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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:41 pm
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:28:33 -0500, "Judy" <doubleq RemoveThis @cableracer.com>
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>And "you have to prove it" means that the government is assuming it was done
>illegally unless I can prove otherwise. Guilty until I can prove otherwise.
Presumtion of innocence is only in criminal cases, not so in civil
cases. Thats why when you drive to florida on the 95 corridor, you
take a chance of having all of your money confiscated as suspected
drug money. And you have to come back and PROVE it is not drug money.
They do not have to prove it is, they simply make the assertion and
you have to prove otherwise. They steal cars this way too, but they
are smart and usually stick to lower end cars that aren't worth enough
to travel back and forth 5-6-7(plus a lawyer, since you can't get a PD
since it's a civil case) times to prove the car wasn't bought with
drug money.
You would be amazed at what some states are doing to people,
especially towns along an interstate highway. There are at least 5
states that have come under federal investigation for stealing
people's property. And they are just the states that shows like
frontline and 20/20 investigated. And PA is very big on this.
Philadelphia alone steals so many cars that they have to have auctions
every few months just to make room.
Philadelphis is currently trying to enact legislation that will let
the police stop and frisk anyone for any reason. If you are a race
that is a minority in the neighborhood you are in, you will be
searched and made to make an account of yourself. If the police
decide for whatever reason that you are there to buy drugs, they can
confiscate your money. And this already exists in other cities, so
don't expect a big fight. They are also fighting to ban guns in
Philadelphia as well, as if drug dealers and thugs have licenses to
cary and bought their gun in a store with ID.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:34 pm
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montana wildhack <montana.TakeThisOut@wildhack.com.invalid> wrote in
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> On 2008-01-26 03:23:24 -0500, Kevin Michael Vail
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>> In article <13pln93lg0his52.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
>> "Beth In Alaska" <bethinak.TakeThisOut@spamfreeclearwire.net> wrote:
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>>> But ears are a whole nother ball of wax.
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>> Not if you clean them properly!
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> I think BethF was saying that she wasn't a fan of ear cropping,
> but could see some reasons for tail docking, if the tail were
> likely to be easily damaged...
I think you missed a JOKE. Anyway, it made me giggle.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:34 pm
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:34 pm
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In article <2008012613394575249-montana@wildhackcominvalid>,
montana wildhack <montana DeleteThis @wildhack.com.invalid> wrote:
>Sometimes I
>channel Margaret Dumont...
Hey! Sometimes I channel Groucho Marx!
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:39 pm
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"tiny dancer" <tinydancer357.RemoveThis@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in
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> You won't get any argument from me. I think both practices are a
> bit barbaric.
Barbaric is making a dog keep a tail that will continually be split
open. If you've never actually dealt with that, then maybe you
should shut up on the subject of barbarism re tail docking?
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:39 pm
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In article <fnfgn6$quj$5@registered.motzarella.org>,
Shelly <scouvrette RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>Barbaric is making a dog keep a tail that will continually be split
>open. If you've never actually dealt with that, then maybe you
>should shut up on the subject of barbarism re tail docking?
I think for a lot of people "working dogs" is an AKC group
rather than what the dogs actually do. You'd think a dog
enthusiast would know better, and come to think of it a dog
enthusiast probably does. tiny - not that interested in
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:39 pm
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:39 pm
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"Shelly" <scouvrette DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "tiny dancer" <tinydancer357 DeleteThis @nospamhotmail.com> wrote in
> news:KfAmj.73429$rc2.14244@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
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>> You won't get any argument from me. I think both practices are a
>> bit barbaric.
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> Barbaric is making a dog keep a tail that will continually be split
> open. If you've never actually dealt with that, then maybe you
> should shut up on the subject of barbarism re tail docking?
I'd assume that not all dogs have problems with split tails. Otherwise all
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:39 pm
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In article <k5lmp3lnt770428v66d43u6ad199th8g83.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
elegy <elegy.TakeThisOut@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
>i just can't make that argument work for me. greyhounds have the
>skinniest, whippiest tails i've ever seen, but they're not docked. the
>boxers i've seen with tails have very similar equipment to pit bulls,
>and pit bulls are not docked.
Those dogs all have different jobs.
Mind you, the typical pet dog doesn't really do all that
much of anything and I can't see docking in those
circumstances (unless there's a medical/physical) reason.
I'm not too keen on surgery for esthetic reasons alone.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:01 pm
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elegy <elegy.DeleteThis@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in
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> i just can't make that argument work for me. greyhounds have the
> skinniest, whippiest tails i've ever seen, but they're not docked.
> the boxers i've seen with tails have very similar equipment to pit
> bulls, and pit bulls are not docked.
I'm not recommending that Greyhound tails be docked. Or Pit Bulls.
Or, even, Boxers. I'm just saying that, having had to care for a dog
whose tail was a mess, and whose owners refused to have it docked
onna counta "it's barbaric," I think Tiny's blanket characterization
of tail docking as "barbaric" is ignorant.
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:01 pm
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:01 pm
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"elegy" <elegy.RemoveThis@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:01:54 +0000 (UTC), Shelly
> <scouvrette.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>elegy <elegy.RemoveThis@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in
>>news:k5lmp3lnt770428v66d43u6ad199th8g83@4ax.com:
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>>> i just can't make that argument work for me. greyhounds have the
>>> skinniest, whippiest tails i've ever seen, but they're not docked.
>>> the boxers i've seen with tails have very similar equipment to pit
>>> bulls, and pit bulls are not docked.
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>>I'm not recommending that Greyhound tails be docked. Or Pit Bulls.
>>Or, even, Boxers. I'm just saying that, having had to care for a dog
>>whose tail was a mess, and whose owners refused to have it docked
>>onna counta "it's barbaric," I think Tiny's blanket characterization
>>of tail docking as "barbaric" is ignorant.
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> i don't know if i'd call it barbaric, but i'd sure call it needless in
> most cases. and having held countless puppies while they've had their
> tails cut off, it's really something i would not cry about seeing go
> away.
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> i wouldn't hesitate to amputate a chronic happy tail, but that's
> different. that's a cure to a medical condition. i took harv's eye out
> for the same reason.
I'm saying it is my opinion that the needless cropping or docking for
appearance I find objectionable. Of course if there is a medical reason,
that is a completely different matter and should be addressed as such.
Our Gracie came to us with a chopped off tail. Certainly not a professional
job by any means. Dh almost didn't want her because of her tail. I wanted
her regardless. He loved our deceased Murphy dogs tail. Sometimes when I
watch Gracie happily wagging her *stub*, I wonder what she went through when
who ever it was chopped off her tail.
Of course we now find her *stub* wonderfully endearing to us, but I don't
like to wonder what she went through when it was cut off. I use the term
barbaric because that's what it is to me. I'm also still reminded of the
neighbood pit bull with the ragged, bloody ears, and the cries he yelped as
he bumped them into me as I was petting him.
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:01 pm
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In article <LIJmj.65901$N67.22157@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
tiny dancer <tinydancer357.TakeThisOut@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>I'm saying it is my opinion that the needless cropping or docking for
>appearance I find objectionable. Of course if there is a medical reason,
>that is a completely different matter and should be addressed as such.
Compare that with what you actually wrote. Then go take
some freakin' writing lessons.
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:14 pm
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elegy <elegy.DeleteThis@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in
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> i don't know if i'd call it barbaric, but i'd sure call it
> needless in most cases. and having held countless puppies while
> they've had their tails cut off, it's really something i would not
> cry about seeing go away.
It may be needless in many or even most cases. Or maybe it isn't. I
don't know enough about docking to make blanket statements. Nor does
Tiny.
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:14 pm
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In article <2008012613394575249-montana@wildhackcominvalid>,
montana wildhack <montana.RemoveThis@wildhack.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 2008-01-26 09:34:33 -0500, Shelly <scouvrette.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> said:
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> > I think you missed a JOKE. Anyway, it made me giggle.
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> Yes. I was in serious mode and missed the point entirely. Sometimes I
> channel Margaret Dumont...
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
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