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Since: Sep 14, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 11:09 pm
Post subject: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten?
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I'm not a vegetarian, and don't plan to be anytime soon.
Currently, I do not eat veal or pork for ethical reasons, and though I
don't feel great about eating other meats, am not going to stop just
yet.
Given that I will continue to eat meat for the time being, but want to
cause less suffering to animals, I wonder if I am choosing
appropriately.
For example, I believe that a pig is more aware than a chicken, has
more emotional capacity, and will feel more suffering during
captivity.
On the other hand, a chicken is much smaller, so a person eating
chicken for a year will be responsible for many more animals in
captivity than a person who eats pork for a year.
I realize that what I'm asking is largely a matter of opinion, however
I have very little knowledge of animal rights and hope that a few
informed opinions could help me make a better decision.
Sorry I am not now willing to eliminate meat from my diet; I hope my
post isn't too offensive. Just seeking advice to do a little less harm
than I am now. |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:38 pm
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Michael David wrote:
> I'm not a vegetarian, and don't plan to be anytime soon.
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> Currently, I do not eat veal or pork for ethical reasons, and though I
> don't feel great about eating other meats, am not going to stop just
> yet.
You obviously are a weak, contemptible person, then.
You "feel" some kind of injustice is being done, but
you're "not ready" to inconvenience yourself in order
to try to redress it. Then, when you finally do,
you're going to crow to the heavens about your virtue.
Fuck off and die. The world is already overfull of
sanctimonious liars. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Michael David" <xjukx DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not a vegetarian, and don't plan to be anytime soon.
>
> Currently, I do not eat veal or pork for ethical reasons, and though I
> don't feel great about eating other meats, am not going to stop just
> yet.
>
> Given that I will continue to eat meat for the time being, but want to
> cause less suffering to animals, I wonder if I am choosing
> appropriately.
>
> For example, I believe that a pig is more aware than a chicken, has
> more emotional capacity, and will feel more suffering during
> captivity.
> On the other hand, a chicken is much smaller, so a person eating
> chicken for a year will be responsible for many more animals in
> captivity than a person who eats pork for a year.
>
> I realize that what I'm asking is largely a matter of opinion, however
> I have very little knowledge of animal rights and hope that a few
> informed opinions could help me make a better decision.
>
> Sorry I am not now willing to eliminate meat from my diet; I hope my
> post isn't too offensive. Just seeking advice to do a little less harm
> than I am now.
Michael, if you are serious - don't mess about- do it!
It's not like giving up drinking or smoking.
Please try it for a couple of days. E-A-S-Y.
Note. Please take no notice of ~~jonnieBall~~.
He drinks metal polish and his best friend is a breadloaf. >> Stay informed about: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Michael David" <xjukx DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not a vegetarian, and don't plan to be anytime soon.
>
> Currently, I do not eat veal or pork for ethical reasons, and though I
> don't feel great about eating other meats, am not going to stop just
> yet.
>
> Given that I will continue to eat meat for the time being, but want to
> cause less suffering to animals, I wonder if I am choosing
> appropriately.
>
> For example, I believe that a pig is more aware than a chicken, has
> more emotional capacity, and will feel more suffering during
> captivity.
> On the other hand, a chicken is much smaller, so a person eating
> chicken for a year will be responsible for many more animals in
> captivity than a person who eats pork for a year.
>
> I realize that what I'm asking is largely a matter of opinion, however
> I have very little knowledge of animal rights and hope that a few
> informed opinions could help me make a better decision.
>
> Sorry I am not now willing to eliminate meat from my diet; I hope my
> post isn't too offensive. Just seeking advice to do a little less harm
> than I am now.
I approached vegetarianism in a similar way.
Meat eating is socially ingrained in our societies, being for many, a custom
and practice, so it can be difficult to give up. I suggest carrying on as
you are, but reducing the meat content gradually. Many meals can be made by
the use of meat substitutes like quorn or soya mince, etc.
I make much less use of meat substitutes know, given time and cooking
practice.
(Ignore ~~jonnie~~ he's an evil dwarf.) >> Stay informed about: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:32 pm
Post subject: Re: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Michael David" <xjukx DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote
> I'm not a vegetarian, and don't plan to be anytime soon.
>
> Currently, I do not eat veal or pork for ethical reasons, and though I
> don't feel great about eating other meats, am not going to stop just
> yet.
>
> Given that I will continue to eat meat for the time being, but want to
> cause less suffering to animals, I wonder if I am choosing
> appropriately.
>
> For example, I believe that a pig is more aware than a chicken, has
> more emotional capacity, and will feel more suffering during
> captivity.
> On the other hand, a chicken is much smaller, so a person eating
> chicken for a year will be responsible for many more animals in
> captivity than a person who eats pork for a year.
>
> I realize that what I'm asking is largely a matter of opinion, however
> I have very little knowledge of animal rights and hope that a few
> informed opinions could help me make a better decision.
>
> Sorry I am not now willing to eliminate meat from my diet; I hope my
> post isn't too offensive. Just seeking advice to do a little less harm
> than I am now.
Don't stumble blindly into simplistic dichotomies. The issue of the
death of large numbers of mammals, birds, amphibians and others killed
and mutilated in the production of plant foods makes this process much
less simple than you contemplate. Rather than thinking in terms of
eliminating particular categories of food or animals, think of
discovering how and where the food was raised. Just as you can choose
free-range eggs or chickens, choosing locally raised and slaughtered
meat or freshly caught fish may do more to relieve animal suffering than
choosing factory farmed rice. >> Stay informed about: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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dh_ld.RemoveThis@nomail.com wrote:
> On 14 Sep 2003 23:09:52 -0700, xjukx.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (Michael David) wrote:
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>>I'm not a vegetarian, and don't plan to be anytime soon.
>
>
> You can contribute to decent lives for farm animals, but
> not by being veg*n.
That is an absurd idea.
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>
>>Currently, I do not eat veal or pork for ethical reasons, and though I
>>don't feel great about eating other meats, am not going to stop just
>>yet.
>>
>>Given that I will continue to eat meat for the time being, but want to
>>cause less suffering to animals, I wonder if I am choosing
>>appropriately.
>>
>>For example, I believe that a pig is more aware than a chicken, has
>>more emotional capacity, and will feel more suffering during
>>captivity.
>>On the other hand, a chicken is much smaller, so a person eating
>>chicken for a year will be responsible for many more animals in
>>captivity than a person who eats pork for a year.
>
>
> Most broiler chickens have a pretty good though short life.
What objective information do you base that on? Oh,
now I remember: you have none.
> They are put in a large open house when they are small, and
> don't really start to get too crowded until they are about ready
> to be killed. I doubt they ever even notice...they aren't very
> bright. Some of them get picked on and abused, but most
> of them have a pretty decent life.
Projection.
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>>I realize that what I'm asking is largely a matter of opinion, however
>>I have very little knowledge of animal rights
>
>
> "Animal Rights" would mean two things:
> the elimination of domestic animals
So what?
> the elimination of human wildlife population management.
False. >> Stay informed about: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:48 pm
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"Dutch" <no.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael David" <xjukx.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote
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> > I'm not a vegetarian, and don't plan to be anytime soon.
> >
> > Currently, I do not eat veal or pork for ethical reasons, and though I
> > don't feel great about eating other meats, am not going to stop just
> > yet.
> >
> > Given that I will continue to eat meat for the time being, but want to
> > cause less suffering to animals, I wonder if I am choosing
> > appropriately.
> >
> > For example, I believe that a pig is more aware than a chicken, has
> > more emotional capacity, and will feel more suffering during
> > captivity.
> > On the other hand, a chicken is much smaller, so a person eating
> > chicken for a year will be responsible for many more animals in
> > captivity than a person who eats pork for a year.
> >
> > I realize that what I'm asking is largely a matter of opinion, however
> > I have very little knowledge of animal rights and hope that a few
> > informed opinions could help me make a better decision.
> >
> > Sorry I am not now willing to eliminate meat from my diet; I hope my
> > post isn't too offensive. Just seeking advice to do a little less harm
> > than I am now.
>
> Don't stumble blindly into simplistic dichotomies. The issue of the
> death of large numbers of mammals, birds, amphibians and others killed
> and mutilated in the production of plant foods makes this process much
> less simple than you contemplate. Rather than thinking in terms of
> eliminating particular categories of food or animals, think of
> discovering how and where the food was raised. Just as you can choose
> free-range eggs or chickens, choosing locally raised and slaughtered
> meat or freshly caught fish may do more to relieve animal suffering than
> choosing factory farmed rice.
You've been reading "Canoe North".
>
> >> Stay informed about: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:48 pm
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"Ray" <camcompany RemoveThis @ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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snippage..
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> You've been reading "Canoe North".
everyone should. I doubt that you'd learn anything though. you've gone to
great lengths to stay terminally stupid so far. >> Stay informed about: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:42 am
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Jon Janssen wrote:
> "Michael David" <xjukx.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6d308703.0309142209.4fac2ddf@posting.google.com...
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>>I'm not a vegetarian, and don't plan to be anytime soon.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>Sorry I am not now willing to eliminate meat from my diet; I hope my
>>post isn't too offensive. Just seeking advice to do a little less harm
>>than I am now.
>
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> hi, i'm vegan but not pushy,
That's because you're a milquetoast. >> Stay informed about: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:49 am
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:18 pm
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"usual suspect" <no.RemoveThis@foot.rub> wrote in message
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> Bong Janssen wrote:
> <...>
> > hi, i'm vegan but not pushy,
>
> Vegans ARE pushy. It goes hand-in-hand with marginalization and
alienation.
Were you pushy when you called yourself a vegan? >> Stay informed about: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:29 pm
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:44 pm
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"usual suspect" <no RemoveThis @foot.rub> wrote in message
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> Zakhar wrote:
> >>>hi, i'm vegan but not pushy,
> >>
> >>Vegans ARE pushy. It goes hand-in-hand with marginalization and
> > alienation.
> >
> > Were you pushy when you called yourself a vegan?
>
> Rarely, but the pushiness market isn't cornered by vegans. You're proof
> of that.
Give some evidence.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:44 pm
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Zakhar wrote:
>>>>>hi, i'm vegan but not pushy,
>>>>
>>>>Vegans ARE pushy. It goes hand-in-hand with marginalization and
>>>alienation.
>>>
>>>Were you pushy when you called yourself a vegan?
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>>Rarely, but the pushiness market isn't cornered by vegans. You're proof
>>of that.
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> Give some evidence.
How about now. You're being pushy. >> Stay informed about: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:56 pm
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"usual suspect" <no.RemoveThis@foot.rub> wrote in message
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> Zakhar wrote:
> >>>>>hi, i'm vegan but not pushy,
> >>>>
> >>>>Vegans ARE pushy. It goes hand-in-hand with marginalization and
> >>>alienation.
> >>>
> >>>Were you pushy when you called yourself a vegan?
> >>
> >>Rarely, but the pushiness market isn't cornered by vegans. You're proof
> >>of that.
> >
> > Give some evidence.
>
> How about now. You're being pushy.
Aw, you big softy!
Strange how vegans ARE pushy except when the vegan is you.
> >> Stay informed about: Which animals suffer most, per pound eaten? |
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