cat)

Some useful advice this time, thank you Mary.
Peter
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"Suja" <spanaval.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mary Healey" <ameszoo.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message:
>
>> The best method for a breed, overall, is to identify the genetic state of
>> individuals, be aware of the genetic health/state of the breed as a
>> whole,
>> and to work towards reducing the number of affected individuals while
>> neither discarding carriers out of hand nor increasing the number of
>> carriers. That's for a simple recessive trait where allelic status can
>> be
>> determined, but the basic plan holds true for even polygenic traits.
>
> Be prepared to flash your credentials. The question of who died and made
> you an authority on genetics is bound to come up sooner or later.
>
>> The core of every successful, thoughtful breeding program is to know what
>> it is you have. The fastest way to gain that knowledge is by testing,
>> and
>> the fastest way to gain an understanding of the problems that afflict a
>> breed as a whole is to encourage testing, disclosure, and verification
>> (through OFA or other searchable database).
>
> Here is what I don't understand. Peter claims to have done all the
> testing,
> and claims to have a 4 generation pedigree on both sides. This entire
> discussion would be moot if he just posted what information he has. Then
> again, it appears to me that he doesn't have a good handle on genetics as
> a
> concept, so would it do any good even if he had done all the testing and
> had
> a 4 generation pedigree on both sides?
>
> Suja
>
Hard to say. For better or worse, I'm learning as I go. I thought I had done
enough testing. Apparently I was wrong. I am working to rectify that
situation. I'll keep you posted. Thanks for the advice.
Peter
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"Rocky" <3dogs.DeleteThis@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter" <pd_hendrickson.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
>> Why would I feel the need to "show her up"?
>
> Your posts vibrate with such a need. When you're not
> belittling others, you're complaining as to how everyone is
> treating you.
>
I'm sorry I came accross that way, it was childish of me.
>
>> Don't take me
>> wrong here, but I have no vested interest in her opinion,
>> or yours for that matter. Why should I view you as any kind
>> of authority?
>
> Did I claim that I was any sort of authority?
>
You implied it.
>
>> When she or anyone provides useful advice
>> I'll gladly accept it. Come at me with attitude and I have
>> no use for you.
>
> Useful advice == What Peter wants to hear.
> Attitude == What Peter doesn't want to hear.
>
> Got it.
>
Glad you understand 8-) Peter
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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Peter <pd_hendrickson.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> For better or worse, I'm learning as I go.

We all do. And the mistake you made (breeding without adequate
knowledge) is a common one, I'm afraid. I do give you credit
for having tried, and for having learned from the discussions
here in spite of the fact of how rough some people have been
on you (not excluding myself from that assessment).

Any help I might be able to provide, email me privately.

Dianne
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"Janet Boss" <janet DeleteThis @bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message
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> In article <yY_qj.3495$5M1.1306@newsfe23.lga>,
> "Suja" <spanaval DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, her name is Gretchen. The sire's name is Deisel. They can be seen
>> here: http://oslofleamarket.com/GRETCHEN/
>
> ACK - a huge pet peeve of mine - take the *&(*())( chain chokes off dogs
> who are playing (mating?). for that matter - ANY time there isn't a
> leash attached.
>
> --
> Janet Boss
> www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

The pictures were taken within minutes of their first meeting, her leash was
still attached. Normally she wears no type of collar unless we are going
out.
Peter
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"Dianne Schoenberg" <dms.TakeThisOut@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> Peter <pd_hendrickson.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> For better or worse, I'm learning as I go.
>
> We all do. And the mistake you made (breeding without adequate
> knowledge) is a common one, I'm afraid. I do give you credit
> for having tried, and for having learned from the discussions
> here in spite of the fact of how rough some people have been
> on you (not excluding myself from that assessment).
>
> Any help I might be able to provide, email me privately.
>
> Dianne
>

Thanks, Peter
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"montana wildhack" <montana.RemoveThis@wildhack.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 2008-02-08 13:30:58 -0500, "Peter" <pd_hendrickson.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> said:
>
>> Seriously, why is bad to create a new breed?
>
> What need is this new "breed" filling? How would you determine the breed
> standards? What is the purpose of the new breed?
I would assume that it would be done in a similar manner to how it has been
done in the past. Does every breed have a purpose? Danes are seldom if ever
used for their originally bred purpose. Does this mean they should be
discontinued?
Peter
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<the.longest.username.available RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 8, 12:23 pm, diddy <none> wrote:
>> Janet Boss <ja... RemoveThis @bestfriendsdogobedience.com> spoke these words of
>> wisdom
>> innews:janet-BEF356.12191008022008@news.individual.net:
>>
>> > In article <yY_qj.3495$5M1.1...@newsfe23.lga>,
>> > "Suja" <spana... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Yes, her name is Gretchen. The sire's name is Deisel. They can be
>> >> seen
>> >> here:http://oslofleamarket.com/GRETCHEN/
>>
>> > ACK - a huge pet peeve of mine - take the *&(*())( chain chokes off
>> > dogs
>> > who are playing (mating?). for that matter - ANY time there isn't a
>> > leash attached.
>>
>> I couldn't get it to load, but then, I'm on dialup
>
> I'm on a 10Mbit connection and I can't get it to load either, so I
> don't know if it is just a dial up problem.
>
> Nick

i just tried it worked fine for me.
Peter
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"Peter" <pd_hendrickson DeleteThis @hotmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
news:YV0rj.3664$Sa1.750@news02.roc.ny:

>
> I believed I was acting in a responsible manner. Apparently I was wrong.
I
> will learn from the experience.
> The girly bits was a necessary first step though 8-)
> Peter
>
>
>

Having a dog born a hermaphrodite, yes she was born with girly bits AND
Boysey Bits. The boysey bits caused a whole boatload of problems when
clanking around in the same body as girly bits. The Boysy bits were really
sneaky though, and were never evident on puppy selection, and required
special testing to confirm the problem. Once identified, the girly and
boysey bits were all removed and life became liveable once again.
In the process, destroying any future of breeding, which has actually been
destroyed on conception.
I bought her as a companion first, but definitely a breeding hopeful.
I'm glad this was all taken off the table, because when she failed her
genetic testing as required by her breeder, the shock of it all was already
simply formality. I was glad to have the results though, because they
changed the way she would be used in a long term healthy lifestyle for her.
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"Peter" <pd_hendrickson.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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>
> "Suja" <spanaval.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6139t6F1tn337U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Mary Healey" <ameszoo.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message:
>>
>>> The best method for a breed, overall, is to identify the genetic state
>>> of individuals, be aware of the genetic health/state of the breed as a
>>> whole,
>>> and to work towards reducing the number of affected individuals while
>>> neither discarding carriers out of hand nor increasing the number of
>>> carriers. That's for a simple recessive trait where allelic status
>>> can be
>>> determined, but the basic plan holds true for even polygenic traits.
>>
>> Be prepared to flash your credentials. The question of who died and
>> made you an authority on genetics is bound to come up sooner or later.
>>
>>> The core of every successful, thoughtful breeding program is to know
>>> what it is you have. The fastest way to gain that knowledge is by
>>> testing, and
>>> the fastest way to gain an understanding of the problems that afflict
>>> a breed as a whole is to encourage testing, disclosure, and
>>> verification (through OFA or other searchable database).
>>
>> Here is what I don't understand. Peter claims to have done all the
>> testing,
>> and claims to have a 4 generation pedigree on both sides. This entire
>> discussion would be moot if he just posted what information he has.
>> Then again, it appears to me that he doesn't have a good handle on
>> genetics as a
>> concept, so would it do any good even if he had done all the testing
>> and had
>> a 4 generation pedigree on both sides?
>>
>> Suja
>>
> Hard to say. For better or worse, I'm learning as I go. I thought I had
> done enough testing. Apparently I was wrong. I am working to rectify
> that situation. I'll keep you posted. Thanks for the advice.
> Peter
>
>
>
Please don't due this until after the puppies are weaned. The system needs
to restore to NORMAL. You want normal results
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"Peter" <pd_hendrickson.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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>
> "montana wildhack" <montana.TakeThisOut@wildhack.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:2008020813402375249-montana@wildhackcominvalid...
>> On 2008-02-08 13:30:58 -0500, "Peter" <pd_hendrickson.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
>> said:
>>
>>> Seriously, why is bad to create a new breed?
>>
>> What need is this new "breed" filling? How would you determine the
>> breed standards? What is the purpose of the new breed?
> I would assume that it would be done in a similar manner to how it has
> been done in the past. Does every breed have a purpose? Danes are seldom
> if ever used for their originally bred purpose. Does this mean they
> should be discontinued?
> Peter
>
>
>

My breed is not ever used in the United states to it's original purpose.
In Norway, it is a requirement that it is, or it cannot achieve it's
championship. It would be illegal here to do so. I'm not giving up my
breed. Why should you?
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