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On Mon, 31 May 2004 22:31:47 +0100, Ray <BirdsUK@.co.uk> wrote:

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> "Peter Hucker" <hucker.TakeThisOut@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 31 May 2004 22:20:21 +0100, Ray <BirdsUK@.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Peter Hucker" <hucker.TakeThisOut@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:opr8vt9zk3aiowgp@blue...
>> >> On Mon, 31 May 2004 21:25:44 +0100, Ray <BirdsUK@.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> > I
>> >> > agree, the bird is probably stolen thats why its not registered.
>> >> > He doesnt know a thing about birds, bet he's never owned one.
>> >>
>> >> Tosser. I hope they sue your for timewasting.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Why would they sue me IDIOT? You are guilty of being in possesion of an
>> > un-registered endangered macaw.
>>
>> As I told you it's not imported. I hope you get a big hefty fine.
>>
>> --
>> Like I told you IDIOT, it has nothing to do with being imported. It is a
> scarlet macaw and needs to be registered by law. End of story IDIOT.
> GUILTY hucker.

Well Cupar Garden Pet and Aquatic Centre, Cupar Trading Estate, Cupar, Fife, KY15 4SX Tel. 01334 655766/655792 Fax 01334 655420 bred it and should know better. I just bought the thing, didn't even know there was such a thing as cites till I came in here. I have a birth certificate off them, and if that ain't enough all hell will break loose. I got a crowbar in me car waiting......



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"Ray" <BirdsUK@.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > For your information, Miss troll, I bought it at a pet store, where they
> bred it themselves, and it has a birth certificate.
It may well have a hatch certificate but the shop who sold you this bird
without the correct cites certification broke the law.
> Never heard of cites
> till you mentioned it, why would I? It's hand reared, so I am pretty damn
> sure they didn't import it, otherwise I'd let you have the satisfaction of
> reporting them.
Hand rearing has nothing to do with having to have the cites certificate.
Having the certificate along with a closed ring on is what proves that the
bird is not illegally imported. I have a cites bird here and am not allowed
to pass it on without his certificate.That's the law, plain and simple. Not
only do you need the certificate for scarlet macaws but also scarlet hybrids
too. Go to the DEFRA website and do a little research.
I would be interested to know where you bought it.

> >It doesnt matter whether its been hand reared, wild caught, imported or
> captive bred IDIOT. Its a protected species and the law states it should
be
> registered. It is against the law to sell or buy a scarlet macaw without
the
> cites paperwork. A birth certificate is worth absolutely nothing. You cant
> plead ignorance in a court of law IDIOT.
>
>
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 00:24:38 +0100, good golly miss Molly <oldmolly.RemoveThis@tesco.net> wrote:

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> "Ray" <BirdsUK@.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:YsNuc.632$PQ.77@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net...
>> > For your information, Miss troll, I bought it at a pet store, where they
>> bred it themselves, and it has a birth certificate.
> It may well have a hatch certificate but the shop who sold you this bird
> without the correct cites certification broke the law.
>> Never heard of cites
>> till you mentioned it, why would I? It's hand reared, so I am pretty damn
>> sure they didn't import it, otherwise I'd let you have the satisfaction of
>> reporting them.
> Hand rearing has nothing to do with having to have the cites certificate.
> Having the certificate along with a closed ring on is what proves that the
> bird is not illegally imported. I have a cites bird here and am not allowed
> to pass it on without his certificate.That's the law, plain and simple. Not
> only do you need the certificate for scarlet macaws but also scarlet hybrids
> too. Go to the DEFRA website and do a little research.
> I would be interested to know where you bought it.

I've replied to ray with the address.

>> >It doesnt matter whether its been hand reared, wild caught, imported or
>> captive bred IDIOT. Its a protected species and the law states it should
> be
>> registered. It is against the law to sell or buy a scarlet macaw without
> the
>> cites paperwork. A birth certificate is worth absolutely nothing. You cant
>> plead ignorance in a court of law IDIOT.
>>
>>
>
>
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 00:24:38 +0100, good golly miss Molly <oldmolly.DeleteThis@tesco.net> wrote:

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> "Ray" <BirdsUK@.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> > For your information, Miss troll, I bought it at a pet store, where they
>> bred it themselves, and it has a birth certificate.
> It may well have a hatch certificate but the shop who sold you this bird
> without the correct cites certification broke the law.

Well I shall be phoning them tomorrow to find out what he has to say - he's not far from my work so I can visit physically if need be :-)

>> Never heard of cites
>> till you mentioned it, why would I? It's hand reared, so I am pretty damn
>> sure they didn't import it, otherwise I'd let you have the satisfaction of
>> reporting them.
> Hand rearing has nothing to do with having to have the cites certificate.
> Having the certificate along with a closed ring on is what proves that the
> bird is not illegally imported. I have a cites bird here and am not allowed
> to pass it on without his certificate.That's the law, plain and simple. Not
> only do you need the certificate for scarlet macaws but also scarlet hybrids
> too. Go to the DEFRA website and do a little research.
> I would be interested to know where you bought it.
>
>> >It doesnt matter whether its been hand reared, wild caught, imported or
>> captive bred IDIOT. Its a protected species and the law states it should
> be
>> registered. It is against the law to sell or buy a scarlet macaw without
> the
>> cites paperwork. A birth certificate is worth absolutely nothing. You cant
>> plead ignorance in a court of law IDIOT.
>>
>>
>
>
>



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"Peter Hucker" <hucker RemoveThis @clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Well Cupar Garden Pet and Aquatic Centre, Cupar Trading Estate, Cupar,
Fife, KY15 4SX Tel. 01334 655766/655792 Fax 01334 655420 bred it and should
know better. I just bought the thing, didn't even know there was such a
thing as cites till I came in here. I have a birth certificate off them,
and if that ain't enough all hell will break loose. I got a crowbar in me
car waiting......
>
>
>
> --
> You bought the bird so you are as guilty as they are for selling it.
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"Peter Hucker" <hucker RemoveThis @clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> Well I shall be phoning them tomorrow to find out what he has to say -
he's not far from my work so I can visit physically if need be :-)
>
> >>> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> I know who they are and I'm not interested. I also know you, where you
work and live and I have passed all I know to defra.
Guilty as charged, illegal possesion of an endangered species.
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 01:10:02 +0100, Peter Hucker <hucker.TakeThisOut@clara.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 00:24:38 +0100, good golly miss Molly <oldmolly.TakeThisOut@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ray" <BirdsUK@.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:YsNuc.632$PQ.77@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net...
>>> > For your information, Miss troll, I bought it at a pet store, where they
>>> bred it themselves, and it has a birth certificate.
>> It may well have a hatch certificate but the shop who sold you this bird
>> without the correct cites certification broke the law.
>
> Well I shall be phoning them tomorrow to find out what he has to say - he's not far from my work so I can visit physically if need be :-)

I'll let them off - they forgot to give me it, they still have it there and are posting it to me.

>>> Never heard of cites
>>> till you mentioned it, why would I? It's hand reared, so I am pretty damn
>>> sure they didn't import it, otherwise I'd let you have the satisfaction of
>>> reporting them.
>> Hand rearing has nothing to do with having to have the cites certificate.
>> Having the certificate along with a closed ring on is what proves that the
>> bird is not illegally imported. I have a cites bird here and am not allowed
>> to pass it on without his certificate.That's the law, plain and simple. Not
>> only do you need the certificate for scarlet macaws but also scarlet hybrids
>> too. Go to the DEFRA website and do a little research.
>> I would be interested to know where you bought it.
>>
>>> >It doesnt matter whether its been hand reared, wild caught, imported or
>>> captive bred IDIOT. Its a protected species and the law states it should
>> be
>>> registered. It is against the law to sell or buy a scarlet macaw without
>> the
>>> cites paperwork. A birth certificate is worth absolutely nothing. You cant
>>> plead ignorance in a court of law IDIOT.

However you Ray are an arse, only the pet shop is at fault (and simply a mistake at that). You work for CITES or something? You are worse than the IR.


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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:47:50 +0100, Ray <BirdsUK@.co.uk> wrote:

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> "Peter Hucker" <hucker RemoveThis @clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>>
>> Well Cupar Garden Pet and Aquatic Centre, Cupar Trading Estate, Cupar,
> Fife, KY15 4SX Tel. 01334 655766/655792 Fax 01334 655420 bred it and should
> know better. I just bought the thing, didn't even know there was such a
> thing as cites till I came in here. I have a birth certificate off them,
> and if that ain't enough all hell will break loose. I got a crowbar in me
> car waiting......
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> You bought the bird so you are as guilty as they are for selling it.

Bullshit. You expect me to know about CITES? Never heard of them. Why would I even suspect a macaw to be endangered? Anyway it's hand-reared, I would probably have thought twice if it wasn't (possible import).


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"Peter Hucker" <hucker.RemoveThis@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> You bought the bird so you are as guilty as they are for selling it.
>
> Bullshit. You expect me to know about CITES? Never heard of them. Why
would I even suspect a macaw to be endangered? Anyway it's hand-reared, I
would probably have thought twice if it wasn't (possible import).
>
>
> --
> So because you never heard of cites you cant be prosecuted?? IDIOT. Hand
reared birds dont need to be registered? Wrong IDIOT.
GUILTY hucker.
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:32:17 +0100, macawwww <guiltyhucker DeleteThis @co.uk> wrote:

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> "Peter Hucker" <hucker DeleteThis @clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> > >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> You bought the bird so you are as guilty as they are for selling it.
>>
>> Bullshit. You expect me to know about CITES? Never heard of them. Why
> would I even suspect a macaw to be endangered? Anyway it's hand-reared, I
> would probably have thought twice if it wasn't (possible import).
>>
>>
>> --
>> So because you never heard of cites you cant be prosecuted?? IDIOT. Hand
> reared birds dont need to be registered? Wrong IDIOT.
> GUILTY hucker.

STILL haven't worked out WHY they have cites have you?

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"Peter Hucker" <hucker.RemoveThis@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:32:17 +0100, macawwww <guiltyhucker.RemoveThis@co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Peter Hucker" <hucker.RemoveThis@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:opr8xfh3ecaiowgp@blue...
> >> > >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> You bought the bird so you are as guilty as they are for selling it.
> >>
> >> Bullshit. You expect me to know about CITES? Never heard of them.
Why
> > would I even suspect a macaw to be endangered? Anyway it's hand-reared,
I
> > would probably have thought twice if it wasn't (possible import).
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> So because you never heard of cites you cant be prosecuted?? IDIOT.
Hand
> > reared birds dont need to be registered? Wrong IDIOT.
> > GUILTY hucker.
>
> STILL haven't worked out WHY they have cites have you?
>
> --
> You havent IDIOT. Dont need to register hand reared birds?? Why do you
have a certificate for your hand reared bird?
You are a clueless IDIOT and a compulsive liar with the mental age of 4
hucker
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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:49:28 +0100, macawww <avian DeleteThis @co.uk> wrote:

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> "Peter Hucker" <hucker DeleteThis @clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:32:17 +0100, macawwww <guiltyhucker DeleteThis @co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Peter Hucker" <hucker DeleteThis @clara.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:opr8xfh3ecaiowgp@blue...
>> >> > >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> You bought the bird so you are as guilty as they are for selling it.
>> >>
>> >> Bullshit. You expect me to know about CITES? Never heard of them.
> Why
>> > would I even suspect a macaw to be endangered? Anyway it's hand-reared,
> I
>> > would probably have thought twice if it wasn't (possible import).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> So because you never heard of cites you cant be prosecuted?? IDIOT.
> Hand
>> > reared birds dont need to be registered? Wrong IDIOT.
>> > GUILTY hucker.
>>
>> STILL haven't worked out WHY they have cites have you?
>>
>> --
>> You havent IDIOT. Dont need to register hand reared birds?? Why do you
> have a certificate for your hand reared bird?
> You are a clueless IDIOT and a compulsive liar with the mental age of 4
> hucker

You are the one who doesn't understand the reason for CITES existing.


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"Peter Hucker" <hucker.TakeThisOut@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:49:28 +0100, macawww <avian.TakeThisOut@co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Peter Hucker" <hucker.TakeThisOut@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:opr8zsywk6aiowgp@blue...
> >> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:32:17 +0100, macawwww <guiltyhucker.TakeThisOut@co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > "Peter Hucker" <hucker.TakeThisOut@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> > news:opr8xfh3ecaiowgp@blue...
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> You bought the bird so you are as guilty as they are for selling
it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bullshit. You expect me to know about CITES? Never heard of them.
> > Why
> >> > would I even suspect a macaw to be endangered? Anyway it's
hand-reared,
> > I
> >> > would probably have thought twice if it wasn't (possible import).
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> So because you never heard of cites you cant be prosecuted?? IDIOT.
> > Hand
> >> > reared birds dont need to be registered? Wrong IDIOT.
> >> > GUILTY hucker.
> >>
> >> STILL haven't worked out WHY they have cites have you?
> >>
> >> --
> >> You havent IDIOT. Dont need to register hand reared birds?? Why do you
> > have a certificate for your hand reared bird?
> > You are a clueless IDIOT and a compulsive liar with the mental age of 4
> > hucker
>
> You are the one who doesn't understand the reason for CITES existing.
>
>
> --
> You dont IDIOT. You've never heard of them have you? LIAR
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