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Calum

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Since: Sep 18, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:19 am
Post subject: Wing clipping & discipline
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I'm new to this group, and this topic must come up a lot, so I'm sorry
for bringing it up again.

I have a 4 month old Blue-Front. He's generally adorable, and is
bonding well, but sometimes he doesn't know who's boss. We are in the
early stages of training. He likes to land on heads, which I heard is
to be discouraged, and he also lands on shoulders without permission.
And he also likes to perch on doors (being much higher than us, which
might give him a sense of superiority), and sometimes fly low overhead,
perhaps marking out his territory.

I'm not sure what should be regarded as "normal", and what behaviour
could eventually lead to problems. Given that the bird is flighted,
should I, and if so how, discourage him from flying to heads and doors?
He's a bit selective when it comes to commands like "no" and "off
there", and I'm not sure if he even understands them yet.

I've heard mixed opinions about wing clipping. It would certainly solve
all of our discipline problems, or is that considered too unkind and
lazy on our part?

Calum Grant

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Mark Strassburger

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:31 pm
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Most of the "experts" will agree that wing clipping is not only a training
technique but also a good safety measure. Birds flying around indoors can
easily fly into a closed (or open) window and either injure themselves or
even escape. Ceiling fans is another thing that can mame or kill flying
birds. Clipping feathers that have grown out completely is a painless
procedure - much like clipping our fingernails. Birds do not have any
feeling in their feathers, but if you cut a feather that is in the process
of growing (known as a "blood" feather") you can have a potential problem on
your hands. When clipping the wing only clip the outer flight feathers at
the very end of the wing (normally about three or four feathers). These are
the feathers that give birds the ability to gain altitude when flying.
Without them birds can still fly but will normally fly to the floor and not
very far at all, unless something suddenly scares them. Be VERY careful
when taking a clipped bird outdoors. Most people think that since their
bird is unable to fly indoors with clipped wings that they will be unable to
fly outdoors - NOT TRUE. A gust of wind can easily allow a bird to fly off
even with clipped wings.

Mark

"Calum" <calum.bulk DeleteThis @ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:bkc0rv$vkd$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> I'm new to this group, and this topic must come up a lot, so I'm sorry
> for bringing it up again.
>
> I have a 4 month old Blue-Front. He's generally adorable, and is
> bonding well, but sometimes he doesn't know who's boss. We are in the
> early stages of training. He likes to land on heads, which I heard is
> to be discouraged, and he also lands on shoulders without permission.
> And he also likes to perch on doors (being much higher than us, which
> might give him a sense of superiority), and sometimes fly low overhead,
> perhaps marking out his territory.
>
> I'm not sure what should be regarded as "normal", and what behaviour
> could eventually lead to problems. Given that the bird is flighted,
> should I, and if so how, discourage him from flying to heads and doors?
> He's a bit selective when it comes to commands like "no" and "off
> there", and I'm not sure if he even understands them yet.
>
> I've heard mixed opinions about wing clipping. It would certainly solve
> all of our discipline problems, or is that considered too unkind and
> lazy on our part?
>
> Calum Grant
>

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Mark Strassburger

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:48 pm
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> but sometimes he doesn't know who's boss.

Sorry to post again so soon, but after reading the post one more time, this
phrase jumped out at me. As parrot owners we must first and foremost
understand that no matter how much we want to be in control at all times,
parrots are NOT like dogs. They cannot be controlled or disciplined. We
can try to alter behaviors, but do not always thnk that we have the ability
to be in control over them. We must learn to understand their behaviors and
body language and always realize that they are often the ones who control
US. It's when we begin to think that we have power to control their actions
that birds become agressive and untameable. It is only with love and lots
of PATIENCE that we can learn to live with these exotic creatures - and they
with us.

Mark
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Calum

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:33 pm
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Mark Strassburger wrote:
>>but sometimes he doesn't know who's boss.
>
> Sorry to post again so soon, but after reading the post one more time, this
> phrase jumped out at me. As parrot owners we must first and foremost
> understand that no matter how much we want to be in control at all times,
> parrots are NOT like dogs. They cannot be controlled or disciplined. We
> can try to alter behaviors, but do not always thnk that we have the ability
> to be in control over them. We must learn to understand their behaviors and
> body language and always realize that they are often the ones who control
> US. It's when we begin to think that we have power to control their actions
> that birds become agressive and untameable. It is only with love and lots
> of PATIENCE that we can learn to live with these exotic creatures - and they
> with us.

Reading Bonie Monroe gives me the impression that I can become "alpha
parrot", and that Olly (my blue-front) will then obey my every command.
But then she also clips her birds, so I guess they don't have much
option. Thank you all for those pointers.

What I've learned from experience is that imposing my will on a parrot
just isn't going to happen. But he is very loving and generally
cooperative, so I guess I would rather he was his own bird, flighted,
than a cripple who obeys me and sits on me because he didn't have a
choice, and has a reliance on me just to move. I won't clip him just
yet, though I might reassess that if he gets hormonal in a few years time.

He does bash into things occasionaly, and has hit a window once or
twice. Will he learn not to try to fly through glass, or is there a
serious risk of a broken neck if he gets startled and hits a window at
full speed? Maybe I WOULD be kind to him if he can't hurt himself?

Calum
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