HOWEDY tara o. aka tee,
"Tee" <crappolagozhere DeleteThis @netscape.net> wrote in message
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> "B. Rhodes" <REMOVEendzeit DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote in message
> news:iJKpd.61161$_g6.28490@okepread03...
> >
> > Any advice anyone could give us would be greatly appreciated!
>
> There could be any number of causes
The dogs are EITHER playing or fighting.
> & solutions
We TRAIN ALL behaviors the same way.
> for what you describe to be honest.
Well you're a proven liar and dog abuser and
mental case. REMEMBER tara o. aka tee?
> It doesn't sound like you've given the dogs a
> proper chance to work things out on their own.
You mean let them fight it HOWET.
> Either that or you've downplayed their actions
> when describing them here.
The PROBLEM is the dogs ain't PLAYIN NICE.
> Whenever a person brings a new dog into
> the home of an existing dog they have to
> expect a pecking order/feeling out stage to
> take place.
You mean like HOWE you'd let children
FIGHT IT HOWET, tara o. aka tee? THAT'S
HOWE COME your daughter is on ANTI
PSYCHOTIC MEDICATION in first grade.
> That's Elvis' home,
"Mi casa es su casa," a Spanish EXXXPRESSION.
> his territory,
Share an share alike.
> his people and now Kandy is there and he
> may not be very happy about that.
Well then you gotta MAKE them HAPPY.
> Kandy, on the other hand, may be trying to just
> fit in, to take over the household & its territory, or
> to just get her bearings without any regard to territory.
You think she's a psychopath?
> Dogs who have been recently rehomed go
> through the same kind of stress you can
> imagine a person going through when they're
> suddenly thrust into strange surroundings
> with strange people.
That so? CITES PLEASE?
> For the very timid it makes them act
> frightened and easy prey to the existing
> dog.
Well that's a load of crap tara o. aka tee.
> For the very dominant
There AIN'T no such thing, tara o. aka tee.
> it makes them very bossy
You mean AFRAID.
ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.
ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> in an overt attempt to become number one.
No tara o. aka tee, it's TERROR.
> For the midline dogs
A dog is a dog.
> its a bit of both
THAT'S INSANE.
> plus a real possibility of having the
> existing dog trigger a defense reaction.
YOU MEAN FEAR.
> In other words,
FEAR don't need noMOORE words, tara o. aka tee.
ALL aggression is FEAR. THAT'S HOWE COME
you HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER dogs.
REMEMBER?
> it depends entirely on each dog
"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs,
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
> and what body language they are displaying.
By the time you SEE the BODY LANGUAGE
the MIND has already passed the PREGNANT
MOMENT to BREAK the behavior.
> Is Elvis being truly aggressive
ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.
> and bossy towards Kandy?
THAT'S INSANE.
> Is Kandy acting timidly,
You mean AFRAID.
It's IRRELEVENT.
> midline or dominant towards Elvis?
THAT'S INSANE.
> Have you noticed any particular items or
> issues that are more prone to sparking the
> behavior you describe?
Any behavior that's CONSISTENT PREDICTABLE
or REPEATABLE is EZ to EXXXTINGUISH NEARLY
INSTANTLY.
> Things like being near food, at feeding time,
THAT'S HOWE COME we don't BRIBE dogs.
> getting attention from you, vying for the preferred
> spot on the sofa, etc.
All the things that could make her AFRAID.
> As for the reaction you describe, as others
> have pointed out, it could be play, it could
> be a feeling out stage, it could be mounting
> aggression.
It COULD be ANYTHING.
But it AIN'T.
And it don't matter on accHOWENT of
we train ALL behaviors the same way.
> You should know though that dogs,
> including females, often choose
> humping as a means of feeling out
> a new dog.
Humping for non sexual reasons is a
SYMPTOM of anxiHOWESNESS. Most
of the EXXXPERTS here have dogs who
hump EXXXCESSIVELY. Like professor
"SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!"
into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock IT
in a box for ten minutes contemplation
dermer's little dog Maxie The Magnificent
FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive
Masturbator when IT misses his daily
five miles of bicycle chasing "mine goes
BONKERS."
> In my female's case its a purely dominant gesture.
THAT'S INSANE.
> If the other dog allows her to mount him/her
> then she accepts them and they allow her to
> be leader in all things.
You mean they don't attack her when
she throws her weight arHOWEND.
> If they don't allow her to hump them, or
> they continually try to hump her (and her
> reaction is *not* pretty to that),
You mean she attacks them on accHOWENT
of you don't know HOWE to pupperly handle
and train your dogs on accHOWENT of you're
a dog abusing mental case who MURDERED
her own DEAD DOG Summer for FEAR AGGRESSION
of SMALL CHILDREN despite that she was
RAISED with them.
THAT'S HOWE COME you can't post here
abHOWETS no doGgamenedMOORE.
> then I'm in for several days of an "I'm the real boss"
> tug-of-war which requires close supervsion to keep
> a serious fight from occurring.
THAT'S HOWE COME they FEAR each other.
You TEACH them FEAR when you hurt and
intimdiate them to PROTECT them.
> Either way though,
You HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER dogs
and LIE abHOWET it on accHOWENT of
you're a PSYCHOPATH.
> I think you need to allow them to do this ritual
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's breeds are English
Mastiffs and Great Danes. You can't allHOWE
them to square off in your HOWES and you can't
INTIMIDATE them not to be AFRAID.
> and see where it goes.
You mean rely on SHEER LUCK.
> If one of them gets very nasty
You could get a couple DEAD DOGS HOWETA it.
Your pal suja's and culprit's OPPOSITE SEX dogs
both went to the emergency HOWEspital for this
same same reason.
> and the other doesn't take the hint
You think she should leave subtle notes
sayin "BE NICE"?
> and back off then separate
You mean like when they're sparring fighting
dogs or training attack dogs.
> and reassess.
It makes them MOORE aggressive.
> You won't really know what they're doing,
Perhaps you should change medication?
> why and if it'll end
You mean you don't know if dogs can be trained.
> until you allow them to do it...
You mean rely on SHEER LUCK.
> but supervise them closely
THAT'S HOWE COME they're AFRAID.
> and don't be too quick to jump in and interrupt.
THAT'S HOWE COME THEY FIGHT.
YOU TEACH THEM TO!
> Dogs have a habit of making alot of ferocious
> noise and gestures when they're not actually
> acting on them.
Like when you JUMP IN and INTERRUPT.
> Its common for me to see bared teeth,
INDEEDY.
THAT'S HOWE COME you got no doGgamened
BUSINESS posting here you freakin MENTAL CASE.
> hackles raised & some truly scary snarling
> taking place between two dogs who are
> feeling each other out.
You stand bye with the hose ready.
> As long as they're not latching onto each other
> and physically trying to harm each other then I
> let them be.
You're a MENTAL CASE.
Your dogs CANNOT TRUST YOU to PROTECT THEM.
THAT'S HOWE COME THE DOGS FEAR EACH OTHER.
> The spot you describe on Kandy's tail sounds
> like a medical condition that needs to be checked
> out.
It's SELF MUTILATION.
She can EXXXTINGUISH the HABIT NEARLY
INSTANTLY using BRIEF VARIABLY ALTERNATING
S-HOWEND distractions INSTANTLY followed
PROLONGED SINCERE EXXXUBERANT PRAISE
and PRAISE IN ADVANCE.
> Its probably may be a hotspot, an infection
> setting in, an allergic reaction but probably
> requires attention and possibly an ointment
> of some type.
What it NEEDS is for the dog not to chew
herself from being LOCKED IN A BOX and
INTIMIDATED.
> Having Elvis intentionally or accidentally nip
> her tail in this area will not be pleasant for
> Kandy
BWEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
That's SHEER IDIOCY.
Elvis shouldn't be NIPPIN NUTHIN.
> and may result in Kandy attacking Elvis for his actions.
SO, the PROBLEM is NIPPING?
> IME dogs with hotspots (using that term generically)
Unless the dog has a flea allergy it's probably
SELF MUTILATION from STRESS. Like paw
licking granulomas. SAME SAME. The vets
AMPUTATE toes for that PROBLEM. TRAININ
can EXXXTINGUISH it in a few days.
> are very particular about not wanting anyone
> or anything to touch the area affected
You mean your dogs FEAR YOU TOUCHING THEM.
> and from what I've gathered those
> kinds of ailments generally tend to
> be 24/7 burning, stinging spots that the
> dog can get no relief from.
THAT AIN'T HOWE COME YOUR DOG FEARS YOU.
HOWE COME you didn't just TRAIN her
not to chew herself like HOWE you trained
her not to chew the Xmas tree?:
"When I caught her chewing or licking on
the branches she got a loud NO and a
spray of Bitter Apple in the mouth."
> --
> Tara
THAT'S HOWE COME YOUR OWN DEAD
DOG Summer WENT INSANE, tara o. aka tee.
EZ To Prove?
HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,
<TOTE@ wrote in message
news:2p1n2bFfmju1U1@
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:59:31 -0400 LeeCharlesKelley
<kelleymethod@ whittled these words:
>
> > It's only when you have a system that is successful
> > with all dogs, all the time, under all circumstances,
> > and a theory that can be applied to all dogs equally,
> > no matter how different they are in terms of temperament,
> > that you have a real scientific basis for training.
Like The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method AS
REPORTED BY The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Students all over the
Whole Wild World REPORT RIGHT HERE.
You know, the WONS YOU CALL LIARS
and FORGERIES to defend your alleged
RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER
dogs as you PREFER.
> Too bad there is no such system.
You've got ALL the CASE HISTORY DATA
you need to SCIENTIFICALLY PROVE every
thing The Amazing Puppy Wizard and Lee
are tellin you but YOU CALL IT LIES on
accHOWENT of you're a lying dog abusing
mental case and coward.
> If there were, it would be easily proven
> by anyone who cared to promote it.
It's time for the dog training industry and
the universities who TEACH "behaviorists"
to DEFEND THEIR METHODS against 100%
NEAR INSTANT TOTAL SUCCESS as PROVEN
by the C-HOWENTLESS NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Student's REPORTS,
after they've "TRIED ALL OTHER METHODS
and FAILED".
"The thinking that got us into this mess
will be insufficient to get us out of it."
--Albert Einstein
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marshall Dermer"
> <dermer@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> To: "The Puppy Wizard"
> <ThePuppyWizard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
>
> Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
>
> Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
>
> I have, of late, come to recognize your
> genius and now must applaud your attempts
> to save animals from painful training
> procedures.
>
> You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional
> talent, who tirelessly devotes his days to
> crafting posts to alert the world to animal
> abuse.
>
> We are lucky to have you, and more people
> should come to their senses and support
> your valuable work.
>
> Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
> charity to fund your important work?
>
> Have you thought about holding a press
> conference so others can learn of your
> highly worthwhile and significant work?
>
> In closing, my only suggestion is that you
> try to keep your messages short for most
> readers may refuse to read a long message
> even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy
> Wizard.
>
> I wish you well in your endeavors.
>
> --Marshall Dermer
> Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/
> Behavior Analysis Specialty/Department
> of Psychology/University of Wisconsin-
> Milwaukee/Milwaukee,WI 53201
> dermer@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
> --------------------------------------
> As stated, it would be easily proven by
> applying a standard set of criteria
HOWE abHOWET 100% NEARLY INSTANT
REHABILITATION of ALL behavior problems
in ALL dogs ALL OVER the Whole Wild World?
> and evaluating the degree to which
> the criteria is met.
HOWE abHOWET 100% TOTAL NON
PHYSICAL CON-TROLL AS REPORTED
by those 100% NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual Students
all over the Whole Wild World.
You know, the WONS YOU CALL LIARS
and FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy
Wizard to MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A LIAR
and DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE.
REMEMBER?
> The nice thing is that the standard set of criteria
> already exists in a multitude of forms when it comes
> to evaluating the success of any system in accomplishing
> a particular behavior by a dog.
HOWE abHOWET 100% NEARLY INSTANT TOTAL
NON PHYSICAL CON-TROLL? Will you ACCEPT THAT?
> And once proved would be quickly embraced
> by those for whom success is the prevaling goal.
UNLESS it DISCREDITS and PROVES YOU
to be a LIAR and DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE.
They you'll just repeat the same lies and believe
them yourself on accHOWENT of THAT'S your
HUMAN NATURE, Master Of Deception blankman,
the NATURE of a liar and dog abusing coward.
And THAT'S HOWE COME you're a MENTAL CASE.
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME is the perfect
synergy of love, pride, desire, self will, greed,
ego, fear, hate, arrogance, disbelief, jealousy,
embarrassment, embellishment, shame, guilt,
anger, aversion, attraction, revulsion, change,
permanence, enlightenment, insult, attrition,
and conditioning.
It's the perfect fusion of The Word...,
in the physical.
> > Dominance trainers believe their system is valid.
They MURDER their BEST dogs.
> > Positive reinforcement trainers believe THEIRS is.
NO. You mean BRIBERY trainers. You cannot
physically train a dog to naturally want to do
EVERY THING you ask. Food bribes lower's
the dog's appreciation for WORKING with his
people.
> > And in the past few years some trainers,
> > instead of looking for an underlying theory
> > that works with all dogs, have begun using
> > a "combined" approach,
You mean a BALANCED trainer. See The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's Post "BALANCED
TRAINERS."
> > taking a little bit from both camps as a way
> > of accounting for individual differences in dogs.
IOW, they're NOT GETTIN 100% CONSISTENTLY
RELIABLE NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS. That's
on accHOWENT of you CANNOT BRIBE or INTIMIDATE
a dog to naturally WANT to do as you LIKE.
> > The theory behind Natural Dog Training already
> > takes these differences into account, and it
> > always works, with all dogs.*
As does The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method.
> Belief is nice,
You CANNOT DENY the CASE HISTORY DATA
in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives on Google.
> but why rely soley on belief when the ability to
> demonstrate the point is so readily available?
It's been DONE. You call the DATA LIES
on accHOWENT of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard has PROVEN you to be a dog
abusing PSYCHOPATH.
> If a person's training theory is that any dog is
> equally trainable for the same behavior
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End dog Training Method Manual Students have
BEEN PROVING THAT for FIVE YEARS, ever
sincy YOUR FORMER PAL Robert Crim MURDERED
HIS DEAD DOG Fritz and LEARNED THE HARD WAY
that you're a lying dog abusing MENTAL CASE:
The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ decent people
do not post here abHOWETS. There are few, if
any, EXXXCEPTIONS to The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's rules of behaviorISM.
Robert Crim was The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
foremost antagonist and first R.P.D.B. former
Gang Of Thugs Member, in fact, R.P.D.B.'s most
enterTraining and highly respected dog abuser,
to realize he murdered his best friend Fritz The
Wonder Dog only on acc-HOWENT of he was
misled by the CONspiracy to defend hurting and
murdering dogs in typical, timeless rpdb fashion
by the lying dog abusing punk thug cowards and
active long term incurable mental cases led by
professor marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
'NO!' into its face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes CON-templation" dermer of the
Department of ANAL-ytic BehaviorISM at UofWI
and his second in cyberspace command Master
Of Deception blankman of dogplay.CON and the
rabid "dogman" aka joey finnochiario aka jackass
morrison aka tommy soronson of soronson's
Retriever Puppy Mill and sindy SADIST mooreon,
author of HOWER FAQ's pages at K-9web.CON
assisted by the coward ed w of PETLOSS.COIN,
and posted this and never returned:
<"Terri"@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin
for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile
crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really
care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> admit to buying and having success with his little black
> box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I
get to listen to the box first?)
Hello People,
Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.
> then there are venues for demonstrating the
> validity of that belief.
Yeah. HOWE abHOWET in criminal court
on animal abuse charges:
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but w e'vecomealongwaysincethen.Shetrusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>
> After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
> Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
> is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
> keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
> up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
> and the vet agrees.
>
> --Lia
"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"
THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.
> The criteria for performance are easily determined.
You can't post here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE.
> Read the rules forthe CD and CDX.
BWEEEEAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
> Obtain a dog who needs to become adoptable
> to survive. Commit to a prediction as the the
> amount of time both result in an adoptable dog
> and to get qualifying scores at both levels (CD,
> CDX). Apply training to the dog. Then prove the
> validity of the claim by meeting the challenge.
YOU'RE INSANE.
> I wouldn't expect a person who was not focussed
> on competition to get high scores because there
> is more than just dog training involved.
YOU'RE FULL OF CRAP.
Your own posting history of jerking and choking
your dog on your pronged spiked pinch choke
collar with custom knitted cover up and shocking
an lying abHOWET it will prove you're a MENTAL
CASE.
> Nonetheless proof of the effectiveness of a
> training system *in comparision to others* is
> easily accomplished by participating in any of
> the available systems of competition in which
> there is an established criteria for performance.
Here's a other DEAD DOG YOU MURDERED:
"misty" <Momisty@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message news:
16990-3CAB1F8C-1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how
you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my
using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not
wanting to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping
my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
=====================
misty" <Momisty@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
> dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
>
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
> back in the yard and would run for days.
>
>The last time, Peach didn't
> come back home.
>
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
> my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day
> reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.
>
> She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
> chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around
> the yard.
>
> I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
> e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
> then you need to train your dog.
>
> I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in
> our yard again.
>
> The price was too high:-( ~misty
=====================
> One assumes that (whether from caring about
> the future of dogs, or from mere ego) if one has
> an effective training system, and if wide-spread
> implementation of that system can save lives and
> heart-ache, then taking steps to demonstrate that
> effectiveness would be readily embraced.
Yeah, WON might THINK.
UNLESS of curse your own career and reputation
was GUARANTEED to go DHOWEN the crapHOWES.
> So my question is this: Why fail to take advantage
> of the single most persuasive means of proving training
> method effectiveness?
Date: 2003-07-13 18:23:18 PST
HOWEDY Linda,
"Linda" <llindaleedaniel@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> > "Susan Reardon" <susan.reardon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> > message
> > news:cabcf12f.0305300321.22a54ebb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > What is wrong with this guy Jerry Howe? The "Puppy
> > > Wizard"? Why must he reply to every single thread in all
> > > of the doggie newsgroups??? He scares me! Are his
> > > training methods really proven? Why is he so rude
> > > to everyone?
>
> "rosyjazz" <rosyjazz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>...
:
> > He has been around FOREVER.
Only FEELS like that.
> > He is a true jerk who doesnt know ANYTHING about dogs.
INDEED. You'd think he'da learned SUMPTHIN in forty years
specializing in temperament and behavior problems in mostly
giant breed dogs and protection training.
> > I think he is a sad and lonely person whom has a lot of
> > time on his hands.
True enough. But it's YOU who makes The Puppy
Wizard and all the dogs in the world, sad.
> Interesting comment--have you met Jerry?
Only here on The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Forum.
> I know from working with Jerry that he understands and
> can communicate with dogs as well as teaching others to
> communicate with their dog.
EZ, FAST, and FOR FREE.
> > DO NOT use any of his methods,
RIGHT. That's the fastest way to get into trouble. You
got to use ALL of it and follow the methods exactly to
get 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL, NEARLY
INSTANTLY.
> > they are all wrong.
Because NOBODY IN THE Whole Wild World gets the
kind of NEAR INSTANT SUCCESS The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students get.
> > He also doesnt know a thing about dog breeds
A dog is a dog.
> > and behavior.
ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS IN ANIMALS AND
CHILDREN ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> Have you tried his methods???
HOWER DOG LOVERS SEE NO METHOD cause
there ain't not PAIN FEAR FORCE BRIBES and
INTIMIDATION, there.
> If his methods are all "wrong"> wonder how they
> work so well for so many people and their dogs
> like me and my dog?/?
Oh, that's EZ, Professora Daniel. That's DRIVING
THEM STARK RAVIN INSANE. They're suffering
from mass hysteria right nHOWE.
It's all part of gettin JERRYIZED. It's the same same
results they get with their force training methods.
> > I just wish we could get him banned for good.
Yeah, you an everybody else who LIKES to HURT
and KILL HOWER BEST DOGS.
> > He gives out really bad advise.
Yeah... not to HURT or FORCE or BRIBE or INTIMIDATE
your dogs and kids and spHOWEses and you'll get 100T%
TOTAL CONTROL. But you can't even say "NO!," cause
THAT'S the DEAL BREAKER.
NO FORCE.
And you win everything you want.
> His advice saved my dog-
Perhaps it was a FLUKE.
> -turned him from a fear aggressive out of control
> dangerous dog into a dog that is a joy to be with-
Well Professora Daniel, The Puppy Wizard sez you're
intentionally understating Sunshine's ability to naturally
want to do every thing you ask.
> -this was after 70 some hours of various types of dog
> training that only made him worse and me poorer!
>
> > Rosy, Founder/Director
> > Small Breed Dogs Rescue
> > http://www.smallbreeddogs.org
Right... You worked with dra mcconnell in person too, didn't
you, Professora Daniel. All that work and all them books you
read didn't help at all, and in fact, was responsible for
Sunshine developing a couple NEW disorders, like his light
chasing OCD that got you bit while changing a CD in your
puter.
Sunshine is ready to do therapy work any time you want
to get sarted, Professora Daniel. Here's Jerome and his
two therapy dogs, his first WON came from a dog club
member cause she couln't get her calm enough to do
that work.
> It is really simple.
INDEEDY.
> Walk the walk.
THAT'S HOWE COME YOU CAN'T
POST HERE abHOWETS noMOORE.
> All this talk, and all this theory is completly
> meaningless if it can't be objectively evaluated.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.
> > *Unless there's an underlying physiological
> > cause of a behavioral problem. And sometimes
> > even then.
ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."
"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer, discoverer of cannibalism
in Labradors.
> Well there are always good reasons for failure.
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?
"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."
The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...
All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.
> Diane Blackman
> http://dog-play.com/
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."
You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"
Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.
"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"
You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?
"Rocky" <2dogs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:
"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
attributes to me.
I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,
I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.
amy lying frosty dahl continues:
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"
BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...
"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.
"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
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