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Big Dummy

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:27 am
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Eheim, Fluval, or some other brand? Which model?
I've used power filters for two decades and primarily because my girlfriend
hates the sound of running water am finally switching to a cannister filter.
Problem is, while for example I know Aquaclear are the most reliable lowest
maintenance power filters made, and biowheels often fail to turn after a
while, I know nothing of Cannister filters, I'm like a veritable babe in the
woods.

Which are most reliable? Are there problems with leaks and the like? Which
type requires the most frequent maintenance. I like a hands-off aquarium.
Which types end up costing you the most with filter media etc.? Which type
are the least likely to break down? Which retain their flow best?

Jr

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I've used them all, so I have a valid right to pass judgment on this
question.

My favorite would be the Eheim ProII series.
My second choice would be the Eheim Classic series.

Eheim's are the most expensive, but by far, the most well made. The
quietest, and the longest lasting. And I'm speaking from experience.

You won't be sorry with an Eheim. I think I can almost guarantee it.

N8




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> Eheim, Fluval, or some other brand? Which model?
> I've used power filters for two decades and primarily because my
> girlfriend
> hates the sound of running water am finally switching to a cannister
> filter.
> Problem is, while for example I know Aquaclear are the most reliable
> lowest
> maintenance power filters made, and biowheels often fail to turn after a
> while, I know nothing of Cannister filters, I'm like a veritable babe in
> the
> woods.
>
> Which are most reliable? Are there problems with leaks and the like?
> Which
> type requires the most frequent maintenance. I like a hands-off aquarium.
> Which types end up costing you the most with filter media etc.? Which
> type
> are the least likely to break down? Which retain their flow best?
>
> Jr
>
>
>

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:00 pm
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"Big Dummy" <nobody.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Eheim, Fluval, or some other brand? Which model?
> I've used power filters for two decades and primarily because my
> girlfriend
> hates the sound of running water am finally switching to a cannister
> filter.
> Problem is, while for example I know Aquaclear are the most reliable
> lowest
> maintenance power filters made, and biowheels often fail to turn after a
> while, I know nothing of Cannister filters, I'm like a veritable babe in
> the
> woods.
>
> Which are most reliable? Are there problems with leaks and the like?
> Which
> type requires the most frequent maintenance. I like a hands-off aquarium.
> Which types end up costing you the most with filter media etc.? Which
> type
> are the least likely to break down? Which retain their flow best?
>
> Jr
>
>

Everybody's going to give you a different answer, because frankly most of
the manufacturers produce *excellent* canister filters and each brand has
developed it's own following. My choice is Aquaria, Inc., which makes Magnum
canisters. They are very quiet, strong and dependable. I've used the H.O.T.
250 with the available bio-wheel attachment and have never had any problems
since I started with them around 1995 or1996. The drawback with Magnum that
I've heard is that they are more difficult to open up and maintain than
other brands, but with me that's not an issue.

Mark Stone
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:49 am
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Nate wrote:

> I've used them all, so I have a valid right to pass judgment on this
> question.
>
> My favorite would be the Eheim ProII series.
> My second choice would be the Eheim Classic series.
>
> Eheim's are the most expensive, but by far, the most well made. The
> quietest, and the longest lasting. And I'm speaking from experience.
>
> You won't be sorry with an Eheim. I think I can almost guarantee it.
>
> N8


The lack of a quick disconnect on the Classic series would have to
knock them out of the running for "best", though they are just fine in
terms of filtration.

There is also an Eheim Pro Series that lacks the push to prime feature
and backpressure indicator. They are otherwise comparable to the ProII,
definitely high end.

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"George Pontis" <gpontis RemoveThis @spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> Nate wrote:
>
>> I've used them all, so I have a valid right to pass judgment on this
>> question.
>>
>> My favorite would be the Eheim ProII series.
>> My second choice would be the Eheim Classic series.
>>
>> Eheim's are the most expensive, but by far, the most well made. The
>> quietest, and the longest lasting. And I'm speaking from experience.
>>
>> You won't be sorry with an Eheim. I think I can almost guarantee it.
>>
>> N8
>
>
> The lack of a quick disconnect on the Classic series would have to
> knock them out of the running for "best", though they are just fine in
> terms of filtration.
>
> There is also an Eheim Pro Series that lacks the push to prime feature
> and backpressure indicator. They are otherwise comparable to the ProII,
> definitely high end.
>
> --


I would agree that the current offerings from Rena, Fluval & Eheim are all
quite good and reliable so I don't think there's a bad choice (with the
exception of the Eco series from Eheim which I have no experience with but
have read lots of grumbles). For servicing, I much prefer the current
Fluvals over the Eheim Classic series (which is just getting a little
dated).

jmo
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:41 pm
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The double tap connectors that come with the latest Eheim classics are as
quick to disconnect as anything. I like the no possibility for bypass
design.

N8



> The lack of a quick disconnect on the Classic series would have to
> knock them out of the running for "best", though they are just fine in
> terms of filtration.
>
> There is also an Eheim Pro Series that lacks the push to prime feature
> and backpressure indicator. They are otherwise comparable to the ProII,
> definitely high end.
>
> --
>
>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:51 pm
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"NetMax" <computeralias RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I would agree that the current offerings from Rena, Fluval & Eheim are all
> quite good and reliable so I don't think there's a bad choice (with the
> exception of the Eco series from Eheim which I have no experience with but
> have read lots of grumbles). For servicing, I much prefer the current
> Fluvals over the Eheim Classic series (which is just getting a little
> dated).

I'm nowhere close to being canister-savy, but I have an Eheim Ecco (my first
and so far only cannister) and I haven't had problems with it (that I'm
aware of). LOL It came recommended to me as a nice, easy cannister for
beginners.
What kind of grumbles have you heard?

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:06 am
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Well, I wanted to get the Eheim but ran across a Fluval 204 on sale for just
over $50 at a corporate chain pet store I happened to be in because my
girlfriend buys cat litter there (I prefer the little mom and pop LFS
generally even if some of the kit is cheaper at the chain)

Anyway, thus begins my first experience with a cannister in something like
15 years of keeping cichlids and always having mulitple tanks. To
reiterate, I had always stuck with the good old Aquaclear 300 or 500 because
of their simplicity, reliability and effectiveness (every other power filter
I ever tried eventually broke or dramatically deteriorated in terms of
performance). The power filters always worked fine, providing good aeration
and biological filtration, enough to keep my 55 and 75 gallon tanks cristal
clear literally for years. They did have a few drawbacks which most here
probably know of. In this case though we just moved to a fancy new
apartment and my girlfriend demanded I get a noiseless and inconspicuous
filter so I went with the cannister finally.

Very first impressions were good, it came with a lot of filter media
including foam, carbon, and those ceramic noodles for bacteria growth. The
whole thing looked pretty clean in terms of design and competently put
together, and clearly a whole step beyond the power filter in filtration.
Yesterday I was pretty pleased with it as it lay still in the box.

Tonght I put it together and was a bit put off as I started. My god the
complexity! I build plastic model kits as a hobby some times, tanks and
airplanes, and I found the instuctions for this thing pretty daunting in
comparison. Next part of the setup is you are supposed to cut the hose with
a knife and use half of it for the input and half for the out-flow.
Couldn't they come up with a better system for that? I ended up screwing
this up a bit and my inflow tube is now about a foot longer than the
outflow, requiring me to put a couple of old phone books under the cannister
filter to allow it to reach.

More problems with the hoses followed... to secure the hoses to the brackets
hanging over the rim and from there to the inflow and outflow nozzles, the
kit comes with these rubber bands which are the chief way you hold the hose
down onto the clamps over the rim of the tank. A bit weak of a design
considering how catastrophic it could be if the outflow hose especially were
to come loose and fall out of the tank! Is this how all these things work?
I was suddenly missing my simple hard plastic Aquaclear inflow nozzle.

The instructions also don't explain that you are meant to double these
rubber bands to hold everything in place causing me to have to redo the damn
thing after setting it up the first time. Suckers were popping off, water
getting everywhere... I was getting pretty frazzled. I got it together more
or less finally, but this whole aspect left me rather uncomfortable and I'm
going to buy a new hose and redo the whole thing from scratch again so that
it all fits together a bit better.

After that, it was a breeze, I used the manual primer to pump water through
the thing, then plugged it in. So far so good. The tank is a bit milky
from fine particles I wasn't able to completely wash out of the gravel, so
I'll see if this new fangled cannister filter can clean it up a bit tonight.

It's not too powerful in terms of flow, I didn't look up how many GPH but
eyeballing it, it looks about the same as the Aquaclear 300 I had been using
on the (new) tank previously, but it's only a 30 gallon cube tank so it
should be powerful enough. And my better half appreciates that quiet
operation.

DB
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:06 am
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You get what you pay for. You go cheap, you get cheap. Sorry for the
bluntness. Eheim's smoke those fluval's in every category. Except of
course, price.

N8







"Big Dummy" <nobody.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Well, I wanted to get the Eheim but ran across a Fluval 204 on sale for
> just
> over $50 at a corporate chain pet store I happened to be in because my
> girlfriend buys cat litter there (I prefer the little mom and pop LFS
> generally even if some of the kit is cheaper at the chain)
>
> Anyway, thus begins my first experience with a cannister in something like
> 15 years of keeping cichlids and always having mulitple tanks. To
> reiterate, I had always stuck with the good old Aquaclear 300 or 500
> because
> of their simplicity, reliability and effectiveness (every other power
> filter
> I ever tried eventually broke or dramatically deteriorated in terms of
> performance). The power filters always worked fine, providing good
> aeration
> and biological filtration, enough to keep my 55 and 75 gallon tanks
> cristal
> clear literally for years. They did have a few drawbacks which most here
> probably know of. In this case though we just moved to a fancy new
> apartment and my girlfriend demanded I get a noiseless and inconspicuous
> filter so I went with the cannister finally.
>
> Very first impressions were good, it came with a lot of filter media
> including foam, carbon, and those ceramic noodles for bacteria growth.
> The
> whole thing looked pretty clean in terms of design and competently put
> together, and clearly a whole step beyond the power filter in filtration.
> Yesterday I was pretty pleased with it as it lay still in the box.
>
> Tonght I put it together and was a bit put off as I started. My god the
> complexity! I build plastic model kits as a hobby some times, tanks and
> airplanes, and I found the instuctions for this thing pretty daunting in
> comparison. Next part of the setup is you are supposed to cut the hose
> with
> a knife and use half of it for the input and half for the out-flow.
> Couldn't they come up with a better system for that? I ended up screwing
> this up a bit and my inflow tube is now about a foot longer than the
> outflow, requiring me to put a couple of old phone books under the
> cannister
> filter to allow it to reach.
>
> More problems with the hoses followed... to secure the hoses to the
> brackets
> hanging over the rim and from there to the inflow and outflow nozzles, the
> kit comes with these rubber bands which are the chief way you hold the
> hose
> down onto the clamps over the rim of the tank. A bit weak of a design
> considering how catastrophic it could be if the outflow hose especially
> were
> to come loose and fall out of the tank! Is this how all these things
> work?
> I was suddenly missing my simple hard plastic Aquaclear inflow nozzle.
>
> The instructions also don't explain that you are meant to double these
> rubber bands to hold everything in place causing me to have to redo the
> damn
> thing after setting it up the first time. Suckers were popping off, water
> getting everywhere... I was getting pretty frazzled. I got it together
> more
> or less finally, but this whole aspect left me rather uncomfortable and
> I'm
> going to buy a new hose and redo the whole thing from scratch again so
> that
> it all fits together a bit better.
>
> After that, it was a breeze, I used the manual primer to pump water
> through
> the thing, then plugged it in. So far so good. The tank is a bit milky
> from fine particles I wasn't able to completely wash out of the gravel, so
> I'll see if this new fangled cannister filter can clean it up a bit
> tonight.
>
> It's not too powerful in terms of flow, I didn't look up how many GPH but
> eyeballing it, it looks about the same as the Aquaclear 300 I had been
> using
> on the (new) tank previously, but it's only a 30 gallon cube tank so it
> should be powerful enough. And my better half appreciates that quiet
> operation.
>
> DB
>
>
>
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"Nate" <nwatts.RemoveThis@wattscc.net> wrote in message news:1139567351_1@s1.com...
> You get what you pay for. You go cheap, you get cheap. Sorry for the
> bluntness. Eheim's smoke those fluval's in every category. Except of
> course, price.
>
> N8

There seemed to be some ambiguity in the group, many people said most of the
cannister filters now on the market are pretty good. The price difference
was $50 something vs. $150...

Do you think I should expect trouble with this filter or just somewhat less
performance and / or ease of assembly?

DB
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"MarAzul" <cricket1303 DeleteThis @NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "NetMax" <computeralias DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> I would agree that the current offerings from Rena, Fluval & Eheim are
>> all quite good and reliable so I don't think there's a bad choice (with
>> the exception of the Eco series from Eheim which I have no experience
>> with but have read lots of grumbles). For servicing, I much prefer the
>> current Fluvals over the Eheim Classic series (which is just getting a
>> little dated).
>
> I'm nowhere close to being canister-savy, but I have an Eheim Ecco (my
> first and so far only cannister) and I haven't had problems with it (that
> I'm aware of). LOL It came recommended to me as a nice, easy cannister for
> beginners.
> What kind of grumbles have you heard?
>
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What I heard (but have never seen) is that the Ecco stands for ECOnomy, and
its construction was not up to Eheim's standards. Grumblings about the
capacity and the quality of the components. There is more, but I'm not
comfortable commenting further, as I have had no personal experience with
this model. It might be a very good value for it's cost, and just didn't
meet elevated expectations. You should speak with someone who has both
Ecco's and other Eheims (or Renas/Fluvals etc) who might be able to make
more objective comparisons.
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Big Dummy wrote:

> "Nate" <nwatts.RemoveThis@wattscc.net> wrote in message
> news:1139567351_1@s1.com...
> > You get what you pay for. You go cheap, you get cheap. Sorry for
> > the bluntness. Eheim's smoke those fluval's in every category.
> > Except of course, price.
> >
> > N8
>
> There seemed to be some ambiguity in the group, many people said most
> of the cannister filters now on the market are pretty good. The
> price difference was $50 something vs. $150...
>
> Do you think I should expect trouble with this filter or just
> somewhat less performance and / or ease of assembly?
>
> DB


I have to agree that the hose management is not great on the Fluval,
but now that you are past that point the worst is behind you. The 204
is a fine size for a 30G tank. Although an Eheim might be quieter, it
won't matter if you can't hear either one. And $50 is a very good price
for a Fluval 204.

If it is any consolation, the Eheim pumps don't come with that great a
hose kit either. Eheim does make some very good, optional kits for
inlet and return but they are expensive. You can use them with any
canister, and you can also use plain hose with your Fluval. The Fluval
hose is more flexible, an advantage in many installations.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:52 pm
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George Pontis wrote:
> Big Dummy wrote:
>
>
>>"Nate" <nwatts.TakeThisOut@wattscc.net> wrote in message
>>news:1139567351_1@s1.com...
>>
>>>You get what you pay for. You go cheap, you get cheap. Sorry for
>>>the bluntness. Eheim's smoke those fluval's in every category.
>>>Except of course, price.
>>>
>>>N8
>>
>>There seemed to be some ambiguity in the group, many people said most
>>of the cannister filters now on the market are pretty good. The
>>price difference was $50 something vs. $150...
>>
>>Do you think I should expect trouble with this filter or just
>>somewhat less performance and / or ease of assembly?
>>
>>DB
>
>
>
> I have to agree that the hose management is not great on the Fluval,
> but now that you are past that point the worst is behind you. The 204
> is a fine size for a 30G tank. Although an Eheim might be quieter, it
> won't matter if you can't hear either one. And $50 is a very good price
> for a Fluval 204.
>
> If it is any consolation, the Eheim pumps don't come with that great a
> hose kit either. Eheim does make some very good, optional kits for
> inlet and return but they are expensive. You can use them with any
> canister, and you can also use plain hose with your Fluval. The Fluval
> hose is more flexible, an advantage in many installations.
>

I'm running a 204 with no issues on a 30UK gall tank...a 304 on a
47.5gall tank supplemented by a Fluval 4 plus with no issues...a 404 on
a 47.5gall tank supplemented by a Fluval 4 Plus on a 47.5 gall tank with
no issues...and I've just bought a FX5 for new tank I've set up but
haven't tried it yet....I also run the Fluval 2 Plus and 1 Plus on
smaller tanks...

I have had problems with a 304 failing once but it got replaced FOC -
I've also had issues with the smaller Rena filters....

Very much YMMV and JME....but I so no need right now to spend the extra
£100 on a Eheim...

Gill
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:34 am
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Anyone here have any suggestions or experiences with the Penn-Plax line of
canister filters, ie Cascade 1000 series?
Saw one at a local pet store but the store clerk didn't seem too
knowledgeable about them.


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> Eheim, Fluval, or some other brand? Which model?
> I've used power filters for two decades and primarily because my
> girlfriend
> hates the sound of running water am finally switching to a cannister
> filter.
> Problem is, while for example I know Aquaclear are the most reliable
> lowest
> maintenance power filters made, and biowheels often fail to turn after a
> while, I know nothing of Cannister filters, I'm like a veritable babe in
> the
> woods.
>
> Which are most reliable? Are there problems with leaks and the like?
> Which
> type requires the most frequent maintenance. I like a hands-off aquarium.
> Which types end up costing you the most with filter media etc.? Which
> type
> are the least likely to break down? Which retain their flow best?
>
> Jr
>
>
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Tony R wrote:
> Anyone here have any suggestions or experiences with the Penn-Plax line of
> canister filters, ie Cascade 1000 series?
> Saw one at a local pet store but the store clerk didn't seem too
> knowledgeable about them.
>
>
> "Big Dummy" <nobody.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> Eheim, Fluval, or some other brand? Which model?
>> I've used power filters for two decades and primarily because my
>> girlfriend
>> hates the sound of running water am finally switching to a cannister
>> filter.
>> Problem is, while for example I know Aquaclear are the most reliable
>> lowest
>> maintenance power filters made, and biowheels often fail to turn after a
>> while, I know nothing of Cannister filters, I'm like a veritable babe in
>> the
>> woods.
>>
>> Which are most reliable? Are there problems with leaks and the like?
>> Which
>> type requires the most frequent maintenance. I like a hands-off aquarium.
>> Which types end up costing you the most with filter media etc.? Which
>> type
>> are the least likely to break down? Which retain their flow best?
>>
>> Jr
>>
>>
>
>
I have used Eheims for many years with no problems. They are quiet and
reliable, and parts are available and user installable.
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Filter noise - I have two Emperor 400s on my tank - one is nearly silent - the other has a rattling sound - I've already tried changing the impellor - in addition to a thorough cleaning, making sure the manifold is seated properly in the filter body, and making sure..
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