behavioral question...

On Feb 23, 12:03 am, "Wojciech Milc / The Power Of Dreams"
<wojciech.m....RemoveThis@milc.pl> wrote:
> U¿ytkownik wrote:
> > We have a juvinille malawi cichlid born in our tank (species unknown)
> > exhibiting some strange behavior.
>
> How long (cm) is the fish? How old?
>
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> milc


S/He is between 6-7 cm and is about 9 months old. The age is an
approximation, for we were not even aware that there had been any
reproduction going on in our tank until we saw "Pee-Wee" as a
juvinille of ~ 1-2 cm. What do you think?

thanks!
k
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Hi..

> anyone seen similar behavior? Any advice?

"Looks" respectively sounds like a mouthbreeding _she_ ..!

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Marco
BTW: TFA "The Freshwater Aquarium" exist..
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<katurk DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 23, 12:03 am, "Wojciech Milc / The Power Of Dreams"
<wojciech.m... DeleteThis @milc.pl> wrote:
> U¿ytkownik wrote:
> > We have a juvinille malawi cichlid born in our tank (species unknown)
> > exhibiting some strange behavior.
>
> How long (cm) is the fish? How old?
>
> -- !
> milc


S/He is between 6-7 cm and is about 9 months old. The age is an
approximation, for we were not even aware that there had been any
reproduction going on in our tank until we saw "Pee-Wee" as a
juvinille of ~ 1-2 cm. What do you think?

thanks!
k

Your fish has a mouthful of eggs
I normally wait 2 weeks and 'strip' them
research 'fry saver' and 'milking' malawi cichlids
now if you don't have 2 of the same species the babys will be hybrids
not as bad as you may read, just gotta warn anyone ya pass fry onto
If she is getting skinny I would definitely strip her and raise the fry
seperate (floating frysaver)
that way she can start eating again
One of your fish should be extra pretty and dominant
Malawi cichlids go on a bit of a power trip when they finally get lucky!
:)
Swarvegorilla
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U¿ytkownik wrote:
> On Feb 23, 12:03 am, "Wojciech Milc / The Power Of Dreams"
> <wojciech.m....DeleteThis@milc.pl> wrote:
>> U¿ytkownik wrote:
>>> We have a juvinille malawi cichlid born in our tank (species
unknown)
>>> exhibiting some strange behavior.
>>
>> How long (cm) is the fish? How old?
>
> S/He is between 6-7 cm and is about 9 months old. The age is an
> approximation, for we were not even aware that there had been any
> reproduction going on in our tank until we saw "Pee-Wee" as a
> juvinille of ~ 1-2 cm. What do you think?

That's just a reason of my question about size/age :-)

You should celebrate - you have a mommy with a mouthfull of
eggs. If she is not expirienced mother, she may have some
problems with feeding during those ~2 weeks, until she
lets the fry go. But she will make it, do not worry. The
next breeds will be more noumerous and she will learn
how to eat without problems.

If this is a single fish of the given species in your tank,
you should not keep the fry - they will be "bastards", and
it is a bad habit to raise bastards. Just leave her in the
tank, and when finally she will let the fry out, the other
fish shall take care of the fry (I mean it will be consumed :-)

As to "stripping" of female and artifical raising of fry, those
methods are also very bad and should not be encouraged. Stripping
and using fry savers makes fish population weaker - because
then even the weakest specimens make it, which is unwanted.

You also should not let the bastard fry go to other people.

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Hi U2..

[...attitude _and_ tradition...]

Well I guess it's finally a question of attitude and
tradition. No doubt all of us come from more or less
different fish keeping traditions with different DOs and
DON'Ts and different views to the things..

Personally I'd agree to all that might encourage natural
behaviour and might avoid distress and of course
overstocking.. ;-)

[... quality versus quantity...]

I'd personally vote for strong and healthy fish and natural
reproduction methods and refuges. Less is sometimes more..

@ U2:
[...tunnel visions...]

Stop this battle or _I_ will decide who's right or
wrong..! ;-)

[...entering the on topic part of the message...]

> Katurk..... I hope you got something from those posts
> people get a bit emotional over these issues
> and I reccomend throwing the terms stripping, milking,
> frysaver into google and making up your own mind
> Malawi people can be quite full on
> I also didn't mean to highjack your thread there
> good luck with the gobful!

See no need for "milk and strip" at all. This is (was!) a
beginner's thread in a hobbyist group. And the OP only
asked a simple question..

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Marco
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Marco Schwarz wrote:
> @ U2:
> [...tunnel visions...]
>
> Stop this battle or _I_ will decide who's right or
> wrong..! ;-)

DO IT! DO IT! :-)

> And the OP only asked a simple question..

Yeah, I also think this is all his fault :-)

Just joking :-)

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swarvegorilla wrote:

> I fail to see the problem.

It's just a matter of self-chosen principles. We chose
some principles and then we try to hold on to them
as close as it is possible, considering our personal
skills/money/needs of course.

> Now I apologise if I was a bit blunt before
> god knows you Poles have had a pretty rough time of it
> And those of you left were either somehow smarter or better at hiding.

I think you are thinking about Balkan countries or
something, there was no such hard time in our country
in the seventies :-) We were just isolated, which
includes CNN :-)

> the pack is still gonna thin the herd any chance it gets
> cichlids are good at that

This is somehow good point.

> using a pop top bottle to squirt water from the aquarium
> into a fishes mouth and flush the fry out
> into a bucket of aquarium water
> takes 2 seconds, and 24 hours later the mother is swimming around
normal

Hmmm... you posted some nice passage before, something
about point of view... try the fish point of view during
the above procedure.

> If I have to use vet administered hormone injections to spawn catfish
> that would normally need to school in the hundreds to trigger a spawn
> I do it.

Yeah, I heard about spawning catfish under higher water pressure too.

> Mbuna for example crowd well
> I defie anyone to prove that and overstocked over rocked tank full of
> mbuna are unhappy if maintained well

Yes - maintained well. With proper filtration, proper water
changes, 0 mg NO2, up to 50 mg NO3. But a lots of those overcrowded
tanks are just fish soup, and owner just retrieves about 10 dead fish
monthly, thinking everything is OK, "BECAUSE THEY ARE SPAWNING,
SO THEY ARE HAPPY". In fact, this is a problem with Mbuna - they
spawn in almost all circumstances.

> I also don't follow how producing quantity has anything to do with
quality

Hmmm. Ever had a swiss made watch? Ever seen an asian similar product?

> Now I realise this conversation has no end point.

Of course, and it would not mean well if it had.

> zebs, rustys and fullys are not going to die out anytime soon

Acc. to Red List, they are not endangered because there are
little left in the nature. The are vunerable, because they
are endemic to small territory, and because the flush time
of the Malawi lake is about 600 years. So some negative
influence, which would be a minor problem in Amazon for
example, would be fatal there.

> If my comments are truely apprieciated by the purists here
> I can just unsubscribe

You have to understand, that as your opinions are sometimes
unacceptable to me (for example, I would never skin a cat :-),
they are also valuable. Otherwise I would stop after first message.

> ya can't make people do more frequent partial water changes

Yeah, but why should I stop trying?

> But as it stands I am happy to defend milking/stripping

Hmmm, how close to porn can we get? :-)

Regards, milc, 500L Malawi Mbuna Tank
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Hi..

>> Stop this battle or _I_ will decide who's right or
>> wrong..! ;-)
> DO IT! DO IT! :-)

Well made my decision..! _You_ are right..! :-)

>> And the OP only asked a simple question..
> Yeah, I also think this is all his fault :-)
> Just joking :-)

Poor OP - LOL..!

@ swarvegorilla:

No doubt about it: you're an experienced fish keeper and
breeder and I'm sure you're _inwardly_ a very nice guy and
this is why I'd recommend to behave as follows:

1: wash your teeth with soap until it's heavily foaming
2: rinse it with marine tank water
3: finally make a (your!) decision: "swallowing versus
spitting" ;-)

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Marco
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swarvegorilla wrote:
> the future belongs to the cephs and jellys
> Muhahahahahahahahaha!!!

No. The future belongs to people capable of
using computers. They will rule the world. And
they will be called "secretaries".

:-) It's something by Scott Adams/Dilbert, AFAIK.

Regards, milc, 500L Malawi Mbuna Tank
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"Wojciech Milc / The Power Of Dreams" <wojciech.milc DeleteThis @milc.pl> wrote in
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> swarvegorilla wrote:
>> the future belongs to the cephs and jellys
>> Muhahahahahahahahaha!!!
>
> No. The future belongs to people capable of
> using computers. They will rule the world. And
> they will be called "secretaries".
>
> :-) It's something by Scott Adams/Dilbert, AFAIK.
>


Hey dilbert rocks
but seriously the jellys are exploding and eating all the little fish
which means less big fish to eat the cephs
as the oceans warm our new masters will
arise from the depths
Hmmm.....
A secretary could problem help me with my period problem though
that or a spell check.

Dammit squid where are you!
hurry the frick up
:)
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swarvegorilla wrote:
>
> Hey dilbert rocks
> but seriously the jellys are exploding and eating all the little fish
> which means less big fish to eat the cephs
> as the oceans warm our new masters will
> arise from the depths
> Hmmm.....
> A secretary could problem help me with my period problem though
> that or a spell check.
>
> Dammit squid where are you!
> hurry the frick up

By the way - what the hell are you smoking there?

Must be really good stuff :-)

milc
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"Wojciech Milc / The Power Of Dreams" <wojciech.milc RemoveThis @milc.pl> wrote in
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> swarvegorilla wrote:
>>
>> Hey dilbert rocks
>> but seriously the jellys are exploding and eating all the little fish
>> which means less big fish to eat the cephs
>> as the oceans warm our new masters will
>> arise from the depths
>> Hmmm.....
>> A secretary could problem help me with my period problem though
>> that or a spell check.
>>
>> Dammit squid where are you!
>> hurry the frick up
>
> By the way - what the hell are you smoking there?
>
> Must be really good stuff :-)
>
> milc
>

worse mate....
catch me 3 days into quitting I'm afraid.
Nicotine is a hell of a drug.
Praise the lord for patches and lots of tanks to water change to get ya thru
sleepness nights.
happy happy... Grrrrrr..... happy happy..... Grrrrr...... happy happy.....
Grrrrr.... happy happy......
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